riot gear, ready to arrest the environmentalists. OK, > alot of the

 environmentalists are the granola type,  but the cops has > gas masks on their

 belts, batons in hands, and face shields. What the > hell are we fighting for.

> I thought this stuff went out in the 60s. It's 10:00 pm. Do you

> know what the fuck your government is doing?

***

Perhaps we were just practice'n. The gun battles between police and drug

dealers in inner cities across Amerika is war! It is people fighting for

their right to participate in the economy as it allows them; deals them

that little piece of turf no one wants; and then turns to wage war

against them for trying to work at the only job it allows or gives up

that can pay all the bills, buy all hierarchical needs--because rich-ass

folks like this Mr. Hurwitz (Maxxam corporation/Pacific Lumber) feels

selling drugs means something not right and has the power enough to

force his will failing to comprehend a larger picture! --never knew

Bigger Thomas or even heard of him!

***

What will folks do when they seize their grandparents' house for failure

to pay property tax payments five times higher than their monthly

mortgage payment back when they still made 'em? They had too much pride

to say anything until its too late. How far will folks go to prevent

that seizure? --to prevent the system from disallowing those old hard

work'n folks to participate in the system at the simple level of

remaining in a quaint house they worked and sweat  years and years to

own and live in during just these years????

***

Examples exist everywhere when we look! Yet most worry most about what

product acquisition they'll make next; what mind massage will they watch

next; what next, pop corn or chips?

***

If the environmentalists numbered 5,000, how many riot gear-equipped

cops would show up? National guard? Who in the armed services will join

which side?

***

Don't think the revolution awaits in the future. It rages daily in the

streets. Millions of folks do not get a chance to participate

economically and they fight gun battles over territory with one another

and the system. And if you can't eat the 2000 year old tree, it assumes

less priority to the millions who do not eat routinely. They fight for

food--for the right to eat! Or to work to earn enough dollars to eat!

All priority levels exist intertwined confusing the overall perspective

provided you see it through the NBC or ABC or CBS or CNN nightly portal

presentation like most do!

***

The grandparents hate the inner city war, the drug dealers, drug users,

the police, and the damn hippies in the forest. The drug dealers can't

trust anyone. The poor see the steaks in the grocery window and smell

the BBQ cook'n. All the rest through their Ottica Meloni's see succulent

nipples protruding from her Gianni Versace dress, or speculate about the

size of his Dockers Kakki dick, hidden . . .

***

I know what most of the cops are doing, thinking about their next

product acquisition like all the rest . . . pop corn or chips

***

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:02:20 -0400

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From:         John J Dorfner <Jjdorfner@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Kerouac in Rocky Mount, NC

 

i'm working on a home page for both, Lowell and Rocky Mount.  each will have

a bunch of photographs and text.  for right now thou...one can go to

http://members.aol.com/KerouacNC.index.html

and read about Kerouac's life and times in Rocky Mount, North Carolina.

enjoy.

 

john j dorfner

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:13:31 +0530

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      36th anniversary on terra firma

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Full Moon tonight

and anniversary of my birth

36 years

give or take a century

someone asks me

"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"

tough question you know

hear it

every year

every year someone's gonna ask

do you you feeeeeel older and

kind of like when asked

how do you feeeeeel

everyday

on street corners from

this person or that person

that don't

wait for the answer

cuz they didn't even realize

that they'd

asked the question

and so

the answer is

yes

i feel a distinct

impression

that i'm about

a day older

give or take

and wonder about the

correspondence of

birthday and full moon

and

certain wonderful Lunacy

somewhere in

the universe today.

 

[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing

George Clinton]

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:26:44 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      bardo

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Saturday September 20

Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition.  Approximately 49 days after

death.

 images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.

p

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:53:52 +0530

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: bardo

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Patricia Elliott wrote:

> 

> Saturday September 20

> Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition.  Approximately 49 days after

> death.

>  images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.

> p

 

I'll be in Disembodied errand to Denver/Evergreen/Boulder/Aurora so burn

a few for me....

        I'm visiting the Bardo before and after and will be certain to sweep

the floor

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:28:46 EDT

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      rights & permissions

 

I doubt that any author is ever consulted when Cliff or Monarch notes

decides to publish a volume on his or her work.  These are critical

works that include paraphrase and biographical and critical commentary.

Rights and permissions aren't necessary.

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:27:15 -0400

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From:         Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Re: bardo

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Patricia Elliott wrote:

 

> Saturday September 20

> Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition.  Approximately 49 days after

> death.

>  images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.

> p

> 

What is this about? What's being burned? And why? Please explain.

 

Neil

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:16:34 -0500

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From:         Feng Yan <xbchen@SUN.NANKAI.EDU.CN>

Subject:      MoonFestival

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Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows

to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?

Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.

A special day, families are long for getting together,

travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon

as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.

A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.

 

Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze

last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy

and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused

if you wanta take a ride to Moon.

 

JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"

from Gothenburg to Cheyenne

under cold shining star

he bought boys on the truck whisky

"You can have a couple of shots!", boy

 

Now,in warm moonlight

folks on the list

would receive the old Chinese feeling

and a piece of mooncake

digitally

 

Ciao

 

Yan

We share the Moon.

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:24:07 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      bardo

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neal which part didn't you understand,

how should i elaborate, which direction

 

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From:         MATT HANNAN <MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG>

Subject:      Re[2]: knowing the lingo (was: A funny thing happened...)

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     Goa is a region in India.  It was a very popular destination for

     hippies in the late 60s and early 70s and had a huge drug scene.  I've

     read one book on the subject, Goa Freaks, by a woman with the first

     name of Cleo but her last name escapes me now (scary, because I own

     the book)...just wondering if anyone on the list has ever been there.

     There's possibly some Beat tie in (Ginsberg?) but I don't want to tie

     the list up with too much discussion of it.

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt h.

        mhannan@usoc.org

 

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Subject: Re: knowing the lingo (was: A funny thing happened...)

Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    9/15/97 4:15 PM

 

 

At 04:57 PM 9/15/97 -0400, you wrote:

 

>     While I'm on the subject, did anyone on the list ever travel to Goa?

>     I'd like to chat with you backchannel if you did.

 

What is Goa?

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Date:         Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:33:20 -0700

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From:         Diane Carter <dcarter@TOGETHER.NET>

Subject:      Re: bardo

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Patricia Elliott wrote:

> 

> Image, picture

> object, thing,

> death, travel

> 49 days, time

> buddist, seeing

> burning, energy tranferance

> neal which part didn't you understand,

> how should i elaborate, which direction

> 

>     ---------------------------------------------------------------Patricia,

 

My question is what does it symbolize or do?  Does it have something to

do with the journey of the soul?  And does this burning of possessions

give energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be

in now after death?

DC

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:26:59 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: kerouac on william f. buckley? -Reply

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At 01:36 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:

> 

>> Hi Derek,

>> 

>> Some of the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to

>> Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner.  The blurbs used in this

>> doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though.  Sorry,

>> I can't help you with locating a transcript.

>> 

>> -mark nigon

>> 

>> mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com

>> 

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> 

>> >>> "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97

>> 04:47pm >>>

>> does anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even better)

>> of kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i would

>> really appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious

>> abt

>> kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as

>> his comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A

>> LOT abt this particular interview and would like to check it out myself)

>> THANKS ya'll

>> yrs

>> derek

>> 

>Mark, Derek and others,

> 

>I am also interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some here?

>And your opinion?

> 

>Ciao

>Yan

> 

>We share the Moon.

> 

 

Yeah, happy moon festival, y'all.

 

I saw this movie a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show was

the one where Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot

Floogie with the Floy Floy.

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:34:07 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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At 07:13 AM 9/16/97 +0530, you wrote:

>Full Moon tonight

>and anniversary of my birth

>36 years

 

 

No way!!!!?????

 

 

It's my birthday too yeah.

 

Well my birthday's really in october but it the Chinese calender it's my

birthday.

 

Same rat year too.

 

Amazing.

 

I thought this made me the Moon King but maybe you are also the Moon King.

 

Happy Birthday David.

 

 

>give or take a century

>someone asks me

>"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"

>tough question you know

>hear it

>every year

>every year someone's gonna ask

>do you you feeeeeel older and

>kind of like when asked

>how do you feeeeeel

>everyday

>on street corners from

>this person or that person

>that don't

>wait for the answer

>cuz they didn't even realize

>that they'd

>asked the question

>and so

>the answer is

>yes

>i feel a distinct

>impression

>that i'm about

>a day older

>give or take

>and wonder about the

>correspondence of

>birthday and full moon

>and

>certain wonderful Lunacy

>somewhere in

>the universe today.

> 

>[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing

>George Clinton]

> 

>david rhaesa

>salina, Kansas

> 

> 

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:42:45 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: MoonFestival

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My daughter and I were looking at the Moon Sunday night, a couple days

early.  It was hard to do because all the clouds covering it.  She's three

and as long as she's been able to talk we've been looking at the moon.

Sunday you could see the glow of the full moon spreading out through the

clouds but not the moon, until if you looked long enough a hole in the

clouds would pass by and the moon in all it's near full glory and brightness

would pop through.  "There's the moon".

 

And when it went back behind the cloud, "Moon gao gao?",  that's local baby

talk/english for "moon went to sleep?"  No, today the Moon is awake but it's

under the covers.

 

Today I hope there are no clouds to block your view, and if so I hope the

clouds are moth eaten and swlirling.

 

Don't think of Un Chien Andalou, but I couldn't help it later.

 

 

 

At 10:16 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows

>to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?

>Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.

>A special day, families are long for getting together,

>travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon

>as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.

>A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.

> 

>Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze

>last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy

>and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused

>if you wanta take a ride to Moon.

> 

>JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"

>from Gothenburg to Cheyenne

>under cold shining star

>he bought boys on the truck whisky

>"You can have a couple of shots!", boy

> 

>Now,in warm moonlight

>folks on the list

>would receive the old Chinese feeling

>and a piece of mooncake

>digitally

> 

>Ciao

> 

>Yan

>We share the Moon.

> 

> 

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:06:36 +0200

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From:         Dufour <dufour@ULISSE.IT>

Subject:      R: bardo

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Thanks Patricia for the great, intense photo of WSB and for your sharp,

direct poetry.

 

Ciao !

Francesco

 

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> Da: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

> A: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Oggetto: bardo

> Data: martedl 16 settembre 1997 16.24

> 

> Image, picture

> object, thing,

> death, travel

> 49 days, time

> buddist, seeing

> burning, energy tranferance

> neal which part didn't you understand,

> how should i elaborate, which direction

> 

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:42:51 -0500

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From:         Wes Lundburg <lundburg@TCPNETS.COM>

Subject:      Re: kerouac and cliff's notes.

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Richard...

 

Isn't this true of any works, both literary and musical?  I certainly agree

that jazz needs a comprehensive ear to fully appreciate it, and I'm all for

reading all of JK, not condensed versions.  But, the point you make here is

no different for any other work of art.  So, in short, ban all Cliff

Notes... even though they have the "surgeon general's warning" at the

front!  What author WOULD approve of their work being condensed?  I also

agree with whoever posted the bit about using cliff notes in her past...

there are some other helps in those cliffs notes besides the summary.

 

---Wes

 

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> From: Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Re: kerouac and cliff's notes.

> Date: Monday, September 15, 1997 6:54 PM

> 

> > >

> > If otr is taught, it is certainly cliff-noted, isn't it.  The only

> > way it wouldn't be is if the Kerouac estate said no, or is that

> > true?  Don't really know myself.

> >

> > Mike Rice

> >

> There is no doubt, none, in my mind, that if Kerouac had known of Cliff

> Notes when he was alive, he would have written specific instructions to

> never give permission for any of his works, except  *maybe* Town and the

> City, to be cliff noted.

> 

> Kerouac saw himself as a poet, literary jazz musician, and in jazz you

> dont distill notes, or attempt to explain jazz in anything less than the

> full form.  You cant explain a Charlie Parker record by only listening to

> a few notes.  Some things cant be explained that simply.

> 

> RJW

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:00:43 -0500

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From:         MARK NIGON <Mark_Nigon@CAMPBELL-MITHUN.COM>

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Hello all,

 

Well, what I remember is that Kerouac was drunk and seemed very bored or

irritated...Slumped in his chair...eyes closed while he

answered...smoking a cigar.  He said the Vietnam war was a conspiracy to

get jeeps into the country.  He explained that the Beat Generation

originally intended to be a movement of beatitude and piety but the

media used the words like "Beat Insurrection" and "Beat Mutiny" and the

movement was subsequently taken over by hoodlums.  He also said the

hippies were "good kids" who were following in the his (Kerouac's)

footsteps.  And your right Tim, Kerouac cracked himself up answereing a

Buckly question with the Slim Gaillard line.  That's what comes to mind

right off the bat.  I'll have to watch it again.

 

When I first saw it, I had read Kerouac and knew about the myth

surrounding his life, still, I couldn't help but see a man that had

given up long ago.  He seemed to be a shell of a man grasping for

answers but truly uninterested in everything.  Made me relook at Kerouac

the man.  That there is my opinion.

 

Good day.

 

mark

 

mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com

 

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>>> "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU> 09/16/97 10:26am >>>

At 01:36 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:

> 

>> Hi Derek,

>> 

>> Some of the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to

>> Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner.  The blurbs used in

this

>> doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though.

Sorry,

>> I can't help you with locating a transcript.

>> 

>> -mark nigon

>> 

>> mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com

>> 

>> 

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>> 

>> >>> "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97

>> 04:47pm >>>

>> does anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even

better)

>> of kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i

would

>> really appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious

>> abt

>> kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as

>> his comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A

>> LOT abt this particular interview and would like to check it out

myself)

>> THANKS ya'll

>> yrs

>> derek

>> 

>Mark, Derek and others,

> 

>I am also interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some

here?

>And your opinion?

> 

>Ciao

>Yan

> 

>We share the Moon.

> 

 

Yeah, happy moon festival, y'all.

 

I saw this movie a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show

was

the one where Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot

Floogie with the Floy Floy.

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:00:54 EDT

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Mime format

 

As most of you on the list have noticed, mime format and photographs do

not travel well on Beat-l.  It might be better to mount such files on a

web page and provide listmembers with the url so t hat they can download

them to their hard drives and read them with their browers.

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:55:53 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

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Diane Carter wrote:

> My question is what does it symbolize or do?  Does it have something to do

 with the journey of the soul?  And does this burning of possessions

> give energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be

> in now after death?

> DC

 

more information at clip information from

http://dove.mtx.net.au/~jrowse/dead/tibdead.html

 

     The Bardo Thodol, or Tibetan Book of the Dead, is an ancient

     text that was first put into written form by the legendary Padma

     Sambhava in the 8th century A.D. Translated, Bardo Thodol

     means "liberation by hearing on the after death plane". The book

     acts as a guide for the dead during the state that intervenes

     death and the next rebirth. This intermediate state is called the

     Bardo and lasts for forty nine days.

p

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:40:39 -0500

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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Happy Birthday David.

 

Tell me, Do you feel any older? (choke)

 

I just rolled over # 67 on 09-01--Labor Day and it aint stopped since.

 

Morrow sent The Herbert Hunche Reader. I'd never read anything by him.

Started last night and felt close to him. I've got the basics on-line at

BookZen at:

 

http://www.bookzen.com/books/068815266Xb.html.

 

His stories, so casual and positive, but self deprecating seem touch so

much.... But I've just started.

 

Please feel free to share any thoughts about Huncke with me--and that goes

for anyone on the List. Just type HUNCKE on the subject line.

 

Couple of thought about birthdays:

 

I've always found it interesting that some families really get into

celebrating birthdays for young and old alike while some only do so for

young children.  Those who celebrate--equal treatment to all--with

elaborate cooking, baking, gifts, etc. seemed to be a more close-knit--a

tighter family unit. Happier.

 

Over the past 60 years I've watched the birthday celebrations in my

extended family almost disappear. I'm first generation, so growing up the

immediate and extended family surrounding and supporting Gramma, were very

close.

 

To my great surprise, many years later, while in prison in the 60s (and

uncle was so pissed i was sent to the Federal joint at Leavenworth as a

first offender in a population where the average prisoner had five previous

incarcertions)  I found that the prisoners, and they were a tough lot, went

to great lengths to celebrate brithdays. Small gifts, handmade items,

smoke, books, etc. were given. Cards would arrive from the families of

fellow prisoners who had tipped off wives, mothers, friends.

 

The first time it happened to me caught me by surprise. I'd observed it,

but being so green--a "fish" in the venacular--I avoided much socialising,

didn't ask questions, didn't get into the endless I-can-top-that story

telling. As it turned out it was respected behavior. It was, "doing your

own time."

 

So birthdays, in a harsh, repressive, "time" oriented environment that was

completely alien to free-world home and family, seemed to provide an

opportunity for prisoners to become, briefly,  a "family."

 

Again, Happy Birthday David...and do you feel any................Argh.

 

j grant

 

 

 

 

 

                         Authors can display their books F R E E !

                                      http://www.bookzen.com

                                  22,000 visitors since July 1,'96

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:36:11 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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        =========================

        Happy birthday  to YOU!

        HAPPY   BIRTHDAY        DAVID!

 

 

 

        WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST.

 

        signers:

 

        Dr Ink

        in the name

        of

        REVERSE ENTROPY ENGINE Ltd.

