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To:           Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

 

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 05:20:34 UT

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From:         "Shani St.John" <lawlaw1@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Beat Generation multi-media???

 

Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs? I really want to get some

feed-back before spending the money. Also, I'm looking for more Kerouac spoken

word!  I already own Rhino's JK and Beat Generation compilation. Is there

anything else out there?!

 

Thank You!!!

Shani

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:41:43 EST

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From:         "THE SNARK IS A BOOJUM...." <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

 

Shani,

 

I received the Kerouac CD-ROM as a present last Xmas time. I really like it,

there are pages in Jack's journals that you can turn, nice narration from

various fellow Beat authors and other goodies. Well worth the price I'd say.

But not cheap.

 

Dave B.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:01:24 -0600

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From:         Cathy Wilkie <cawilkie@COMIC.NET>

Subject:      on bentz's question

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> Subject:

>         Question

>   Date:

>         Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:21:21 -0500

>   From:

>         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

>

>

> Jack Kerouac and Thomas Wolfe have been criticized for being story

> tellers, or just writing down what happened.  It seems to me that there

> is a large element of fiction involved, more than most would like to

> see, but it all is based on reality.

>

> My question is this, my life and the lifes of most people I know have

> some exciting moments, but generally are full of daily routine.  If

> Jack's work is mostly autobiographical, that is actually just telling

> what happened, wouldn't that take a writer of greater statute to be able

> to make everyday life so full, so true and such an inspiration.  I think

> it would, because he would have to actually see, and not imagine.  What

> do you think?

>

> --

>

> Peace,

>

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

 