 

        &

 

        Duracell

        in the name

        of

        THE TIME MACHINE Corporation

 

        &

 

        Rinaldo Rasa.

        ===========================

 

 

>Full Moon tonight

>and anniversary of my birth

>36 years

[...]

>david rhaesa

>salina, Kansas

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:46:33 -0400

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From:         John J Dorfner <Jjdorfner@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Kerouac in Rocky Mount

 

i typed in the wrong address

correct address <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/KerouacNC/index.html">Kerouac'

s Rocky Mount, N.C.</A>

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:57:52 -0500

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Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

> 

>         =========================

>         Happy birthday  to YOU!

>         HAPPY   BIRTHDAY        DAVID!

> 

>         WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST.

> 

>         signers:

> 

>         Dr Ink

>         in the name

>         of

>         REVERSE ENTROPY ENGINE Ltd.

> 

>         &

> 

>         Duracell

>         in the name

>         of

>         THE TIME MACHINE Corporation

> 

>         &

> 

>         Rinaldo Rasa.

>         ===========================

> 

> >Full Moon tonight

> >and anniversary of my birth

> >36 years

> [...]

> >david rhaesa

> >salina, Kansas

 

 

Virgos thrive

patricia 47  no 49 no 107  no 24  o forget, my dear one (BOB) and i

begun the same age, since we married sometime i am older sometimes he is

older, silly guy insists it stays the same.

9/8/48

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:08:18 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

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A couple other things I remember.  He also said the Beat movement was taken

over by hoodlums, but he also added communists as I recall.

 

And he made a statement: "I got a ticket the other day".

 

Buckley played the perfect straightman.  "A ticket? For what?"

 

"For decay".

 

It got laughs.

 

At 11:00 AM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello all,

> 

>Well, what I remember is that Kerouac was drunk and seemed very bored or

>irritated...Slumped in his chair...eyes closed while he

>answered...smoking a cigar.  He said the Vietnam war was a conspiracy to

>get jeeps into the country.  He explained that the Beat Generation

>originally intended to be a movement of beatitude and piety but the

>media used the words like "Beat Insurrection" and "Beat Mutiny" and the

>movement was subsequently taken over by hoodlums.  He also said the

>hippies were "good kids" who were following in the his (Kerouac's)

>footsteps.  And your right Tim, Kerouac cracked himself up answereing a

>Buckly question with the Slim Gaillard line.  That's what comes to mind

>right off the bat.  I'll have to watch it again.

> 

>When I first saw it, I had read Kerouac and knew about the myth

>surrounding his life, still, I couldn't help but see a man that had

>given up long ago.  He seemed to be a shell of a man grasping for

>answers but truly uninterested in everything.  Made me relook at Kerouac

>the man.  That there is my opinion.

> 

>Good day.

> 

>mark

> 

>mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com

> 

>----------------------------------------------------------------------

> 

>>>> "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU> 09/16/97 10:26am >>>

>At 01:36 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, MARK NIGON wrote:

>> 

>>> Hi Derek,

>>> 

>>> Some of the interview is used in the documentary "What Happened to

>>> Kerouc" by Lewis MacAdams and Richard Lerner.  The blurbs used in

>this

>>> doumentary will answer the questions you've asked about though.

>Sorry,

>>> I can't help you with locating a transcript.

>>> 

>>> -mark nigon

>>> 

>>> mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com

>>> 

>>> 

>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>> 

>>> >>> "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA> 09/15/97

>>> 04:47pm >>>

>>> does anyone out there have a copy (VHS) or a transcription (even

>better)

>>> of kerouac's appearance on william f. buckley's "firing line"? i

>would

>>> really appreciate any help you all might be able to provide. (curious

>>> abt

>>> kerouac's comments concerning links b/t beats and hippies as well as

>>> his comments abt ginsberg and gays, etc - and ive heard A

>>> LOT abt this particular interview and would like to check it out

>myself)

>>> THANKS ya'll

>>> yrs

>>> derek

>>> 

>>Mark, Derek and others,

>> 

>>I am also interested in Kerouac's comments. Anyone could post some

>here?

>>And your opinion?

>> 

>>Ciao

>>Yan

>> 

>>We share the Moon.

>> 

> 

>Yeah, happy moon festival, y'all.

> 

>I saw this movie a long time ago and I remember that this Buckly show

>was

>the one where Kerouac stood up and sang the Slim Gaillard line Flat Foot

>Floogie with the Floy Floy.

> 

> 

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:13:43 +0200

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From:         Dufour <dufour@ULISSE.IT>

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Happy birthday David !!!

 

Ciao !

Francesco

 

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> Da: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

> A: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Oggetto: 36th anniversary on terra firma

> Data: martedl 16 settembre 1997 3.43

> 

> Full Moon tonight

> ...in

> the universe today.

> 

> [Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing

> George Clinton]

> 

> david rhaesa

> salina, Kansas

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:28:47 -0400

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From:         "William N. Gay" <wgay@ZOO.UVM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: R: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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     All this talk about birthdays and the moon is great. I woke up this

a.m. with the full moon shining in the window. There was a cool breeze

blowing in, and for a moment I thought I was in the backseat of this '66

Galaxie 500 I used to have years ago (and often slept in). I must have had

a similar experience awakening to the moon back in my early twenties, as

the experience was familiar and quite pleasant.

     Happy birthday, David, and all other Virgos on this list. Mine was

8/29, same as Bird's.

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:42:15 +0200

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From:         Jens Koch <jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK>

Subject:      Re: Hypertext notes (& re: kerouac and cliff's notes)

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From:  Wes Lundburg [SMTP:lundburg@TCPNETS.COM]

Sent:  16. september 1997 17:43

To:  BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:  Hypertext notes (& re: kerouac and cliff's notes)

 

As a teacher I am supposed to be against Monarch, York, Coles Notes - =

and I am - but at the same time, if the reader would never otherwise =

have bothered to read the original, it can't be all bad. Now most of =

those of my students who don't read what they're supposed to might never =

get around to read the original if they passed the first chance by - but =

there's always a chance that the Notes edition might tempt them to go =

looking for the original - and that must be good !

As a student I was grateful for the "help" in the Notes, and well did I =

know that it wasn't the real thing.

And what about the notes offered in hypertext ? For instance the =

hypertext used for Dharma Bums in the CDROMnibus. I thought it was =

brilliant ! Reading a CD_ROM is never going to happen, it's too much of =

a strain on my eyes. I prefer the book version, and I always will. But =

studying the hypertext notes bit by bit every once in a while gave me =

tremendous enjoyment - and taught me something about things I had never =

given thought to before.

So much so, in fact, that I have started a project on hypertext using =

the Beats as a starting point. This project, which will be located at =

(http://www.systime.dk/fagbank/engelsk/beatgen/beatgen.htm) ,=20

is not online yet, but it should be in a couple of days time (it's out =

of my hands, unfortunately). I've probably been inspired by each and =

everyone who has contributed to BEAT-L since May when I joined the list, =

so if you feel like stopping by on "The Danish Pathway to the Beat =

Generation - An Educational Site" you'd be welcome - as will your =

comments, even if you should choose to crucify me for turning hypertext =

into the Monarch Notes of Cyberspace. Comments are welcomed at:

beat@systime.dk (which is the address of the site) or

jenskoch@post1.tele.dk=20

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:25:06 +0200

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From:         Jens Koch <jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK>

Subject:      I  HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!

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I honestly don't know what happened when my post on hypertext etc. came =

to be posted as a letter from you, Wes. As this post was intended to =

invite people to go to our Danish site (in a couple of days time) this =

is quite ridiculous - if a little comical. I sincerely hope it doesn't =

bother you!=20

 

jenskoch@post1.tele.dk

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:15:12 -0400

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From:         Michael Czarnecki <peent@SERVTECH.COM>

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>Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows

>to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?

>Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.

>A special day, families are long for getting together,

>travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon

>as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.

>A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.

> 

>Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze

>last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy

>and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused

>if you wanta take a ride to Moon.

> 

>JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"

>from Gothenburg to Cheyenne

>under cold shining star

>he bought boys on the truck whisky

>"You can have a couple of shots!", boy

> 

>Now,in warm moonlight

>folks on the list

>would receive the old Chinese feeling

>and a piece of mooncake

>digitally

> 

>Ciao

> 

>Yan

>We share the Moon.

 

And just before reading this post I was saying that the moon is full

tonight and I will gather some wood for a fire as our friends come up to

gather in the next few hours. We look east across the distant ridge to

watch for the moon from this 2,000' hilltop in upstate New York. We will be

looking east from Wheeler Hill and I will think of you, Yan, as the moon

sends its first light over the ridge.

 

Michael

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From:         "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

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hey there?

i was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or

mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is

doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of

prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that

you folks would recommend.

(aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist

?? haha.)

thanks a HUGE bundle

yrs

derek

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:56:14 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: MoonFestival

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mike, when you have the time, please drop a line to me at country@sover.net

enjoy yr moon. i will be on a hilltop over our 'cold hollow' town of

montpelier. every night this week i have been walking in the clouds that

shroud the hills, up from the clarity of the hollow, feeling like i am walking

on clouds. tonight is clear. will think of you and your celebration.

mc

 

Michael Czarnecki wrote:

 

> >Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows

> >to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?

> >Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.

> >A special day, families are long for getting together,

> >travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon

> >as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.

> >A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.

> >

> >Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze

> >last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy

> >and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused

> >if you wanta take a ride to Moon.

> >

> >JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"

> >from Gothenburg to Cheyenne

> >under cold shining star

> >he bought boys on the truck whisky

> >"You can have a couple of shots!", boy

> >

> >Now,in warm moonlight

> >folks on the list

> >would receive the old Chinese feeling

> >and a piece of mooncake

> >digitally

> >

> >Ciao

> >

> >Yan

> >We share the Moon.

> 

> And just before reading this post I was saying that the moon is full

> tonight and I will gather some wood for a fire as our friends come up to

> gather in the next few hours. We look east across the distant ridge to

> watch for the moon from this 2,000' hilltop in upstate New York. We will be

> looking east from Wheeler Hill and I will think of you, Yan, as the moon

> sends its first light over the ridge.

> 

> Michael

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     Sorry to post this to the list but I can't get return addresses from

     my program (plus it's good info to all):

 

     to find a particular listerv send the command

 

     list global XXXXXXXX   (Where XXXXXXX is a key word)

 

     to the address:

 

     listserv@listserv.net

 

        this won't give you every list in existence, but it'll come close

 

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________

Subject: romantic lit. / shelley&wollstonecraft listserv?

Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    9/16/97 2:12 PM

 

 

hey there?

i was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or

mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is

doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of

prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that

you folks would recommend.

(aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist

?? haha.)

thanks a HUGE bundle

yrs

derek

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:35:32 +0530

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: bardo

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Patricia Elliott wrote:

> 

> Diane Carter wrote:

> > My question is what does it symbolize or do?  Does it have something to do

>  with the journey of the soul?  And does this burning of possessions

> > give energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be

> > in now after death?

> > DC

> 

> more information at clip information from

> http://dove.mtx.net.au/~jrowse/dead/tibdead.html

> 

>      The Bardo Thodol, or Tibetan Book of the Dead, is an ancient

>      text that was first put into written form by the legendary Padma

>      Sambhava in the 8th century A.D. Translated, Bardo Thodol

>      means "liberation by hearing on the after death plane". The book

>      acts as a guide for the dead during the state that intervenes

>      death and the next rebirth. This intermediate state is called the

>      Bardo and lasts for forty nine days.

> p

 

this is so funny.  guess we were just a bit ahead of schedule.  Rod came

down on surprise to visit me for pre-birthday weekend.  One of the many

things we did was play Timothy Leary's cd taking "Ralph" through the

Bardo chakras on one boom box while playing clips from many of William's

cds on another.  Highly recommend "But I'm dying, no you're not" during

the FreakOut section on the 4th Chakra.  Much of Breakthrough in the

GreyRoom "shift coordinate points" "mr. martin" "how random is random"

"you can only call the old doctor once" "brings down his blue hands to

quiet the Marks" fit along very well during the Descent into Heaven as

well.  Rod left me on loan with a bit of audio fun.  Right now i have

Junkie, Breakthrough in the Grey Room, Call Me Burroughs, Elvis of

Lettres, Dead City Radio, Priest They Called Him, Spare Ass Annie, and

Seven Souls zooming in and out of my boombox.  I might have another one

or two i forgot to mention!

 

have fun.

 

dbr

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From:         Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: bardo

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Then there's always the quote from an early David Bowie song

(Quicksand from Hunky Dory):

 

   "If I don't explain what you want to know

    You can tell me all about it on the next bardo"

 

I always wanted to use that as a .sig quote, but I

figured I'd have to spend a lot of time explaining

what a bardo is if I did.

 

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      something to SPIN...

 

SPIN magazine, October 1997, p. 76

The Priest, They Called Him:

William S. Burroughs, 1914-1997

 

Why was the death of William S. Burroughs such a curiously uneventful event?

Given the superficial resemblance to the recent passing of friend and fellow

beat Allen Ginsberg, for example, the two deaths couldn't feel more

different.  Like Burroughs, Ginsberg was a writer well past his prime and a

spotlight addict inclined to interlope on passing youth-culture movements in

order to extend his legend.  Nonetheless, Ginsberg remained a force to the

end, an artist with a sincere political and spiritual agenda who saw his fame

as a way to provoke cultural change.  His death came as a surprisingly

powerful blow, even to people who'd long since cringed at his poetry.

 

On the other hand, the 83-year-old Burroughs, who died of heart failure

August 2, was an active relic who had exploited the mystique around his early

work for so long that I suspect even he didn't know why he was famous

anymore.  While he continued to write, he was less an artist than a retiree

who dabbled in his former craft.  Despite the omnipresence of his name, he

had ceased to participate in our world decades ago.  He lived quietly in the

middle of nowhere, invisible, apart from the occasional cameo, attached to us

only by that famous visage and voice, and by the well-worn anecdotes and

crackpot theories he respun endlessly for any interviewer willing to make the

trek to Lawrence, Kansas.

 

Don't get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important countercultural

figure.  Before heroin addiction stunted his talent, he wrote a handful of

brilliant, groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch (1959) and The Wild

Boys (1969).  He perfected (but did not invent) the cut-up technique, one of

the touchstones of postmodernism and an influence on innumerable writers,

artists, directors, and musicians, He popularized the idea of experimental

fiction, if more by dint of his persona than his craft.  Along with Jean

Genet, John Rechy, and Ginsberg, he helped make homosexuality seem cool and

highbrow, providing gay liberation with a delicious edge.  In his day,

Burroughs was arguably the most radical novelist that America had ever

produced.

 

But the rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting, the conspiracy

rantings, the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.  Not that he didn't

sit in Orgone Boxes daydreaming of enlightenment, or do drugs into his 80s.

 But the mythic status of those oddball personal habits had everything to do

with the contexts in which he was placed: To most of the rock bands,

moviemakers, and Gen X advertisers who dropped Burroughs's trademark exterior

into their product (notable exception: Gus Van Sant), he was a signifier of

their own daring and little else.  And in allowing this indiscriminate

dispersal of his image, Burroughs the complex artist became Burroughs the

simplistic icon.

 

In a way, Burroughs died in the late '70s, when he was resurrected from

relative obscurity and repackaged as a kind of outlaw comedian/philosopher.

 Victor Bockris's 1981 book, *With William Burroughs: A Report from the

Bunker,* a collection of transcribed dinner conversations and photos,

presents him as a cranky, befuddled living legend who, when not putting on

clownish displays of outre behavior, was propped up in front of a passing

array of worshipful rock stars.  It's a well-known secret that, beginning

with his 1981 "comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose

was a product of partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books

steadily diminished.  Perhaps this is not a bad thing in and of itself;

everybody's got to pay the rent somehow.  But the result is that his death

feels abstract, only coldly fascinating.  The Burroughs whom most of us know

and love is an echo, which, thanks to the miracles of sampling, will continue

unimpeded as long as there are young rebels in need of a transgressive

figurehead.

--DENNIS COOPER

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:15:37 -0700

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I saw this as well.  Thnx for posting it.

 

What about it?  Not the opinion, but the claim that Burroughs books were

written by ghosts beginning with Cities of the Red Night?

 

True?

 

 

At 07:11 PM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote:

>SPIN magazine, October 1997, p. 76

>The Priest, They Called Him:

>William S. Burroughs, 1914-1997

> 

>Why was the death of William S. Burroughs such a curiously uneventful event?

>Given the superficial resemblance to the recent passing of friend and fellow

>beat Allen Ginsberg, for example, the two deaths couldn't feel more

>different.  Like Burroughs, Ginsberg was a writer well past his prime and a

>spotlight addict inclined to interlope on passing youth-culture movements in

>order to extend his legend.  Nonetheless, Ginsberg remained a force to the

>end, an artist with a sincere political and spiritual agenda who saw his fame

>as a way to provoke cultural change.  His death came as a surprisingly

>powerful blow, even to people who'd long since cringed at his poetry.

> 

>On the other hand, the 83-year-old Burroughs, who died of heart failure

>August 2, was an active relic who had exploited the mystique around his early

>work for so long that I suspect even he didn't know why he was famous

>anymore.  While he continued to write, he was less an artist than a retiree

>who dabbled in his former craft.  Despite the omnipresence of his name, he

>had ceased to participate in our world decades ago.  He lived quietly in the

>middle of nowhere, invisible, apart from the occasional cameo, attached to us

>only by that famous visage and voice, and by the well-worn anecdotes and

>crackpot theories he respun endlessly for any interviewer willing to make the

>trek to Lawrence, Kansas.

> 

>Don't get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important countercultural

>figure.  Before heroin addiction stunted his talent, he wrote a handful of

>brilliant, groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch (1959) and The Wild

>Boys (1969).  He perfected (but did not invent) the cut-up technique, one of

>the touchstones of postmodernism and an influence on innumerable writers,

>artists, directors, and musicians, He popularized the idea of experimental

>fiction, if more by dint of his persona than his craft.  Along with Jean

>Genet, John Rechy, and Ginsberg, he helped make homosexuality seem cool and

>highbrow, providing gay liberation with a delicious edge.  In his day,

>Burroughs was arguably the most radical novelist that America had ever

>produced.

> 

>But the rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting, the conspiracy

>rantings, the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.  Not that he didn't

>sit in Orgone Boxes daydreaming of enlightenment, or do drugs into his 80s.

> But the mythic status of those oddball personal habits had everything to do

>with the contexts in which he was placed: To most of the rock bands,

>moviemakers, and Gen X advertisers who dropped Burroughs's trademark exterior

>into their product (notable exception: Gus Van Sant), he was a signifier of

>their own daring and little else.  And in allowing this indiscriminate

>dispersal of his image, Burroughs the complex artist became Burroughs the

>simplistic icon.

> 

>In a way, Burroughs died in the late '70s, when he was resurrected from

>relative obscurity and repackaged as a kind of outlaw comedian/philosopher.

> Victor Bockris's 1981 book, *With William Burroughs: A Report from the

>Bunker,* a collection of transcribed dinner conversations and photos,

>presents him as a cranky, befuddled living legend who, when not putting on

>clownish displays of outre behavior, was propped up in front of a passing

>array of worshipful rock stars.  It's a well-known secret that, beginning

>with his 1981 "comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose

>was a product of partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books

>steadily diminished.  Perhaps this is not a bad thing in and of itself;

>everybody's got to pay the rent somehow.  But the result is that his death

>feels abstract, only coldly fascinating.  The Burroughs whom most of us know

>and love is an echo, which, thanks to the miracles of sampling, will continue

>unimpeded as long as there are young rebels in need of a transgressive

>figurehead.

>--DENNIS COOPER

> 

> 

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:24:49 -0400

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From:         Jonathan or Jennifer <jt712@NETPATH.NET>

Subject:      Re: A funny thing happened the other day..

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At 01:38 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Jonathan or Jennifer wrote:

> 

>> I was in Barnes and Noble bookstore, browsing through

>> the Jack Kerouac section, when this lady in her 40's-50's

>> and her husband walked by. she pointed right at one

>> of Kerouac's books and said in a loud voice to her

>> husband: "Know that guy? He was a hippie-beatnik."

>> then she left. i almost burst out laughing. obviously,

>> this woman knows nothing about Kerouac. he was totally

>> against the hippies! Just thought i might share that

>> with everyone.

>> 

>> -Jennifer

>> -jt712@netpath.net

>> 

>What had Kerouac said against hippies?

> 

>Yan

>We share the Moon.

> 

now that i think about it, Kerouac wasn't against the

hippies, but i read somewhere that he opposed many of

the things they approved of.

 

-Jennifer

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:48:45 +0900

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From:         Timothy Hoffman <timothy@GOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: bardo

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>My question is what does it symbolize or do?

 

        Bardo--although I'm not familiar with the name, is a Buddist

practice which takes place during 49 days after the a person's death. In

Japan, where I live, some families hold "Shijukunichi" ("49 Days")

cermonies after a relative's death. Families will gather at the Buddhist

temple for prayer lead by the temple priest. Afterward, they will often

bury the ashes in the grave.

        Other families, depending on family tradition or branch of Buddism

will hold similar ceremonies 35 days after the death or 1 year after the

death.

        I've heard and read (Tibetan Book of the Dead) that at least in

Tigetan Buddism these 49 days are not spent idly waiting; the time is used

to prepare the departing soul for the transformation, hoping to help them

reincarnate at a more enlightened level, by reading them the Scripture from

the Book of the Dead (hence the title).

        This is my humble and incomplete understanding. I'm always learning

more, in fact, received my awaited copy of Some of the Dharma yesterday, so

there may be more to add to this message later.

>do with the journey of the soul?  And does this burning of possessions

>give energy to the soul in its journey in whatever dimension it might be

>in now after death?

>DC

 

 

:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::

Timothy Hoffman

Komaki English Teaching Center

timothy@gol.com

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:23:29 -0500

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From:         Matthew S Sackmann <msackma@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: something to SPIN...

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Yeah, i was about to post this too.  I was frankly dissapointed with it.

It just seems to me that the writer knew very little about William S.

Burroughs besides the cult, cliche knowledge of him.  And many parts of

the article seem downright rude.  (im paraphrasing) "Many people felt the

loss of Allen Ginsberg, even the ones who had spent years cringing at his

poetry."  and then "While he continued to write, he was less an artist

than a retiree

who dabbled in his former craft."  I dont agree with this at all, and i

think he just switched mediums.  He went beyond writing to painting and

collages.  It seemed like the article wasn't even really a

tribute to a great man who had just passed away.  It was saying something

like: "His artistic genius passed away long a go, so we need not mourn his

body."

 

I don't know, maybe im too harsh.  but i think it would have been better

to keep the article out as a tribute to WSB.  Now, on the other hand, i

liked the article in Rolling Stone.  THAT was a tribute.

 

-matt

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:27:05 -0500

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I wasn't going to say anything but wasn't there  a study on coopers that

they caused asthma. tim, your such a heavy hitter, right, william not

only couldn't right or think, after all he was old, uh, but elvis really

wrote and imagined the trilogy, they covered it up because they thought

william's name was bigger.  Then didn't he have a trust fund, i mean

cooper not elvis.

how many legs does dennis have?

p

spin sure spent the money on that.

p

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        I gotta say, I was disappointed with the tone of the SPIN article.

        If Cooper and SPIN had not felt the man deserving of a tribute, why

print anything at all? Why not just let him pass?

         Burroughs' death received a more respectful and humane treatment

in People, for God's sake. The People article, brief as it was, did at

least pay heed to Burroughs' choice of vocation as a way "to write himself

out of" the hellish situation he was in after the accidental shooting death

of his wife.

        Cooper seems to take offense to the fact that Burroughs had been

enjoying a period of resurgence in his popularity among the

counterculture/young/personalities of the music industry when the same can

be said about other Beat authors. The fact that Burroughs had "dabbled" in

media other than writing should only confirm the idea that he was an artist

to the end, sincere in his beliefs, as human as anyone else, and, because

of his obvious talents, in death, deserving a fair tribute.

 

 

:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::===:::

Timothy Hoffman

Komaki English Teaching Center

timothy@gol.com

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:03:09 -0500

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From:         Wes Lundburg <lundburg@TCPNETS.COM>

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Hi, Jens!  Bother me??? Heck no.  Those who know me know that precious

little bothers me!  But I was wondering the same thing.  I'll bet you hit

reply while reading my post.

 

I'll look forward to seeing that site.  Would you post it again when it

goes on line???

 

---Wes

 

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Jens Koch wrote:

 

 

I honestly don't know what happened when my post on hypertext etc. came to

be posted as a letter from you, Wes. As this post was intended to invite

people to go to our Danish site (in a couple of days time) this is quite

ridiculous - if a little comical. I sincerely hope it doesn't bother you!

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:44:12 -0500

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From:         Roy Murray Moore <unde0297@FRANK.MTSU.EDU>

Subject:      something to spin...

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        if spin is going to condemn performers for living off the laurels

of past achievement, why then didn't they give jerry garcia the same going

over?

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:36:46 -0700

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:43:05 -0500

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From:         Jeff Taylor <taylorjb@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Trees

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Attila Gyenis wrote:

 

> Headwaters Forest - the last remaining old growth forest, Redwood trees 500

> to 2,000 years old, that are privately owned. And owned by Mr. Hurwitz

> (Maxxam corporation/Pacific Lumber) who is tying to get ransom money for it

> from the government and taxpayers in the amount of $380 million dollars USA,

> otherwise the forest, nature, animals, rivers, all go. It's 10:00 pm. Do you

> know what the fuck your government is doing?

> 

> I don't know if Jack would have stood for it.   Are trees beat?

 

from Desolation Angels, ch32:

"As far as I can see and as I am concerned, this so-called Forest Service

is nothing but a front, on the one hand a vague Totalitarian governmental

effort to restrict the use of the forest to people, telling them they cant

camp here or piss there, it's illegal to do this and you're allowed to do

that, in the Immemorial Wilderness of Tao and the Golden Age and the

Milleniums of Man--secondly it's a front for the lumber interests, the net

result of the whole thing being, what with Scott Paper Tissue and such

companies logging out these woods year after year with the 'cooperation'

of the Forest Service which boasts so proudly of the number of board feet

in the whole Forest (as if I owned an inch of a board altho I cant piss

here nor camp there) result, net, is people all over the world are wiping

their ass with the beautiful trees--"

 

*******

Jeff Taylor

taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

*******

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:18:52 -0700

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From:         Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: something to spin...

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.HPP.3.96.970916214039.10951B-100000@frank.mtsu.edu> from

              "Roy Murray Moore" at Sep 16, 97 09:44:12 pm

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>         if spin is going to condemn performers for living off the laurels

> of past achievement, why then didn't they give jerry garcia the same going

> over?

 

This is true -- I don't know what the hell got into Spin.  I've

sometimes critiqued Burroughs myself, but one thing you've got

to say is he aged pretty well, and always kept us guessing what

he was going to do next.  I'd rather go out that way than a lot

of other ways.

 

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:45:25 -0700

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From:         Leon Tabory <letabor@CRUZIO.COM>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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Leon Tabory wrote:

> 

>  Happy birthday David!

> 

> A bit late again,  among  other things work does is you get behind , running

 behind the threads as as  Yan would say, but it is all right in many other ways

 and I am not too late yet to wish you a happy birthday or to share the moon

 celebrating...

> 

> I am no longer shocked that you are only thirty six,  I got over that after

 seeing your picure. I had pictured you as having become wisened through the

 years, but I saw that your mind was way ahead of your years by that much and it

 obviously didn't hurt you none  in the body either.

> 

> So now I have an acceptable reason to congratulate you, and since us oldtimers

 ain't doin our job if we ain't givin no advice, take it from one who is going

 to be doubling your years in a couple of weeks, You can pave your road with

 rose petals no matter what curves they put in your way!

> 

> Had I only realized it was  going to go on being that good I would have saved

 me some pretty heap of waste looking for the ravages of age. coming at me. Sure

 can bet on tha.t but it ain't near as bad as you might imagine. You even get

 used to those wrinkles and the grey hairs and there is more fun awaiting than

 you can shake a stick at. And not only that, you get smarter to dig all those

 goodies. Ha Ha! Have a good one!

> 

> One thing though - Is it all that firm? sometimes it feels a little shaky to

 me. Maybe that's my age creeping up on me. Got my sailors' legs on though, it

 all is fun.

> 

> leon

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 5:18 AM

> Subject: 36th anniversary on terra firma

> 

> >Full Moon tonight

> >and anniversary of my birth

> >36 years

> >give or take a century

> >someone asks me

> >"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"

> >tough question you know

> >hear it

> >every year

> >every year someone's gonna ask

> >do you you feeeeeel older and

> >kind of like when asked

> >how do you feeeeeel

> >everyday

> >on street corners from

> >this person or that person

> >that don't

> >wait for the answer

> >cuz they didn't even realize

> >that they'd

> >asked the question

> >and so

> >the answer is

> >yes

> >i feel a distinct

> >impression

> >that i'm about

> >a day older

> >give or take

> >and wonder about the

> >correspondence of

> >birthday and full moon

> >and

> >certain wonderful Lunacy

> >somewhere in

> >the universe today.

> >

> >[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing

> >George Clinton]

> >

> >david rhaesa

> >salina, Kansas

> >.-

> >

thanks for the kind note.

of course it isn't always that firm.

many many methods for dealing with the anti-firm moments.  my most

successful is probably to count to 100 than count down to -500 and back

up to zero.

there is rarely something anti-firm with the patience to withstand this

procedure ... of course, i often fall asleep somewhere along the way...

 

still hoping to come out that way later this fall or in the spring.

this weekend taking my mother to denver to visit my sister and i'll play

with nephew nate and move up the road to evergreen to an old friend and

to Boulder to seek out the Disembodied Poets....always have wondered

exactly what that means...hope that they ain't so disembodied that they

are invisible.

 

i'm blocked off the computer right now so will send this in the morning.

thanks again.

words of advice to young folks are always in order!

 

shalom,

david

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:41:59 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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At 07:45 PM 9/16/97 -0700, you wrote:

> You too Tim! Last but not least of the thrty sixers! Greetings from your

ols stomping grounds! Not only a full moon but the sunsets from Natural

Bridges are more stunning than they ever were. Happy trails Tim

> 

>leon

 

Thanks Leon you make me nostalgic for the old town.

 

I bet the moon is great from a Lompico view through the redwoods

 

 

> 

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Timothy K. Gallaher <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 8:44 AM

>Subject: Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

> 

> 

> 

>>At 07:13 AM 9/16/97 +0530, you wrote:

>>>Full Moon tonight

>>>and anniversary of my birth

>>>36 years

>> 

>> 

>>No way!!!!?????

>> 

>> 

>>It's my birthday too yeah.

>> 

>>Well my birthday's really in october but it the Chinese calender it's my

>>birthday.

>> 

>>Same rat year too.

>> 

>>Amazing.

>> 

>>I thought this made me the Moon King but maybe you are also the Moon King.

>> 

>>Happy Birthday David.

>> 

>> 

>>>give or take a century

>>>someone asks me

>>>"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"

>>>tough question you know

>>>hear it

>>>every year

>>>every year someone's gonna ask

>>>do you you feeeeeel older and

>>>kind of like when asked

>>>how do you feeeeeel

>>>everyday

>>>on street corners from

>>>this person or that person

>>>that don't

>>>wait for the answer

>>>cuz they didn't even realize

>>>that they'd

>>>asked the question

>>>and so

>>>the answer is

>>>yes

>>>i feel a distinct

>>>impression

>>>that i'm about

>>>a day older

>>>give or take

>>>and wonder about the

>>>correspondence of

>>>birthday and full moon

>>>and

>>>certain wonderful Lunacy

>>>somewhere in

>>>the universe today.

>>> 

>>>[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing

>>>George Clinton]

>>> 

>>>david rhaesa

>>>salina, Kansas

>>> 

>>> 

>>.-

>> 

> 

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Date:         Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:19:51 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

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Just noticed that KQED in San Francisco is airing a show on AG--"The

Life and Times of Allan Ginsberg" Wednesday night (tomorrow) at 10pm.

Public TV viewers in other markets might want to check their schedules.

I don't know who is producing this one.  (I saw the ad as I was on the

phone with the sound off on TV).

 

J. Stauffer

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Date:         Sat, 26 Apr 1997 15:16:50 EST

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From:         Richard D Raymond <madhatter20@JUNO.COM>

Subject:      kerouac quarterly?

 

  My name is Ricky Raymond, and I am a relative neophyte to the beat

writers and the world of bickering they left in their wake. I was going

through some old messages from the list, and found a particularly biting

response from you to nicosia in which you mentioned a Kerouac Quarterly.

Could you send me subscription info? thanks.

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:41:47 -0400

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From:         Mike Rice <mrice@CENTURYINTER.NET>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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We got old timers and prospectors on this hyar hookup!

 

Mike Rice

 

At 07:36 PM 9/16/97 -0700, you wrote:

> Happy birthday David!

> 

>A bit late again,  among  other things work does is you get behind ,

running behind the threads as as  Yan would say, but it is all right in many

other ways and I am not too late yet to wish you a happy birthday or to

share the moon celebrating...

> 

>I am no longer shocked that you are only thirty six,  I got over that after

seeing your picure. I had pictured you as having become wisened through the

years, but I saw that your mind was way ahead of your years by that much and

it obviously didn't hurt you none  in the body either.

> 

>So now I have an acceptable reason to congratulate you, and since us

oldtimers ain't doin our job if we ain't givin no advice, take it from one

who is going to be doubling your years in a couple of weeks, You can pave

your road with rose petals no matter what curves they put in your way!

> 

>Had I only realized it was  going to go on being that good I would have

saved me some pretty heap of waste looking for the ravages of age. coming at

me. Sure can bet on tha.t but it ain't near as bad as you might imagine. You

even get used to those wrinkles and the grey hairs and there is more fun

awaiting than you can shake a stick at. And not only that, you get smarter

to dig all those goodies. Ha Ha! Have a good one!

> 

>One thing though - Is it all that firm? sometimes it feels a little shaky

to me. Maybe that's my age creeping up on me. Got my sailors' legs on

though, it all is fun.

> 

>leon

> 

>-----Original Message-----

>From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

>To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 5:18 AM

>Subject: 36th anniversary on terra firma

> 

> 

> 

>>Full Moon tonight

>>and anniversary of my birth

>>36 years

>>give or take a century

>>someone asks me

>>"well, do you FEEEEEEEEEEEEL older?"

>>tough question you know

>>hear it

>>every year

>>every year someone's gonna ask

>>do you you feeeeeel older and

>>kind of like when asked

>>how do you feeeeeel

>>everyday

>>on street corners from

>>this person or that person

>>that don't

>>wait for the answer

>>cuz they didn't even realize

>>that they'd

>>asked the question

>>and so

>>the answer is

>>yes

>>i feel a distinct

>>impression

>>that i'm about

>>a day older

>>give or take

>>and wonder about the

>>correspondence of

>>birthday and full moon

>>and

>>certain wonderful Lunacy

>>somewhere in

>>the universe today.

>> 

>>[Soundtrack: two boomboxes one playing Pink Floyd the other playing

>>George Clinton]

>> 

>>david rhaesa

>>salina, Kansas

>>.-

>> 

> 

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:53:21 -0400

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From:         Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: something to spin...

 

SPIN is just very uneven.  They are not as predictable as Rolling Stone,

which can be refreshing.  But SPIN lets a lot of silly stuff into print -

poorly written, poorly researched, poorly edited if at all, and the Burroughs

piece was an example of all of the above, more like what you would expect

from a college newspaper, just one guy musing about his poorly formed

impressions rather than anything resembeling journalism.

 

SPIN's list of the 40 most important musicians about six months ago was just

hysterical.  Warhol was wrong, at places like SPIN fame comes and goes in way

under 15 minutes.  SPIN has trouble dealing with the fact that sometimes

there are a few folks that actually are famous and "in" for a little more

than a few hours.  Like him or not, William S. Burroughs was one of that

breed.  Its not surprising that some have trouble dealing with that.

 

Howard Park

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:02:51 -0400

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From:         "Paul A. Maher Jr." <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Re: kerouac quarterly?

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At 03:16 PM 4/26/97 EST, you wrote:

>  My name is Ricky Raymond, and I am a relative neophyte to the beat

>writers and the world of bickering they left in their wake. I was going

>through some old messages from the list, and found a particularly biting

>response from you to nicosia in which you mentioned a Kerouac Quarterly.

>Could you send me subscription info? thanks.

> 

 Hi...the info can be found at The Kerouac Quarterly web site at:

 

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:22:26 BST

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From:         Tom Harberd <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: something to SPIN...

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:15:37 -0700 Timothy K. Gallaher

wrote:

 

[snip]

 

> >Don't get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important

countercultural

> >figure.  Before heroin addiction stunted his talent, he

wrote a handful of

> >brilliant, groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch

(1959) and The Wild

> >Boys (1969).

 

Pardon me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't Burroughs so much on

smack whilst writing Naked Lunch that he claimed in the

introduction that he could not remember writing bits of it

(a claim that was taken up by Kronenberg in his film of the

book when Ginsberg and Kerouac visit him in Interzone with

his "book" and he says that he knows nothing about it.)?

 

 In his day,

> >Burroughs was arguably the most radical novelist that

America had ever

> >produced.

 

As far as I'm concerned, he's still the most radical

novelist that America has ever produced.  Who else tackled

the theoretical premises that had been taken as being as

natural as breathing to novelists both before and after, and

did his best, if not to destroy them, then to subvert them

by showing that great literature can be created without the

traditionally accepted guidelines.  His un-systematic

destruction of the narrative structure was (I think I'm

right in saying) the first of its kind, if not only the

first to push the boundaries as far as they could go.

Cut-up was important not just as a new method (and Burroughs

was arguably the first to bring it into widely-seen word

collages) but also because it shows us what had been taken

for granted up to then, and what could be done by breaking

the rules.  Kerouac is often seen to be a more important

literary figure, but his theories of spontaneous poetics

were mainly distilled from Joyce and others.  Personally I

find most stream-of-conciousness-type-stuff completely

unreadable, but it's important for the same reasons.

 

> >But the rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting,

the conspiracy

> >rantings, the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.

 

I'm sure that his wife would not be happy to learn that.

And I think it's a little unfair.

All great figures of the sixties (and, yeah, before and

after) were eventually taken over by their own myths, being

consumed by the legend and eventually disappearing up their

own arseholes.  I think Burroughs fought this better than

most, and I think his memory deserves better.

 

 It's a well-known secret that, beginning

> >with his 1981 "comeback" novel, Cities of the Red Night,

Burroughs's prose

> >was a product of partial ghostwriting, and that his

involvement in his books

> >steadily diminished.

 

And yet, inmo, The Western Lands was Burrough's second best

book (first being the sublime Ghost of Chance).  It drew all

the threads together and illuminated many dark corners of

his mind and thoughts that would have otherwise remained

vague impressions only.

 

Burroughs is the most undervalued writer of the century.

 

Tom. H.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

"To know, and be not knowing."

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:53:58 -0400

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: something to SPIN...

 

To Tom Harberd--

 

Tim Gallaher is not the author of that Burroughs stuff, but just one of the

respondents to it. The author is Dennis Cooper, and the article appears in

this month's issue of SPIN magazine.

 

I posted the article to the list for comment. All those who disagree with

Cooper's assessment should also consider writing to SPIN to register their

complaints formally.

 

These are addresses for the editorial offices of SPIN. Take your pick.

Spin Magazine 6 W 18th St, New York, NY 10011-4608

Phone: (212)633-8200 Fax: (212)633-2668

 

Spin Magazine 11950 San Vicente Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90049-5013

Phone: (310)820-8183

 

Spin Magazine 447 Battery St, San Francisco, CA 94111-3202

Phone: (415)981-7746

 

Also, they have a website titled "Spin Online," apparently, but I haven't

been able to divine its whereabouts. If anyone knows the URL, please send it

to me.

 

Thanks.

 

diane

 

P.S. I haven't had any use for SPIN magazine since its 1995 article on

celebrity "male bimbos," whom they referred to as "himbos," which was so

baldly sexist and offensive I couldn't believe they didn't get their asses

sued off.

 

Always, consider the source. Never trust a magazine to present facts. They

are all in the entertainment biz today.

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:46:16 +0530

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Saturday in Boulder

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Since i won't be able to be in Lawrence on the 20th i was going to take

my little Pocket Tibetan Book of the Dead in pocket and head up from

Aurora to Boulder.  Have my only little Bardo moments there.

 

Wondering about directions?  I've heard that Arapahoe and Pearl are

streets to wander along.  Are there others?  Any doors i should knock on

unannounced????

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:14:37 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: romantic lit. / shelley&wollstonecraft listserv?

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derek: i'd try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also

i think your needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific

lit list. i don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more

detailed response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a

great scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly

way.

mc

 

Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:

 

> hey there?

> i was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or

> mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is

> doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of

> prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that

> you folks would recommend.

> (aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist

> ?? haha.)

> thanks a HUGE bundle

> yrs

> derek

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:39:51 -0600

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Subject:      Re[2]: something to spin...

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     Ed Sanders has a word for this sort of "Spin".

     He calls it a "Poe job". It's the same old establishment

     bashing the artist while they're alive and after

     they're dead. Edgar still gets this once in a while.

     The sad part is that WSB has been on SPIN's list of

     contributing editors and WSB gives praise to Dennis

     Cooper in a blurb on one of Cooper's books. Dennis owes

     a lot to Burroughs. Cooper doesn't even have his facts

     together.

     Burroughs deserves better. It's magazines like SPIN that

     capitalized on Burroughs name. It is the media that has

     treated Burroughs like an icon.

     Burroughs has always been 100% himself.

     His work will stand up.

 

     Sean D. Young

     -------------------------------------------------

     -----

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From:         "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject:      Re: romantic lit. / shelley&wollstonecraft listserv?

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mc

done a serach (listserv@listserv.net) for romantic, shelley,

wollstonecraft, romanticist, byron, 18 th century literature with no dice

so far. no help from boho's either. theres gott abe something on all them

listservs out there. gotta be something of use, no?

thanks for all the help ive received so far - i really appreciate it.

yrs

derek

 

On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:

 

> 

> derek: i'd try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also

> i think your needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific

> lit list. i don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more

> detailed response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a

> great scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly

> way.

> mc

> 

> Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:

> 

> > hey there?

> > i was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or

> > mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is

> > doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of

> > prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that

> > you folks would recommend.

> > (aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist

> > ?? haha.)

> > thanks a HUGE bundle

> > yrs

> > derek

> 

 

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      HELP

 

i'm trying to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would someone

send a test out to the list, so i can see if i'm back.  if i don't respond in

about an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.

 

ciao,

sherri

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:49:23 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: something to spin...

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At 08:53 AM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:

>SPIN is just very uneven.  They are not as predictable as Rolling Stone,

>which can be refreshing.  But SPIN lets a lot of silly stuff into print

 

Yeah, I'd agree with you.  They may actually have done a piece putting down

Jerry Garcia as someone brought up as a theoetical comparison.

 

Spin was recently bought by Vibe.  I don't know if there is a new staff yet

but I did notice that for the last two issues they have not had the Words

from the Front coulmn on AIDS that has been in each issue for a decade now.

I assume it has been discontinued which is too bad.

 

 -

>poorly written, poorly researched, poorly edited if at all, and the Burroughs

>piece was an example of all of the above, more like what you would expect

>from a college newspaper, just one guy musing about his poorly formed

>impressions rather than anything resembeling journalism.

> 

>SPIN's list of the 40 most important musicians about six months ago was just

>hysterical.  Warhol was wrong, at places like SPIN fame comes and goes in way

>under 15 minutes.  SPIN has trouble dealing with the fact that sometimes

>there are a few folks that actually are famous and "in" for a little more

>than a few hours.  Like him or not, William S. Burroughs was one of that

>breed.  Its not surprising that some have trouble dealing with that.

> 

>Howard Park

> 

> 

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:40:32 +0000

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reading you loud and clear, m'dear.

mc

 

Sherri wrote:

 

> i'm trying to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would someone

> send a test out to the list, so i can see if i'm back.  if i don't respond in

> about an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.

> 

> ciao,

> sherri

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:00:37 -0400

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Wondering about directions?  I've heard that Arapahoe and Pearl are

streets to wander along.  Are there others?  Any doors i should knock on

unannounced????

 

     Arapahoe and Pearl (esp. the Pearl Street Mall(a walking mall, full of

     buskers on the weekend, etc.)) are fun spots.  You might check out the

     Beat Book Store, don't have an address but if you pick up one of the

     free indy papers floating around I'm sure it'll have an ad.  Can't

     remember the real name of The Hill but you'll find it, or it'll find

     you, that's the other "cool" street in town.

 

     Naropa is on Arapahoe, always something going on there.

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt h.

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:54:26 +0000

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Subject:      Re: romantic lit. / shelley&wollstonecraft listserv?

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derek : i just did a search engine on my own bookshelves. a great place to start

is a book by sandra m. gilbert and susan gubar: _the madwoman in the attic_::the

woman writer and the nineteeth century literary imagination. let me know if you

need it mailed up to you if you guys can't get a copy (yale univ. press

 copywrite

'79.

hope this helps: they are feminist scholars. underline scholars.

mc

 

Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:

 

> mc

> done a serach (listserv@listserv.net) for romantic, shelley,

> wollstonecraft, romanticist, byron, 18 th century literature with no dice

> so far. no help from boho's either. theres gott abe something on all them

> listservs out there. gotta be something of use, no?

> thanks for all the help ive received so far - i really appreciate it.

> yrs

> derek

> 

> On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:

> 

> >

> > derek: i'd try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd. also

> > i think your needs would best be served not on a web site but on a specific

> > lit list. i don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a more

> > detailed response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a

> > great scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly

> > way.

> > mc

> >

> > Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:

> >

> > > hey there?

> > > i was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit or

> > > mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind is

> > > doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of

> > > prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet resources that

> > > you folks would recommend.

> > > (aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th C romanticist

> > > ?? haha.)

> > > thanks a HUGE bundle

> > > yrs

> > > derek

> >

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:00:12 +0200

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Me the same !

Francesco

 

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> Da: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

> A: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Oggetto: Re: HELP

> Data: mercoledl 17 settembre 1997 16.40

> 

> reading you loud and clear, m'dear.

> mc

> 

> Sherri wrote:

> 

> > i'm trying to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would

someone

> > send a test out to the list, so i can see if i'm back.  if i don't

respond in

> > about an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.

> >

> > ciao,

> > sherri

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:48:40 -0700

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Hi,

 

I saw this posted at the New York Times web site.  They have a forum on

Kerouac going.  The topic is "Kerouac: Writer or Typist"  And the opening

question is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't

writing, but typing. Dig it?".

 

Someone called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu

provided some interesting info.  He (or she) wrote:

 

 

          For anyone interested in a glimpse of Kerouac's

never-before-available road diaries, check out The

          New Yorker in the coming weeks. Kerouac's literary executor,

Douglas Brinkley (author of The

          Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S. Thompson's recently published

early correspondence The Proud

          Highway, among other things), is going to edit and publish this

epic journal and will be offering

          a few excerpts from the diaries in an upcoming issue of The New

Yorker.

 

 

 

Anyone know anything about this?

 

Is Brinkley the literary executor?

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From:         Jorgiana S Jake <jorgiana@U.ARIZONA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: 36th anniversary on terra firma

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:

 

> We got old timers and prospectors on this hyar hookup!

> 

> Mike Rice

 

Don't forget us whippersnapper voyeurs!

 

Jorgiana

 

************** You can always tell a Texan, but not much.***************

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:32:47 +0530

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Sherri wrote:

> 

> i'm trying to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would someone

> send a test out to the list, so i can see if i'm back.  if i don't respond in

> about an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.

> 

> ciao,

> sherri

 

seems to be working fine.... dbr

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I have sent this message to the beat-l and have also sent it to you directly

at love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM

 

 

If you don't get two copies of this message you are not resubscribed.

 

The major problem people will have when subscribing is that they will send

the subscribe or unsubscribe to the list address itself rather than CUNY's

listserv program.

 

the correct address  to subscribe (or unsub) is

 

listserv@cunyvm.cuny.edu

 

In the message write

 

subscribe beat-l Your Name

 

 

At 05:37 PM 9/17/97 UT, you wrote:

>i'm trying to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would someone

>send a test out to the list, so i can see if i'm back.  if i don't respond in

>about an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.

> 

>ciao,

>sherri

> 

> 

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>Is Brinkley the literary executor?

 

     Are you sure it didn't say "executioner"?  Although I'm a fan of

     Brinley's, he can border on soppy.  The Majic Bus, as a concept of

     education is wonderful, as a book it's a very interesting read, as

     literature it's soggy with emotionalism.

 

     love and soggy lilies,

 

     matt h.

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:39:47 -0400

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At 12:48 PM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi,

> 

>I saw this posted at the New York Times web site.  They have a forum on

>Kerouac going.  The topic is "Kerouac: Writer or Typist"  And the opening

>question is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't

>writing, but typing. Dig it?".

> 

>Someone called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu

>provided some interesting info.  He (or she) wrote:

> 

> 

>          For anyone interested in a glimpse of Kerouac's

>never-before-available road diaries, check out The

>          New Yorker in the coming weeks. Kerouac's literary executor,

>Douglas Brinkley (author of The

>          Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S. Thompson's recently published

>early correspondence The Proud

>          Highway, among other things), is going to edit and publish this

>epic journal and will be offering

>          a few excerpts from the diaries in an upcoming issue of The New

>Yorker.

> 

> 

> 

>Anyone know anything about this?

> 

>Is Brinkley the literary executor?

> 

NO.  John Sampas, Jack's brother in law, is the Executor of The Estate of

Jack Kerouac.

 

                                        -Jon

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:39:58 -0400

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From:         Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: something to spin...

 

SPIN was always very snide about the Dead.  I once talked to Gucione

personally about it, the the NYU Beat Conference.

 

Howard

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As luck would have it, my local PBS station chose not to broadcast _The Life

and Times of Allen Ginsberg_ tonight. I also missed it when it came to the

local alternative cinema house. Anyone taping it, and willing to trade? I

have a couple Beat-related (and otherwise) things on tape.

 

Email me privately at stutz@dsl.org if interested. Thanks.

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Michael Stutz wrote:

> 

> As luck would have it, my local PBS station chose not to broadcast _The Life

> and Times of Allen Ginsberg_ tonight. I also missed it when it came to the

> local alternative cinema house. Anyone taping it, and willing to trade? I

> have a couple Beat-related (and otherwise) things on tape.

> 

> Email me privately at stutz@dsl.org if interested. Thanks.

 

my library had it and i really enjoyed it awhile back.  I must say the

section of Louis G. reading at father's grave and then Allen doing

Father death blues pushed me to the point of weeping.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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What can be said about the irreverent, trashy, poorly-written, Gen-X

biased, idiot-authored piece abou the death of Burroughs that appeared

in SPIN?  You know, maybe he was right, you know, maybe Burroughs

isn't a genius... and maybe I'm not angry about the article, either...

'Cause ya know, it's not like Burroughs has put out any books lately,

like _My_Education_, or anything like that.  It's not like Burroughs

was a literary genius, perhaps the most important novelist that the

world has ever known, not to mention the most revolutionary.

But I get too carried away in the sarcasm...

As a Gen-Xer myself, (and god do I wish I wasn't) I can see what

happened in the article.  The author exhibited signs of "Indie Rock

Disease."  Indie Rock Disease, or IRD, is a disease found most

commonly amongst punk, hard-core, and post-punk listening kids that

congregate in coffeehouses and music clubs.  IRD is itself

debilitating and may cause spontaneous atrophying of the brain if it

goes unchecked.  IRD manifests itself as a sort of hubris, in which

the victim believes that anything in particular can be cool, in and of

its own merit, until other people start to like it, i.e., it becomes

popular, i.e., it comes into public scrutiny.  At such a point,

whatever was considered cool is now cast away as "sold out" and

ignored but for bitching rants that the victim may go off on.

As the writer of this article was the victim of a terrible, terrible

disease, I say that perhaps we shouldn't even blame him.  Maybe we

shouldn't even consider the fact that he wrote anything.  Maybe we

should just go about our daily Beat business and ignore anything that

this poor, ignorant, stupid, disease-stricken kid had to say.

 

                     thank you for your time,

 

                     Dr. Adam J Muszkiewicz, PhD

 

 

 

===

visit my web site, The Beat(en) Regeneration

(http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/6131)

for info on the Beat, Beatnik and Neo-Beat subcultures

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:38:48 +0000

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i've always wondered  if this had been given a real name.... just as

plausible as ADD.

randy

> What can be said about the irreverent, trashy, poorly-written, Gen-X

> biased, idiot-authored piece abou the death of Burroughs that appeared

> in SPIN?  You know, maybe he was right, you know, maybe Burroughs

> isn't a genius... and maybe I'm not angry about the article, either...

> 'Cause ya know, it's not like Burroughs has put out any books lately,

> like _My_Education_, or anything like that.  It's not like Burroughs

> was a literary genius, perhaps the most important novelist that the

> world has ever known, not to mention the most revolutionary.

> But I get too carried away in the sarcasm...

> As a Gen-Xer myself, (and god do I wish I wasn't) I can see what

> happened in the article.  The author exhibited signs of "Indie Rock

> Disease."  Indie Rock Disease, or IRD, is a disease found most

> commonly amongst punk, hard-core, and post-punk listening kids that

> congregate in coffeehouses and music clubs.  IRD is itself

> debilitating and may cause spontaneous atrophying of the brain if it

> goes unchecked.  IRD manifests itself as a sort of hubris, in which

> the victim believes that anything in particular can be cool, in and of

> its own merit, until other people start to like it, i.e., it becomes

> popular, i.e., it comes into public scrutiny.  At such a point,

> whatever was considered cool is now cast away as "sold out" and

> ignored but for bitching rants that the victim may go off on.

> As the writer of this article was the victim of a terrible, terrible

> disease, I say that perhaps we shouldn't even blame him.  Maybe we

> shouldn't even consider the fact that he wrote anything.  Maybe we

> should just go about our daily Beat business and ignore anything that

> this poor, ignorant, stupid, disease-stricken kid had to say.

> 

>                      thank you for your time,

> 

>                      Dr. Adam J Muszkiewicz, PhD

> 

> 

> 

> ===

> visit my web site, The Beat(en) Regeneration

> (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/6131)

> for info on the Beat, Beatnik and Neo-Beat subcultures

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> _____________________________________________________________________

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> 

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From:         Matthew S Sackmann <msackma@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac in New Yorker

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

 

> Hi,

> 

> I saw this posted at the New York Times web site.  They have a forum on

> Kerouac going.  The topic is "Kerouac: Writer or Typist"  And the opening

> question is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't

> writing, but typing. Dig it?".

> 

> Someone called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu

> provided some interesting info.  He (or she) wrote:

> 

> 

>           For anyone interested in a glimpse of Kerouac's

> never-before-available road diaries, check out The

>           New Yorker in the coming weeks. Kerouac's literary executor,

> Douglas Brinkley (author of The

>           Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S. Thompson's recently published

> early correspondence The Proud

>           Highway, among other things), is going to edit and publish this

> epic journal and will be offering

>           a few excerpts from the diaries in an upcoming issue of The New

> Yorker.

> 

 

WOW!!!!  I CAN'T WAIT!!!!  AHHH!!! Jack's road diaries!?? YAHOOO!!

Man, Douglas Brinkley is SO COOL.  _The Majic Bus_ is not an attempt at a

novel (although i think it reads almost like one), but it is beautiful.

The whole idea of taking the class out of the classroom and into America

is brilliant!

Matt H. calls it "soppy with emotionalism."  Isn't this the same

discussion that's been going on about the Beats and their sentimentality.

Professor Brinkley is also a great poet.  I still ahev my poster from Ron

Whitehead (thanx Ron, wherever you are!) hanging on my wall:  "Deydrated

Dawns at Cafe du Monde."

 

Speaking of Douglas Brinkley, a friend of mine just called him the other

day, he won't be back until Monday (must be in NY planning the diary

excerpts, but my friend and I are trying to

start an open-mike poetry series here in the Crescent City.  I can't wait!

 

a ball of excitement,

        -matt

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:04:19 -0400

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> 

> Anyone know anything about this?

> 

> Is Brinkley the literary executor?

> 

Brinkley is currently writing the "authorized" biography of Kerouac, and

is also editing Kerouac's journals for publication.  In addition, because

of Ann Charters schedule committments, apparently he may take her place

and edit the second volume of Kerouac letters.

 

Apparently, John Sampas mustbe a big fan of Brinkley.  I guess he read

"Majic Bus" *shrug*

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I know something about the "writing/typing" story.  In 1958,

Truman Capote and Norman Mailer appeared together on David

Susskind's new Open End TV show.  Talk shows were in their

infancy then.  Capote, then a ten year veteran of the literary

wars, was jealous of the sturm and drang created by the appearance

of OTR and the Beats.  Having heard the story that Kerouac typed

the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced

the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.  The

Press was looking for an excuse to dismiss the Beats.  Within a couple

of years, the beat generation was out of the newspapers and Capote had

played his angle to help bring it about. Of course, the whole counter

cultural idea reemerged by 1965 and the rest is history.

 

Mike Rice

 

At 04:39 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:

>At 12:48 PM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>Hi,

>> 

>>I saw this posted at the New York Times web site.  They have a forum on

>>Kerouac going.  The topic is "Kerouac: Writer or Typist"  And the opening

>>question is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't

>>writing, but typing. Dig it?".

>> 

>>Someone called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu

>>provided some interesting info.  He (or she) wrote:

>> 

>> 

>>          For anyone interested in a glimpse of Kerouac's

>>never-before-available road diaries, check out The

>>          New Yorker in the coming weeks. Kerouac's literary executor,

>>Douglas Brinkley (author of The

>>          Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S. Thompson's recently published

>>early correspondence The Proud

>>          Highway, among other things), is going to edit and publish this

>>epic journal and will be offering

>>          a few excerpts from the diaries in an upcoming issue of The New

>>Yorker.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>>Anyone know anything about this?

>> 

>>Is Brinkley the literary executor?

>> 

>NO.  John Sampas, Jack's brother in law, is the Executor of The Estate of

>Jack Kerouac.

> 

>                                        -Jon

> 

> 

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:31:23 -0700

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From:         Jorgiana S Jake <jorgiana@U.ARIZONA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: MoonFestival

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> Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows

> to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?

> Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.

> A special day, families are long for getting together,

> travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon

> as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.

> A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.

> 

> Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze

> last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy

> and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused

> if you wanta take a ride to Moon.

> 

> JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"

> from Gothenburg to Cheyenne

> under cold shining star

> he bought boys on the truck whisky

> "You can have a couple of shots!", boy

> 

> Now,in warm moonlight

> folks on the list

> would receive the old Chinese feeling

> and a piece of mooncake

> digitally

> 

> Ciao

> 

> Yan

> We share the Moon.

 

Yan

 

A lovely way of putting what many of us felt last night.  Here in the

desert, the moon looked larger than I've ever seen it.  Nice to know that

although we love our little electronic worlds, we still poke our heads

out now and then.

 

Jorgiana>

 

************** You can always tell a Texan, but not much.***************

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:59:52 -0400

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Subject:      Re: Kerouac in New Yorker

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At 08:59 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I know something about the "writing/typing" story.  In 1958,

>Truman Capote and Norman Mailer appeared together on David

>Susskind's new Open End TV show.  Talk shows were in their

>infancy then.  Capote, then a ten year veteran of the literary

>wars, was jealous of the sturm and drang created by the appearance

>of OTR and the Beats.  Having heard the story that Kerouac typed

>the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced

>the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.  The

>Press was looking for an excuse to dismiss the Beats.  Within a couple

>of years, the beat generation was out of the newspapers and Capote had

>played his angle to help bring it about. Of course, the whole counter

>cultural idea reemerged by 1965 and the rest is history.

> 

>Mike Rice

 

Teletype paper.  Teletype paper.  Teletype paper.  You can't type on toilet

paper - it's too thin; it would tear.  I've always heard Jack say he wrote

on Teletype paper.

                                        -Jon

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:11:48 -0400

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From:         Sean Elias <SPElias@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: R: 36th anniversary on terra firma

 

In a message dated 97-09-16 13:12:22 EDT, dufour@ULISSE.IT writes:

 

<< 

 Happy birthday David !!!

 

 Ciao !

 Francesco

  >>

 

 

Belated wishes to you......

 

 

one soundtrack playing the mekons...

    another, throbbing gristle......

s/e/

 

i love the sound track threat..........

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:12:30 -0400

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From:         Sean Elias <SPElias@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: bardo

 

In a message dated 97-09-16 10:03:24 EDT, nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA (Neil

Hennessy) writes:

 

<<  Saturday September 20

 > Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition.  Approximately 49 days after

 > death.

 >  images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.

 > p

 >

 What is this about? What's being burned? And why? Please explain.

  >>

me too, me too, yea, I want to know....

 

burn me if you must.......

 

s.e.

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:45:43 -0400

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>From the Kerouac Quarterly:

 

Douglas Brinkley will have published a biography of Jimmy Carter. Look for

him in the future to be involved with some major Kerouac projects which I am

not at liberty to say right now until he is positively contractually obligated.

 

More in the future on The Kerouac Quarterly Web Page to be found at:

 

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html

> 

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:26:13 -0400

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Organization: Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby

Subject:      Death stalking around my door/long/true/personal

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I received a phone call tonight that two of my "friends" from high

school died last week.  I say friends in quotes because only one was a

friend, the other was at best a rival.  They lived entirely different

lifes.  The woman, who was my friend, was called the essence of

womanhood by our eighth grade social studies teacher, was cheerleader

etc., was a counselor, married to a Presbyterian minister, and had the

requisite two lovely children.  On the other hand, apparently, she was

anorexic (sp?) and depressed, and committed suicide.  Very tragic to

know how the illness is still not understood and how she could not have

been helped.

 

The other a male, was the "bad kid" in high school, and when I last saw

him he was mainlining speed, lsd (couldn't get off on orange sunshine

without running it up) and heroin.  Once, I talked him down from a trip

where he was burning in hell.  When I got him oriented, he laughed, said

that was fun, and wanted to do it again.  I tried to never be in his

presence again after that.  He went on a killing spree in a supermarket

in Texas and was in "the big house."  When his father died, his step

mother moved to Texas and married him in prison.  But in the end, he

redeemed himself.  In prison, he heard that someone had killed some

children.  He snitched the man, and they apparently solved several

murders of children.  He was under "protection" in the Texas system and

died of sudden congestive heart failure.  Whatever.

 

Yesterday, I got some very disheartening personal news.  As  I was

driving home with my three children and they were yelling and fighting I

felt like I might just lose it.  It seemed so hopeless.  But I looked at

the three of them and realized that the only thing that matters is

loving them so well.  Any thoughts of "running away" were dissipated.

Tonight a friend of mine called with some ideas that might solve some of

the problems I ran into yesterday.  Maybe it will work out in a positive

way.

 

I chose to avoid the way my male friend went some 27 years ago, and am

glad I did.  But, he did some good in the end.  He gave some closure to

some parents.   I envied what I knew of "Essence" and always had

bemoaned the fact that I had not been able to be like her.  But, I just

didn't know.  (Richard Cory in real life here).  Life is a funny thing.

I suppose there is a novel, short story and a poem in the middle of all

that.

 

What sadness, what hope, what tragedy, what redemption, what life is

this and does it just go spinning off into space?  There is meaning?

There is hope?  There are children.  Jimi Hendrix said once, we got to

tell our children the truth.  So that is my truth right now from

Columbia SC from a man who is tired and pondering, but I ain't giving up

man. No, I am not giving up.  This kinda of puts things in perspective

real well.  I figure we all got some story like this at some time or

another.  If we just live long enought, eh?

 

>From the heart, to my cyber friends on the beat list and the Hendrix

list, and if you pray, I could use a few right now.  I think Dylan said,

"If there's an original thought out there, I could use it right now."

 

 

Peace,

--

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

 

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:46:45 +0530

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R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

> 

> I received a phone call tonight that two of my "friends" from high

> school died last week.  I say friends in quotes because only one was a

> friend, the other was at best a rival.  They lived entirely different

> lifes.  The woman, who was my friend, was called the essence of

> womanhood by our eighth grade social studies teacher, was cheerleader

> etc., was a counselor, married to a Presbyterian minister, and had the

> requisite two lovely children.  On the other hand, apparently, she was

> anorexic (sp?) and depressed, and committed suicide.  Very tragic to

> know how the illness is still not understood and how she could not have

> been helped.

> 

> The other a male, was the "bad kid" in high school, and when I last saw

> him he was mainlining speed, lsd (couldn't get off on orange sunshine

> without running it up) and heroin.  Once, I talked him down from a trip

> where he was burning in hell.  When I got him oriented, he laughed, said

> that was fun, and wanted to do it again.  I tried to never be in his

> presence again after that.  He went on a killing spree in a supermarket

> in Texas and was in "the big house."  When his father died, his step

> mother moved to Texas and married him in prison.  But in the end, he

> redeemed himself.  In prison, he heard that someone had killed some

> children.  He snitched the man, and they apparently solved several

> murders of children.  He was under "protection" in the Texas system and

> died of sudden congestive heart failure.  Whatever.

> 

> Yesterday, I got some very disheartening personal news.  As  I was

> driving home with my three children and they were yelling and fighting I

> felt like I might just lose it.  It seemed so hopeless.  But I looked at

> the three of them and realized that the only thing that matters is

> loving them so well.  Any thoughts of "running away" were dissipated.

> Tonight a friend of mine called with some ideas that might solve some of

> the problems I ran into yesterday.  Maybe it will work out in a positive

> way.

> 

> I chose to avoid the way my male friend went some 27 years ago, and am

> glad I did.  But, he did some good in the end.  He gave some closure to

> some parents.   I envied what I knew of "Essence" and always had

> bemoaned the fact that I had not been able to be like her.  But, I just

> didn't know.  (Richard Cory in real life here).  Life is a funny thing.

> I suppose there is a novel, short story and a poem in the middle of all

> that.

> 

> What sadness, what hope, what tragedy, what redemption, what life is

> this and does it just go spinning off into space?  There is meaning?

> There is hope?  There are children.  Jimi Hendrix said once, we got to

> tell our children the truth.  So that is my truth right now from

> Columbia SC from a man who is tired and pondering, but I ain't giving up

> man. No, I am not giving up.  This kinda of puts things in perspective

> real well.  I figure we all got some story like this at some time or

> another.  If we just live long enought, eh?

> 

> >From the heart, to my cyber friends on the beat list and the Hendrix

> list, and if you pray, I could use a few right now.  I think Dylan said,

> "If there's an original thought out there, I could use it right now."

> 

> Peace,

> --

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> 

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

 

hey man ...

desolation row is tough some days

luckily there are other days

see you in tomorrow

i expect that you should be there

just ride the waves

through

the abysses

and find paths

to make it easier

the next time around

whether it is next week or next life.

 

Do EZ,

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:54:47 -0400

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From:         John Gregorio <Subterr7@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Saturday in Boulder

 

The Boulder Blues Festival is this weekend in Central Park, Arapahoe and 13th

from 11am until 7pm.  Free adm.  Corey Harris and others playing.

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:24:24 -0400

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From:         "PoOka(the friendly ghost)" <jdematte@TURBO.KEAN.EDU>

Subject:      one more SPIN observation

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today in the bookstore where i work, I had the honor of tearing up the

many "unsold" copies of SPIN which the burroughs article appeared. Just

to let everyobe know, this atrocious magazine doesn't sell. Then again,

maybe if Burroughs was on the cover instead of a little blurb on the

bottom right corner, more issues would be sold and SPIN would be

obligated to write a better article on him. I am still recovering

from the barrage of Princess Diane magazines and biographies that my

co-workers and i must endure from other publications Thank god Old Bull

Lee hasn't succumbed to a similar fate.

                                        jason

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:33:01 -0700

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From:         "Michael R. Brown" <foosi@GLOBAL.CALIFORNIA.COM>

Subject:      Re: MoonFestival

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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Leon Tabory wrote:

> Howling at the moon

 

The moon is a quiet spirit.

Must get tired of all that howling.

I wave, shyly.

Once I looked through the telescope eyepiece so long

I got moon blindness.

 

 

 

+ -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +

  Michael R. Brown                        foosi@global.california.com

+ -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +

 

                o                                       o

                o  The electrical depths of personality o

                o                                       o

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:59:25 -0500

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From:         "john v. omlor" <omlor@PACKET.NET>

Subject:      For whoever was looking for Blake quote...

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Finally, my chance to make the PhD. pay off...

 

Somebody on one of these two lists (I've lost the original post) asked

about a Blake quatrain and provided the last two lines...

 

The quote is from Blake's poem *Eternity*, collected in his *Notebook Poems

and Fragments *c.* 1789-93*.  It's a single quatrain and can be found on

page 153 of the *Complete Poems*, published by Penquin and edited by Alicia

Ostriker.

 

It goes,

 

 

ETERNITY

 

 

He who binds to himself a joy

Does the winged life destroy

But he who kisses the joy as it flies

Lives in eternity's sun rise

 

 

 

(In the first draft, Blake had "binds himself to a joy" in line 1; "But he

who just kisses..." in line three; and "Lives in an eternal sun rise" in

the final line.)

 

Hope this helps.

 

--John

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Date:         Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:06:03 -0400

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From:         Alison Flynn <Limeskydip@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Saturday in Boulder

 

Pearl Street,s a good one but Arapahoe's pretty bare (Naropa, housing disembod

ied is there though)

 

Check out broadway and Spruce.

 

Alison

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Date:         Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:57:04 -0500

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From:         Feng Yan <xbchen@SUN.NANKAI.EDU.CN>

Subject:      Re: MoonFestival

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Jorgiana S Jake wrote:

 

> > Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows

> > to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?

> > Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.

> > A special day, families are long for getting together,

> > travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon

> > as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.

> > A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.

> >

> > Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze

> > last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy

> > and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused

> > if you wanta take a ride to Moon.

> >

> > JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"

> > from Gothenburg to Cheyenne

> > under cold shining star

> > he bought boys on the truck whisky

> > "You can have a couple of shots!", boy

> >

> > Now,in warm moonlight

> > folks on the list

> > would receive the old Chinese feeling

> > and a piece of mooncake

> > digitally

> >

> > Ciao

> >

> > Yan

> > We share the Moon.

> 

> Yan

> 

> A lovely way of putting what many of us felt last night.  Here in the

> desert, the moon looked larger than I've ever seen it.  Nice to know that

> although we love our little electronic worlds, we still poke our heads

> out now and then.

> 

> Jorgiana>

> 

> ************** You can always tell a Texan, but not much.***************

> 

Jorgiana,

 

I have two windows, one open to real world, another to soul. I climb out

the latter to join this electronic world, and look out of the former

to watch the Moon.

 

Yan

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Date:         Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:01:13 -0500

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From:         Feng Yan <xbchen@SUN.NANKAI.EDU.CN>

Subject:      Re: bardo

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Sean Elias wrote:

 

> In a message dated 97-09-16 10:03:24 EDT, nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA (Neil

> Hennessy) writes:

> 

> <<  Saturday September 20

>  > Bardo is a tibetan buddist tradition.  Approximately 49 days after

>  > death.

>  >  images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.

>  > p

>  >

>  What is this about? What's being burned? And why? Please explain.

>   >>

> me too, me too, yea, I want to know....

> 

> burn me if you must.......

> 

> s.e.

> 

I remember some traditions here after all those description of bardo.

It seems to have something to do every seven days after one's death.

49 days is seven time seven days, folks from my born county call it

"seven seven". My father know such things well, but I not. Families

would burn commoditis the dead used, plus to money for hell. They

think those "money" would support the dead's afterlife life. :)

 

Yan

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Date:         Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:58:42 BST

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From:         Tom Harberd <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:53:58 -0400 Diane De Rooy wrote:

 

> From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:53:58 -0400

> Subject: Re: something to SPIN...

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> 

> To Tom Harberd--

> 

> Tim Gallaher is not the author of that Burroughs stuff,

but just one of the

> respondents to it. The author is Dennis Cooper, and the

article appears in

> this month's issue of SPIN magazine.

> 

> I posted the article to the list for comment. All those

who disagree with

> Cooper's assessment should also consider writing to SPIN

to register their

> complaints formally.

> 

Ahh... Sorry about that (sorry Tim.)

So now I realise what all the fuss is about the article.

Since by all sounds SPIN are (in Bill Hick's immortal words)

"Suckers of satan's cock" I doubt I'll be buying the issue

should it even appear on this side of the Atlantic.  Still

seems wierd that Ginsberg got so much media coverage, but

Burroughs just sank without a sign.  Probable because I was

in Belize when it happened, but still...

 

Tom. H.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

"A Bear of Very Little Brain"

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Date:         Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:47:43 -0400

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The Ginsberg documentary on American Masters

was very good.  I found myself reading along

with Howl.  Ginsberg was a nice fellow and

Howl is a masterpiece.

 

Mike Rice

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Date:         Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:42:12 -0700

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Mike Rice wrote:

> 

> The Ginsberg documentary on American Masters

> was very good.  I found myself reading along

> with Howl.  Ginsberg was a nice fellow and

> Howl is a masterpiece.

> 

> Mike Rice

 

I really enjoyed the documentary too.  Near the end, he seemed to read

quite a bit from Cosmopolitan Greetings.  What really hit me were his

last words: "Allen Ginsberg warms you: Do not follow my path to

extinction."  Does anyone know what poem this is the ending to?

DC

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Life & Times

In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:14:28 -0400 from <stutz@DSL.ORG>

 

The PBS stations are selling the tape of the broadcast for $29.  Contact your l

ocal pbs station.

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      rInAlDo!!! r u there?

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rinaldo: i have lost the bookmark for your web site. could you or any

one else getting spammed kindly send the address?

many thanks

mc

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Subject:      Re: Kerouac in New Yorker

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At 09:04 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:

>> 

>> Anyone know anything about this?

>> 

>> Is Brinkley the literary executor?

>> 

>Brinkley is currently writing the "authorized" biography of Kerouac, and

>is also editing Kerouac's journals for publication.  In addition, because

>of Ann Charters schedule committments, apparently he may take her place

>and edit the second volume of Kerouac letters.

> 

Brinkley is indeed writing the authorized biography. He is also editing the

Kerouac journals which will appear in three separate books over the years.

Ann Charters is still the editor of the second volume of selected letters.

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     The poem is "After Lalon" from Cosmopolitan Greetings.

     Interesting note: in the selected poems this last stanza is

     edited out. It would be interesting to find out why.

 

     Sean D. Young

     syoung@dsw.com

 

 

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Subject: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg (was Re: something to SPIN...

Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    9/17/97 10:42 PM

 

 

Mike Rice wrote:

> 

> The Ginsberg documentary on American Masters

> was very good.  I found myself reading along

> with Howl.  Ginsberg was a nice fellow and

> Howl is a masterpiece.

> 

> Mike Rice

 

I really enjoyed the documentary too.  Near the end, he seemed to read

quite a bit from Cosmopolitan Greetings.  What really hit me were his

last words: "Allen Ginsberg warms you: Do not follow my path to

extinction."  Does anyone know what poem this is the ending to?

DC

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: SPIN

 

Dr. Adam,

 

I must say that I agree with you about the Spin article, but please don't

lump all of children of gen. X fame into the same category. "Punk" kids

aren't the only ones who spend their time at coffeehouses. Personally, i find

it a productive enviornment for poets and kids trying to break from the

traditions of yore. I go for the open mics, a chance to read my poetry and be

recieved. Its an intimate atmosphere, hazy and warm. As for the article,

you're right about ignoring it, but please don't shove kids like me in that

psuedo-intellectual, post-punk, diseased set simply because we congregate in

coffeehouses. Thanks, and I really back your opinion save the coffehouse bit,

your insight has value.

 

                                                        Thank you again,

                                                          ~~Marlene

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From:         "Alcock, Denis" <alcockd@BESTWESTERN.COM>

Subject:      Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

 

I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.

As some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about

15-20 minutes edited from the original film.  The most priceless portion

of the entire film wasn't shown on PBS.  The scene involved AG chanting

and playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show.  AG was totally

into his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled

AG on the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes

interact.

 

 

Denis Alcock

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     FYI:

 

     This Blake poem is on the plaque outside the

     Allen Ginsberg library at Naropa.

     I also read a Dylan interview by Jonathan Cott

     (from Rolling Stone 1978) where Dylan quotes

     this poem and mentions that Ginsberg was

     always quoting that poem to him.

 

     SDY

     syoung@dsw.com

 

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Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    9/17/97 11:59 PM

 

 

Finally, my chance to make the PhD. pay off...

 

Somebody on one of these two lists (I've lost the original post) asked

about a Blake quatrain and provided the last two lines...

 

The quote is from Blake's poem *Eternity*, collected in his *Notebook Poems

and Fragments *c.* 1789-93*.  It's a single quatrain and can be found on

page 153 of the *Complete Poems*, published by Penquin and edited by Alicia

Ostriker.

 

It goes,

 

 

ETERNITY

 

 

He who binds to himself a joy

Does the winged life destroy

But he who kisses the joy as it flies

Lives in eternity's sun rise

 

 

 

(In the first draft, Blake had "binds himself to a joy" in line 1; "But he

who just kisses..." in line three; and "Lives in an eternal sun rise" in

the final line.)

 

Hope this helps.

 

--John

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From:         Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Death stalking around my door/long/true/personal

 

 A friend of mine died this summer, real freak accident, got hit by the back

door of a truck as she walking alongside the road. Hadn't talked to her in

about a year. I was worried about her she'd dropped out of college was into a

lot of drugs, but i had the insane notion that i might eventually run into

her or call her sometime. then, poof she dies. put a lot into perspective for

me. i don't have any children (of my own) to look at for answers, but i am so

more aware of my own mortality. i can admit  that it scares me. there's a

poem in that too. i wrote a kind of elegy for my friend and dived deep into

Ginsberg's elegies for Neal Cassady for support as well as inspiration and

guidance. They are so touching and haunting and sad. I guess the only thing

we can do is celebrate life because we haven't died yet. Grab onto to things,

"share the moon" like Yan said. We can all share tragedy as well, thats why

we're human.

I have so many things I wished i'd said to her or i'd wished i'd done, but

the bottomline is its real, and it could happen to me or somebody else i

love. but, i can't live everyday afraid, so i'll delight in the little

nothings; a cigarette with a cup of coffee,the way the sky looks before it

rains, full moons, my little brother's goofy faces, life in general. I'll

hold it along with the memory of my friend.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Marlene~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From:         Jonathan Pickle <jrpick@MAILA.WM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

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At 09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

>I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.

>As some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about

>15-20 minutes edited from the original film.  The most priceless portion

>of the entire film wasn't shown on PBS.  The scene involved AG chanting

>and playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show.  AG was totally

>into his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled

>AG on the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes

>interact.

> 

> 

>Denis Alcock

> 

Is there a way we can get ahold of the full footage.  Is the footage you

are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?

 

 

                                                -Jon

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     The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:

 

     Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson

 

     you can purchase a copy from First Run Features by calling

     1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.

     This is the one that was shown in theaters, I have rented it

     from my local art theatre/video place.

     It does have the Buckley footage.

     Note:

     When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at Naropa in '94

     Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the film which was

     basically the extended Ginsberg and Burroughs dialogue.

     It was great.

     Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?

 

     SDY

     syoung@dsw.com

     ______________________________ Reply Separator

     _________________________________

     Subject: Re: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    9/18/97 12:50 PM

 

 

At 09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

>I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre. >As

some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about >15-20

minutes edited from the original film.  The most priceless portion >of the

entire film wasn't shown on PBS.  The scene involved AG chanting >and

playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show.  AG was totally >into

his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG on

the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.

> 

> 

>Denis Alcock

> 

Is there a way we can get ahold of the full footage.  Is the footage you

are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?

 

 

                                                -Jon

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      A Proletarian Writer.

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        KEEp THE RED FlaG FLYIng

        Only Charles Bukowski could do it.

 

                Burroughs?

                Kerouac?

 

                        No more!

 

        BookList?

 

        WE HAVE ONLY    B U K O W S K I!!!

 

        Only Charles Bukowski could do it.

        Workers!        Save The Workers!!!

 

        Burroughs?

        Kerouac?

 

                No more!!!

 

        ONLY BUKOWSKI!!!

        Save The Factory!

        ONLY BUKOWSKY FOR SALE!!!

 

        (even if Bukowski

        seems artaud,

        or celine)

 

        THIS IS A PROLETARIAN.

        ONE     OF      US!     SAVE OUR LIFE!!!

        Only Charles Bukowski could do it.

 

 

 

Rinaldo.

18th sep 1997

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From:         "Alcock, Denis" <alcockd@BESTWESTERN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

 

I've seen the video at Blockbuster.  I assume it is unedited.

 

Denis Alcock

 

> ----------

> From:         Jonathan Pickle[SMTP:jrpick@MAILA.WM.EDU]

> Reply To:     BEAT-L: Beat Generation List

> Sent:         Thursday, September 18, 1997 9:50 AM

> To:   BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject:      Re: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

> 

> At 09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

> >I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.

> >As some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was

> about

> >15-20 minutes edited from the original film.  The most priceless

> portion

> >of the entire film wasn't shown on PBS.  The scene involved AG

> chanting

> >and playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show.  AG was totally

> >into his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had

> scheduled

> >AG on the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes

> >interact.

> >

> >

> >Denis Alcock

> >

> Is there a way we can get ahold of the full footage.  Is the footage

> you

> are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh

> special?

> 

> 

>                                                 -Jon

> 

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From:         Bruce Hartman <bwhartmanjr@INAME.COM>

Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

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Fellow Beat-l'ers,

 

Man, it's been a long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my

relatively quiet lurk status. . .  absorbing the wonderful conversations

that fill this list.  Thank you All!

 

You might want to check your local library for the full version of "The

Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg."  I've checked out the copy my library has

about 15 times since I found out they had it.  I wouldn't be surprised if

other libs have it stocked on their shelves. . .

 

Has anyone partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies?  Is there one

particular one that out shines the rest?  I'd like to see him move and

speak and be alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.

 

It's funny, I purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months

ago.  One of them kicks ass, the other is so-so.  The thing is, neither of

them show him speaking.  The better of the two has a short sound bite of

him doing a voice over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.

If anyone knows of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love

to barter with you for a copy. . .

 

Until the spirit moves me again,

 

Bruce

bwhartmanjr@iname.com

http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation

 

P.S.  HELLO, Senor Tabory!

 

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> From: Sean Young <syoung@DSW.COM>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Re[2]: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 1:15 PM

> 

>      The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:

> 

>      Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson

> 

>      you can purchase a copy from First Run Features by calling

>      1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.

>      This is the one that was shown in theaters, I have rented it

>      from my local art theatre/video place.

>      It does have the Buckley footage.

>      Note:

>      When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at Naropa in '94

>      Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the film which was

>      basically the extended Ginsberg and Burroughs dialogue.

>      It was great.

>      Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?

> 

>      SDY

>      syoung@dsw.com

>      ______________________________ Reply Separator

>      _________________________________

>      Subject: Re: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

> Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at

Internet

> Date:    9/18/97 12:50 PM

> 

> 

> At 09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

> >I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.

>As

> some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about

>15-20

> minutes edited from the original film.  The most priceless portion >of

the

> entire film wasn't shown on PBS.  The scene involved AG chanting >and

> playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show.  AG was totally >into

> his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG

on

> the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.

> >

> >

> >Denis Alcock

> >

> Is there a way we can get ahold of the full footage.  Is the footage you

> are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?

> 

> 

>                                                 -Jon

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     Check out "Whatever happened to Kerouac". this is a must-see.

     It shows the Steve Allen appearence in all of it's glory.

     Very good.

 

     SDY

     syoung@dsw.com

 

 

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Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at Internet

Date:    9/18/97 1:43 PM

 

 

Fellow Beat-l'ers,

 

Man, it's been a long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my

relatively quiet lurk status. . .  absorbing the wonderful conversations

that fill this list.  Thank you All!

 

You might want to check your local library for the full version of "The

Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg."  I've checked out the copy my library has

about 15 times since I found out they had it.  I wouldn't be surprised if

other libs have it stocked on their shelves. . .

 

Has anyone partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies?  Is there one

particular one that out shines the rest?  I'd like to see him move and

speak and be alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.

 

It's funny, I purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months

ago.  One of them kicks ass, the other is so-so.  The thing is, neither of

them show him speaking.  The better of the two has a short sound bite of

him doing a voice over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.

If anyone knows of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love

to barter with you for a copy. . .

 

Until the spirit moves me again,

 

Bruce

bwhartmanjr@iname.com

http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation

 

P.S.  HELLO, Senor Tabory!

 

----------

> From: Sean Young <syoung@DSW.COM>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Re[2]: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 1:15 PM

> 

>      The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:

> 

>      Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson

> 

>      you can purchase a copy from First Run Features by calling

>      1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.

>      This is the one that was shown in theaters, I have rented it

>      from my local art theatre/video place.

>      It does have the Buckley footage.

>      Note:

>      When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at Naropa in '94

>      Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the film which was

>      basically the extended Ginsberg and Burroughs dialogue.

>      It was great.

>      Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?

> 

>      SDY

>      syoung@dsw.com

>      ______________________________ Reply Separator

>      _________________________________

>      Subject: Re: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg

> Author:  "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> at

Internet

> Date:    9/18/97 12:50 PM

> 

> 

> At 09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

> >I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.

>As

> some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about

>15-20

> minutes edited from the original film.  The most priceless portion >of

the

> entire film wasn't shown on PBS.  The scene involved AG chanting >and

> playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show.  AG was totally >into

> his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG

on

> the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.

> >

> >

> >Denis Alcock

> >

> Is there a way we can get ahold of the full footage.  Is the footage you

> are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?

> 

> 

>                                                 -Jon

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At 11:15 AM 9/18/97 -0600, you wrote:

>     The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:

> 

>     Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson

> 

>     you can purchase a copy from First Run Features by calling

>     1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.

>     This is the one that was shown in theaters, I have rented it

>     from my local art theatre/video place.

>     It does have the Buckley footage.

>     Note:

>     When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at Naropa in '94

>     Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the film which was

>     basically the extended Ginsberg and Burroughs dialogue.

>     It was great.

>     Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?

> 

>     SDY

>     syoung@dsw.com

>     ______________________________ Reply Separator

>     _________________________________

 

I received a copy of a catalog from the old 1800Kerouac bookstore in CA.  I

believe it has changed its name to Fog City Books.  You can find it on the

web to get the phone.  _Pull My Daisy_ was in the catolog for 39.95 plus

shipping and all.  That was in May and they said they had limited copies.

I didn't have enough money to pay for it so I didn't.  I don't know if its

still available.

 

                                                -Jon

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Today as I stood in my hometown's major used bookstore, I faced a literary

feast.  Last night the proprietor called to let me know that he had just

purchased a fairly large collection of Beat literature.  So today, as the

store opened, I stood in front of a selection of first edition Kerouac's,

Burroughs, and Ginsberg (1).  Needless to say, I couldn't afford any of

the first ed.s.  Ouch!

 

Anyhow, I ended up purchasing many first or second printing paperbacks.

I know that some of you must have experienced the dismay that I felt this

morning, while glancing at some of the Kerouac covers.  For instance, my

edition

of Maggie Cassidy looks like the cover of a Harlequin novel.  Granted, the

publishers wanted to sell books, and so did Kerouac, but it seems to me

that the cover alone could have detracted from the serious literary

contribution he had to make.  In other words, the "hippies" were

purchasing the books, not the professors.  Perhaps that was how Jack

wanted it.

 

As a disclaimer, I would like to add that I used the term "hippie" in

reference to a complaint that Jack once made.  Sorry, I can't remember the

source, but it was something to the effect that all the rich college kids

were buying (Salinger or Capote's?) hardbacks, while only "hippies" were

buying his paperbacks.

 

Do any of you have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works

by tawdry sex covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been

hashed out in the past.)

 

Jenn Thompson

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        Why I choose Black Men for My Lovers    by La Loca

 

        Acid today

        is trendy entertainment

        but in 1967

        Eating it was eucharistic

                and made us fully visionary

 

        My girlfriend and I used to get cranked up

                and we'd land in

                The Haight

                and oh yeah

                The Black Guys Knew Who We Were

                But the white boys were stupid

 

        I started out in San Fernando

                My unmarried mother did not abort me

                because Tijuana was unaffordable

                They stuffed me in a crib of invisibility

                I was bottle-fed germicides and aspirin

                My nannies were cathode tubes

                I reached adolescence, anyway

                Thanks to Bandini and sprinklers

 

        In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane

                and I got real

                I saw Mother Earth and Big Brother

                and

                I clipped my roots which chocked in the

                        concrete

                        of Sunset Boulevard

                to go with my girlfriend

                from Berkeley to San Francisco

                hitchhiking

                and we discovered

                that Spades were groovy

                and

                White boys were mass-produced and

                watered their lawns

                        artificially with long green hoses in

                        West L.A.

 

        There I was, in Avalon Ballroom

                in vintage pink satin, buckskin and

                        patchouli

                        pioneering the sexual

                        revolution

        I used to be the satyr's moll, half-woman

        and in pink satin hung

                loose about me

                like an intention

        I ate lysergic for breakfast, lunch and

                        dinner

                I was a dead-end in the off-limits of

                        The Establishment

                        and morality was open to interpretation

 

        In my neighborhood, if you fucked around, you were a whore

 

        But I was an emigree, now

                I watched the planeloads of white boys fly

                        up from Hamilton High

                They were the vanguard

                        of the Revolution

                They stepped off the plane

                        in threadbare work shirts

                        with rolled-up sleeves

                        and a Shell Oil, a Bankamericar,

                        a mastercharge in their back pocket

                        with their father's name on it

                Planeloads of Revolutionaries

                For matins, they quoted Marcuse and Huey Newton

                For vespers, they instructed young girls from

                        San Fernando to

                        Fuck Everybody

                To not comply, was fascist

        I watched the planeloads of white boys

                fly up from Hamilton High

        All the boys from my high school were shipped to

                Vietnam

        And I was in Berkeley, screwing little white boys

                who were remonstrating for peace

                In bed, the pusillanimous hands of war protestors

                        taught me Marxist philosophy:

                Our neighborhoods are a life sentence

                This was their balling stage and they

                        were politicians

                I was an apparition with orifices

                I knew they were insurance salesmen in their

                        hearts

                And they would all die of attacks

                I went down on them anyway, because I had

                        consciousness

                Verified by my intake of acid

                I was no peasant!

                I went down on little white boys and

                they filled my head with

                        Communism

                They informed me that poor people didn't have

                        money and were oppressed

                Some people were Black and Chicano

                Some women even had illegitimate children

                Meanwhile, my thighs were bloodthirsty

                        whelps

                and could never get enough of anything

        and those little communists were stingy

        I was seventeen

                and wanted to see the world

                My flowering was chemical

                I cut my teeth on promiscuity and medicine

                I stepped through more windowpanes

                        and it really got oracular

        In 1968

        One night

        The shaman laid some holy shit on me and wow

        I knew

        in 1985

                The world would still be white, germicidially

                        white

                That the ethos of affluence

                was an indelible

                white boy trait

                like blue eyes

                That Volkswagons would be traded in for

                        Ferraris

                        and would be driven with the same

                        snotty pluck that sniveled around

                        the doors of Fillmore, looking cool

        I knew those guys, I knew them when they had posters of

                Che Guevara over their bed

                They all had poster of Che Guevara over

                        their bed

                And I looked into Che's black eyes all

                        night while I lay in those beds,

                        ignored

        Now these guys have names on doors on the 18th floor of

                towers in Encino

                They have ex-wives and dope connections.

        Even my girlfriend married a condo owner in Van Nuys.

 

        In proper white Marxist theoretician nomenclature, I was

                a tramp.

        The rich girls were called "liberated."

 

        I was a female for San Fernando

                and the San Francisco Black Men and I

                had a lot in common

                Eyes, for example

                dilated

                with the opacity of "fuck you"

                I saw them and they saw me

                We didn't need an ophthalmologist to get it on

                We laid each other on a foundation of

                        visibility

                and our fuck

                was no hypothesis

 

        Now that I was worldly

                I wanted to correct

                the nervous blue eyes who flew up from

                Brentwood

        to see Hendrix

        but

        when I stared into them

        They always lost focus

        and got lighter and lighter

        and

        No wonder Malcolm called them Devils.

 

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     SNIP-OROONEY

>Do any of you have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works

>by tawdry sex covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been

>hashed out in the past.)

 

>Jenn Thompson

     END SNIP-OROONEY

 

     I, for one, like them.  You have to consider the times, the target,

     and the companies involved.  The Subterraneans cover (one of my

     favorites) looks like it should, a dime store novel--a la Junkie and

     Queer (excellent "trashy" covers as well--and befitting it's theme.

     Kitsch, trash, whatever you call, it was "sensational" then and it's

     nostalgic now.

 

     I am, and will always be a Kerouac fan, he was a literary pioneer, one

     of the best writers (IMVHO) that ever lived, a giant.  He was not;

     however, ever marketed as such.  Like Celine, Jack wrote for the

     masses, not for the critics--I actually believe that Jack stuck to his

     vision (with notable exceptions) and wrote for himself.

 

     love and tawdry lilies,

 

     matt h.

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MATT HANNAN wrote:

> 

>      SNIP-OROONEY The Subterraneans cover (one of my

>      favorites) looks like it should, a dime store novel--a la Junkie and

>      Queer (excellent "trashy" covers as well--and befitting it's theme.

>      Kitsch, trash, whatever you call, it was "sensational" then and it's

>      nostalgic now.

 

Speaking of Dimestores, i got a paperback copy (not 1st edition) of

Desolation Angels at Goodwill today for a dime.

 

dbr

> 

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At 01:43 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Fellow Beat-l'ers,

> 

>Man, it's been a long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my

>relatively quiet lurk status. . .  absorbing the wonderful conversations

>that fill this list.  Thank you All!

> 

>You might want to check your local library for the full version of "The

>Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg."  I've checked out the copy my library has

>about 15 times since I found out they had it.  I wouldn't be surprised if

>other libs have it stocked on their shelves. . .

> 

>Has anyone partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies?  Is there one

>particular one that out shines the rest?  I'd like to see him move and

>speak and be alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.

> 

>It's funny, I purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months

>ago.  One of them kicks ass, the other is so-so.  The thing is, neither of

>them show him speaking.  The better of the two has a short sound bite of

>him doing a voice over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.

>If anyone knows of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love

>to barter with you for a copy. . .

> 

>Until the spirit moves me again,

> 

>Bruce

>bwhartmanjr@iname.com

>http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation

> 

>P.S.  HELLO, Senor Tabory!

> 

Ive got a copy of the John Antonelli video from Mystic Fire and its pretty

good, it's got some live footage of JK and other commentary by AG and other

beats.  It's about 70 minutes long and sells for around 30.00 dollars.

Call them or write back to the list.

 

                                                        -Jon

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I started out in San Fernando

                My unmarried mother did not abort me

                because Tijuana was unaffordable

                They stuffed me in a crib of invisibility

                I was bottle-fed germicides and aspirin

                My nannies were cathode tubes

                I reached adolescence, anyway

                Thanks to Bandini and sprinklers

 

        In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane

                and I got real

                I saw Mother Earth and Big Brother

 

i love these metaphors and images. so real. i too was stuffed in a crib

of invisibility, tvs were my nannies, and i too stepped through that

windowpane(wonderful word play).

thanks for the pome of the day, rinaldo

mc

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Subject:      Kaddish and Life&Times

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I saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg  last night on PBS.  It was great.

I especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish.  It gave

me new insights into this poem.  Does anyone know where I could get an audio

recording of Kaddish?

 

 

Aaron F. Sinkovich

sinkovia@mnsfld.edu

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac book covers

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I love those trashy covers.  In fact, I've sent one to Paul Maher to post on th

e Kerouac Quarterly web site.  Look forward to a wonderful cover from a British

 edition of Tristessa.

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Aaron Sinkovich wrote:

> 

> I saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg  last night on PBS.  It was great.

> I especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish.  It gave

> me new insights into this poem.  Does anyone know where I could get an audio

> recording of Kaddish?

> 

> Aaron F. Sinkovich

> sinkovia@mnsfld.edu

 

60 minute version in the four CD boxset

"Allen Ginsberg, Holy Soul Jelly Roll Poems and Songs 1949-1993"

produced by Hal Willner

Rhino/Wordbeat

 

dbr

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aaron

as far as i know the only (??) complete recorded versionof "kaddish" is on

AG's _holy soul jelly roll_ box set (available on CD and cassette) and

"kaddish" alone runs around 60 minutes

hope that helps

derek

 

On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Aaron Sinkovich wrote:

 

> 

> I saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg  last night on PBS.  It was great.

> I especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish.  It gave

> me new insights into this poem.  Does anyone know where I could get an audio

> recording of Kaddish?

> 

> 

> Aaron F. Sinkovich

> sinkovia@mnsfld.edu

> 

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At 03:48 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg  last night on PBS.  It was great.

>I especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish.  It gave

>me new insights into this poem.  Does anyone know where I could get an audio

>recording of Kaddish?

> 

> 

>Aaron F. Sinkovich

>sinkovia@mnsfld.edu

> 

There is a 4CD box set of Allen reciting his poetry.  It includes Kaddish

and Howl and many others.  I believe on two of he discs Bob Dylan plays in

the back.  Though I'm not sure if the Dylan albums with Ginsberg are the

same as these.  The box set sells for around 50.00 dollars.

                                                                -Jon

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Subject:      Re: Kaddish and Life&Times

 

Dear Aaron, (and beat list)

 

I saw special last night, blown away, what a great poet!

 

My company Words on Wheels

distributes poetry recordings

We have Kaddish on

Holy Soul Jelly Roll (Rhino Records)

It's a 4 CD set

Kaddish length is listed as 63:24

also has Howl

includes booklet

with photos and track by track

commentary by Ginsberg.

 

List price in stores is 49.98

Special beat list price

including shipping, handling,

and tax is 40.00

you may pay by credit card

or if you prefer

I will send it to you COD

if you have any questions

you can reach me during the day

at 415.892.0158

or at home 415.221.6197

 

Gary Glazner

Words on Wheels

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On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:

 

> of OTR and the Beats.  Having heard the story that Kerouac typed

> the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced

> the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.

 

Was this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I

couldn't see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown

paper, as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.

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At 04:56 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:

> 

>> of OTR and the Beats.  Having heard the story that Kerouac typed

>> the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced

>> the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.

> 

>Was this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I

>couldn't see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown

>paper, as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.

> 

Ive always heard that he typed OTR as he typed many of his ms on teletype

paper from the begining and that the toilet paper story is

misinterpretation.  I could be wrong.

 

                                                -Jon

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Jonathan Pickle wrote:

> 

> At 11:15 AM 9/18/97 -0600, you wrote:

> >     The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:

> >

> >     Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson

> >

> >     you can purchase a copy from First Run Features by calling

> >     1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.

> >     This is the one that was shown in theaters, I have rented it

> >     from my local art theatre/video place.

> >     It does have the Buckley footage.

> >     Note:

> >     When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at Naropa in '94

> >     Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the film which was

> >     basically the extended Ginsberg and Burroughs dialogue.

> >     It was great.

> >     Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?

> >

> >     SDY

> >     syoung@dsw.com

> >     ______________________________ Reply Separator

> >     _________________________________

> 

> I received a copy of a catalog from the old 1800Kerouac bookstore in CA.  I

> believe it has changed its name to Fog City Books.  You can find it on the

> web to get the phone.  _Pull My Daisy_ was in the catolog for 39.95 plus

> shipping and all.  That was in May and they said they had limited copies.

> I didn't have enough money to pay for it so I didn't.  I don't know if its

> still available.

> 

>                                                 -Jon

 

I just got back from Borders Bookstore here in Indianapolis and I

ordered a copy of "What Happened to Kerouac?" for $69.95 directly from

the video company.  I hear it's a very good flick and it came highly

recommended as opposed to the all-actors "Kerouac."

 

Eric Macy

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Subject:      Re: something to SPIN...

 

Diane & Co.:

 

Before I could vent my utter disgust at the (both mercifully and insultingly)

brief article  by Dennis Cooper in SPIN, I was Beaten to it, the List was

already inflamed with righteously indignant responses.  Howard Park put it

succinctly in its place as the pitiful product of "....just one guy musing

about his poorly formed impressions rather than anything resembling

journalism".  I won't preach to the choir, many List members have already

detailed the infinite distance between this throwaway blurb and the true

extent and significance of WSB's achievements.  Real constructive criticism

based on a thorough knowledge of what is being criticized is one thing, WSB's

life and work are not above that, he spent his life in the arena and lived

long enough to see the deepest extremes of revulsion and admiration in

reaction to his actions and words.  But this kind of clueless criticism is

inexcusable, it would have been better to print nothing, to paraphrase

Timothy Hoffman. Through it all, he remained "100% himself", as Sean Young

pointed out. The phrase "come or go....the dead and the junky don't care",

from NAKED LUNCH, comes to mind.  That is his answer to "I suspect even he

didn't know why he was famous anymore", he NEVER CARED IN THE FIRST PLACE and

quietly progressed on his path, for the benefit of those willing to take the

time and effort to understand his ingenious use (and usurpation) of language

and appreciate his profound humor, imagination and wisdom.  He was

indifferent to the cult hoopla that surrounded him, especially in his later

years.  I could see this myself when I visited him.  All of that will largely

fall away, leaving his works to speak for him and stand the test of time.

 

The shame of such an article is that, in our media-sodden, history-less and

disposable society, it will be the first, and unfortunately in some cases

last, impression that some young readers will have of WSB.  Hopefully,

readers who are introduced to him through this dismissive little piece of

junkfood journalism will not be discouraged, and go further to see for

themselves what he was really all about.

 

"SMASH THE CONTROL IMAGES"

 

Regards,

 

Arthur

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Thought someone might find this interesting.  This review comes from a

British mag called The Face.  Don't know the year it was reviewed or if

The Face is still around.

 

Pg. 24  CINEMA

"As literary biographies go, the movie-collage WHAT HAPPENED TO KEROUAC?

(at the ICA cinema, London SW1 form Oct 9) is a very High School

reunion.  But the makers do not shirk their interrogatory

responsibilities or pamper the Beat babe, and what emerges is not just a

paunch-and-all portrait but a cautionary American fable.  Interviewer

(and co-producer, co-director) Lewis MacAdams has squeezed a spectrum of

blab from just about every Head sill extant.  (You can play an I Spy

game of spotting Who's a Casualty of What) Gregory Corso comes across as

an unashamed souse;  Allen Ginsberg still looping the latest loop;

Kerouac's first wife Edie insufferable.  Of all the faces William

Burroughs' is the best preserved; his wits ditto.  Fran Landesman

pre-empts the film autopsy with her analysis - the good depressive

Catholic boy couldn't top himself straight off so instigated a long

"slow suicide" downing the booze, drowning in booze.  MacAdams (and

co-director Richard Lerner) show us the disintegrated, horribly bloated

death's-door Kerouac upfront.  "I got arrested recently; this policeman

said, 'I'm arresting you for decay'."  The inescapable conclusion is

that this most celebrated of modern speed nomads never left home.  Mom,

the Church and Decency flapped around his swollen head like bats.  He

fell into his own auto-obituary definition of the Generation he

launched;  "You end up Beat, Beaten."  Yep, the Elvis Presley of Poetry.

 But in the young face you can see the mythic lure, and in the readings

of his own work even noon-fans might catch a beat of the over reaching

rhythm that fired him for a while."

 

 

-mark

 

mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com

 

>>> Eric Macy <rodmacy@IQUEST.NET> 09/18/97 04:27pm >>>

 

 

I just got back from Borders Bookstore here in Indianapolis and I

ordered a copy of "What Happened to Kerouac?" for $69.95 directly from

the video company.  I hear it's a very good flick and it came highly

recommended as opposed to the all-actors "Kerouac."

 

Eric Macy

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At 12:50 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:

>At 09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.

>>As some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about

>>15-20 minutes edited from the original film.  The most priceless portion

>>of the entire film wasn't shown on PBS.  The scene involved AG chanting

>>and playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show.  AG was totally

>>into his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled

>>AG on the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes

>>interact.

>> 

>> 

>>Denis Alcock

>> 

>Is there a way we can get ahold of the full footage.  Is the footage you

>are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?

> 

> 

>                                                -Jon

> 

> 

The documentary this was made from must have had some circulation

as a videocassette.  Perhaps someone like Home Film Festival is

renting it for a price.  Their phone number to rent any film for

about $10 a pop is 800-258-3456.  Also, really large multi-faceted

video stores in major cities could have it.  I just called HFF.  The

original name of the film is The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg. Its

82 minutes long, includes the 20 minutes missing from the PBS show, and

can be rented by establishing credit with Home Film Festival. The film

was released in 1993.  I also saw an advertisement for something called

Kaddish in their brochure which could be about Allen's poem.  And I

suspect you can get the Kerouac documentary from these folks too, if

you can remember the name of it.

 

Mike Rice

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At 04:56 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:

> 

>> of OTR and the Beats.  Having heard the story that Kerouac typed

>> the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced

>> the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.

> 

>Was this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I

>couldn't see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown

>paper, as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.

> 

> 

Someone has corrected me on this.  It was actually telegraph paper or an

Associated

Press roll of connected sheets.  I think it still exists somewhere.  Of course,

it must have been transcribed to some other medium at some point.  I think

there is a touch of legend in the whole story anyway, though I have no doubt

Kerouac wrote the story out on connected sheets at some point.  I am sure other

people in this group know aspects of this story that I missed.

 

Mike Rice

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>Was this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission? I

>couldn't see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown

>paper, as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.

 

     Capote made this statement, as I have heard, after hearing of Jack's

     method of typing on the teletype roll in a nonstop benny rush.  Most

     of the biographers I have read made a point of saying that Jack did

     take the teletype roll to Bob Giroux and display it in a grand

     flourish....Giroux reportedly replied "I can't work with this" which,

     some have supposed, meant the teletype roll but Jack is said to have

     taken it as a rejection of the work.

 

     As best I can reckon,

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt h.

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Subject:      Re: Death Stalking.... (my 3rd attempt!)

 

Listers... pardon me if this has already gone through, but I'm not getting any

acknowledgements....  ---Wes

-----------------------------------------------

 

Hey, Bentz...

Just wanted to express my sympathy.  Seems I go through something like what

you're going through every ten years or so.  First was when my grandfather died-

-he'd been the best friend a troubled surfer kid in San Diego could have through

childhood.  His sudden death from pancreatic cancer devastated me in my third

year of college and had more to do with my dropping out than I seem willing to

admit.  Two weeks later, a close friend I'd known since 9th grade committed

suicide.

 

About 10 or 11 years later, a musical artist I'd felt an affinity with died at

age 42, unexpectedly, leaving a young wife and kids without insurance or

protection.  A month later, I learned that my mentor through grad school, a

wonderful teacher and scholar who took me to dinner to celebrate my successful

defense of my master's thesis, died in her sleep of a brain hemmorage.  The very

next day, I got a call telling me that two close friends from high school had

both died.  One was a guy who had always claimed he'd be dead before he was 35.

 

 

He is.  The other was a girl I'd dated and was for many reasons very special to

me, although I haven't spoken with her in years.  A week later, a guy I worked

with died in a plane crash-- slammed into the side of a mountain while

sightseeing in the mountains of Alaska.  The weight of it all seemed unbearable.

 

 

The weight of it all... it's such an apt image.  The inertia of death is a

greater force than gravity.

 

Such times are sobering.  I know what you feel, and your expression of your

feelings touches me.  We're kindred spirits.

 

Peace, my friend.  Let peace reign supreme in your heart today.

 

---Wes

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At 01:00 PM 9/18/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Today as I stood in my hometown's major used bookstore, I faced a literary

>feast.  Last night the proprietor called to let me know that he had just

>purchased a fairly large collection of Beat literature.  So today, as the

>store opened, I stood in front of a selection of first edition Kerouac's,

>Burroughs, and Ginsberg (1).  Needless to say, I couldn't afford any of

>the first ed.s.  Ouch!

> 

>Anyhow, I ended up purchasing many first or second printing paperbacks.

>I know that some of you must have experienced the dismay that I felt this

>morning, while glancing at some of the Kerouac covers.  For instance, my

>edition

>of Maggie Cassidy looks like the cover of a Harlequin novel.  Granted, the

>publishers wanted to sell books, and so did Kerouac, but it seems to me

>that the cover alone could have detracted from the serious literary

>contribution he had to make.  In other words, the "hippies" were

>purchasing the books, not the professors.  Perhaps that was how Jack

>wanted it.

> 

>As a disclaimer, I would like to add that I used the term "hippie" in

>reference to a complaint that Jack once made.  Sorry, I can't remember the

>source, but it was something to the effect that all the rich college kids

>were buying (Salinger or Capote's?) hardbacks, while only "hippies" were

>buying his paperbacks.

> 

>Do any of you have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works

>by tawdry sex covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been

>hashed out in the past.)

> 

>Jenn Thompson

> 

> 

This is a subject that interests me.  In the early fifties, the emerging

paperback houses were putting tawdry covers on classic books.  If this

eventually happened to some of the beat titles, it would be interesting

to see what prostituted form they took.  Someone ought to publish a book

of tawdry paperback cover art, by itself.  I have a 1949 copy of Orwell's

1984, with some Sci-Fi futuristic art on the cover that I think is quite

good and quite interesting.

 

Mike Rice

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This is quite a wonderful little narrative.  Tell me who

this La Loca is and what she is doing these days?

 

Mike Rice

 

 

At 07:54 PM 9/18/97 +0200, you wrote:

>        Why I choose Black Men for My Lovers    by La Loca

> 

>        Acid today

>        is trendy entertainment

>        but in 1967

>        Eating it was eucharistic

>                and made us fully visionary

> 

>        My girlfriend and I used to get cranked up

>                and we'd land in

>                The Haight

>                and oh yeah

>                The Black Guys Knew Who We Were

>                But the white boys were stupid

> 

>        I started out in San Fernando

>                My unmarried mother did not abort me

>                because Tijuana was unaffordable

>                They stuffed me in a crib of invisibility

>                I was bottle-fed germicides and aspirin

>                My nannies were cathode tubes

>                I reached adolescence, anyway

>                Thanks to Bandini and sprinklers

> 

>        In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane

>                and I got real

>                I saw Mother Earth and Big Brother

>                and

>                I clipped my roots which chocked in the

>                        concrete

>                        of Sunset Boulevard

>                to go with my girlfriend

>                from Berkeley to San Francisco

>                hitchhiking

>                and we discovered

>                that Spades were groovy

>                and

>                White boys were mass-produced and

>                watered their lawns

>                        artificially with long green hoses in

>                        West L.A.

> 

>        There I was, in Avalon Ballroom

>                in vintage pink satin, buckskin and

>                        patchouli

>                        pioneering the sexual

>                        revolution

>        I used to be the satyr's moll, half-woman

>        and in pink satin hung

>                loose about me

>                like an intention

>        I ate lysergic for breakfast, lunch and

>                        dinner

>                I was a dead-end in the off-limits of

>                        The Establishment

>                        and morality was open to interpretation

> 

>        In my neighborhood, if you fucked around, you were a whore

> 

>        But I was an emigree, now

>                I watched the planeloads of white boys fly

>                        up from Hamilton High

>                They were the vanguard

>                        of the Revolution

>                They stepped off the plane

>                        in threadbare work shirts

>                        with rolled-up sleeves

>                        and a Shell Oil, a Bankamericar,

>                        a mastercharge in their back pocket

>                        with their father's name on it

>                Planeloads of Revolutionaries

>                For matins, they quoted Marcuse and Huey Newton

>                For vespers, they instructed young girls from

>                        San Fernando to

>                        Fuck Everybody

>                To not comply, was fascist

>        I watched the planeloads of white boys

>                fly up from Hamilton High

>        All the boys from my high school were shipped to

>                Vietnam

>        And I was in Berkeley, screwing little white boys

>                who were remonstrating for peace

>                In bed, the pusillanimous hands of war protestors

>                        taught me Marxist philosophy:

>                Our neighborhoods are a life sentence

>                This was their balling stage and they

>                        were politicians

>                I was an apparition with orifices

>                I knew they were insurance salesmen in their

>                        hearts

>                And they would all die of attacks

>                I went down on them anyway, because I had

>                        consciousness

>                Verified by my intake of acid

>                I was no peasant!

>                I went down on little white boys and

>                they filled my head with

>                        Communism

>                They informed me that poor people didn't have

>                        money and were oppressed

>                Some people were Black and Chicano

>                Some women even had illegitimate children

>                Meanwhile, my thighs were bloodthirsty

>                        whelps

>                and could never get enough of anything

>        and those little communists were stingy

>        I was seventeen

>                and wanted to see the world

>                My flowering was chemical

>                I cut my teeth on promiscuity and medicine

>                I stepped through more windowpanes

>                        and it really got oracular

>        In 1968

>        One night

>        The shaman laid some holy shit on me and wow

>        I knew

>        in 1985

>                The world would still be white, germicidially

>                        white

>                That the ethos of affluence

>                was an indelible

>                white boy trait

>                like blue eyes

>                That Volkswagons would be traded in for

>                        Ferraris

>                        and would be driven with the same

>                        snotty pluck that sniveled around

>                        the doors of Fillmore, looking cool

>        I knew those guys, I knew them when they had posters of

>                Che Guevara over their bed

>                They all had poster of Che Guevara over

>                        their bed

>                And I looked into Che's black eyes all

>                        night while I lay in those beds,

>                        ignored

>        Now these guys have names on doors on the 18th floor of

>                towers in Encino

>                They have ex-wives and dope connections.

>        Even my girlfriend married a condo owner in Van Nuys.

> 

>        In proper white Marxist theoretician nomenclature, I was

>                a tramp.

>        The rich girls were called "liberated."

> 

>        I was a female for San Fernando

>                and the San Francisco Black Men and I

>                had a lot in common

>                Eyes, for example

>                dilated

>                with the opacity of "fuck you"

>                I saw them and they saw me

>                We didn't need an ophthalmologist to get it on

>                We laid each other on a foundation of

>                        visibility

>                and our fuck

>                was no hypothesis

> 

>        Now that I was worldly

>                I wanted to correct

>                the nervous blue eyes who flew up from

>                Brentwood

>        to see Hendrix

>        but

>        when I stared into them

>        They always lost focus

>        and got lighter and lighter

>        and

>        No wonder Malcolm called them Devils.

> 

> 

> 

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> From: Sean Young <syoung@DSW.COM>

> 

> Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 12:15 PM

>      Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?

> 

Write to Beat Books, PO Box 5813, Berkeley, CA 94705.  I got a copy from

him a year or so ago.

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I can picture the columbia scene you find yourself in Bentz. I lived there

for a while. Loved and married an incredibly talented lyric

soprano/pianist. We met at Boston University. Me fresh from the Korean War,

she protected, every need met, lovely, but part of an elite white

population, maids, all of that. allof that but good, decent people. Future

mother in law, a gentle dear person, thought I needed a suit. I wouldn't

spend money on it. Future wife prevailed, "Let mom buy you a simple suit."

I relented. The next morning the racks to choose from were in the living

room. Hard to believe how some live.

 

It was too much. But, we married. It didn't last. the differences were too

great.

But during that period, the person that seemed to spend time in my mind,

was that tiny little women who came out of the  Black back-street Columbia

and told them all there wasn't anything she couldn't deal with and survive.

She was tough, talented, a joy to read and to listen too. Eartha Kitt.

Neither Presidents or whitey could beat her. She was out front, determined

to survive.

 

Every time I read a post from you, from Columbia, wonderful memories rise

up to warm my soul--sometimes even scortch it. A sumertime Columbia sun had

a way of doing that. Particularly when wandered that scrub pine sand hill

country side painting and sketching. The GI Bill didn't pay a Korean vet

much, but in hindsight I should have followed a couple of comrades to

Mexico where the living was cheap and the art scene stimulating.

 

A few months ago my youngest daughter, a cellist, went to an Eartha Kitt

concert in Seattle and sought her out backstage--a skill some musicians

have. Charity told her that she had grown up listening to stories about

Eartha Kitt, and thanked her for her politics, her music, her soul and her

gonads. They talked. EK was touched and gracious. My daughter awed--just as

I always am by sentiment and courage.

 

I wonder about you Bentz. Your poetry says so much for you. Some of it

makes me think: This guy is a lawyer? In Columbia, S.C.?  It can't be easy

pal. For whatever it means to you, I'm impressed. I only know three lawyers

with the cods to send that post. One of them, a tough sentimental, super

sensitve tiger, Bill Kunstler, is gone. I sent your post to one of the

others and he said, "Don't worry. It's those who can't spell it out that

end up fucked up. He's OK."

 

I hope you are.

 

Peace and love,

 

j grant

 

 

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> MATT HANNAN wrote:

> 

>      Capote made this statement, as I have heard, after hearing of

> Jack's

>      method of typing on the teletype roll in a nonstop benny rush.

> Most

>      of the biographers I have read made a point of saying that Jack

> did

>      take the teletype roll to Bob Giroux and display it in a grand

>      flourish....Giroux reportedly replied "I can't work with this"

> which,

>      some have supposed, meant the teletype roll but Jack is said to

> have

>      taken it as a rejection of the work.

 

 

This version of the story is from Joyce Johnson in Minor Characters:

 

"I'd heard a lot about Mr. Giroux even before I came to Farrar, Straus.

He was the editor who had discovered Jack, published The Town and the

City at Harcourt Brace, and even convinced him to revise and cut it.  He

was someone Jack always spoke about with admiration.  'A great French

gentleman,' Jack said, who ate only in the best restaurants.  Once when

Jack was a little drunk, he described Giroux cryptically as 'a great

white panda.'  The two of them had a terrible misunderstanding that went

back six years, to the day Jack finished On the Road.  After typing

nonstop for two weeks in a great burst of spontaneous energy onto the the

huge scroll of teletype paper Lucien had given him, Jack had rolled it

all up, stuck it under his arm, and had taken it immediately to Giroux's

office.  There, he'd triumphantly unfurled the whole thing.  'Here's your

novel!' But Giroux had evidently not responded in the proper joyous

spirit.  Staring in astonishment and dismay at the river of words

flooding his office, he'd wondered aloud how it would ever be possible to

rework it.  Affronted, Jack had shouted that not one word would ever be

changed.  He rolled his manscript up, took it away and never returned.

        Although I did reluctantly see Giroux's side, my

twenty-one-year-old sympathies were with Jack.  The exuberant, outragous

Jack whom I'd only seen traces of now and then.  Mad Jack, impossible

Jack.  The dark young man rushing out with his manuscript, rage in his

blue eyes, walking dazed on the midtown sidewalks where ordinary people

were going about their business.  Jack Kerouac was his own worst enemy,

anyone reasonable would have said.  He should have retyped the thing

properly, double-spaced on fine white bond, then taken it to his editor,

having made an appointment in advance, having taken into account

editorial weariness and bleariness of eye, the tupor that comes after

lunch in the offices of publishers...

        He paid for the mistaken afternoon with six years of rejection

from editors much less imaginative than Giroux, and in his hurt pride

counted Giroux among those others who had rejected On the Road.  But by

1957, the quarrel had become enfolded in the benevolence of the past--a

mock-heroic encounter between the artist/savage and the gentleman.  When

I wrote Jack about my new job, and mentioned meeting his former editor,

he sent friendly messages to Giroux in the letter he wrote back to me,

just as if the two of them had never been out of touch."

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Date:         Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:50:13 UT

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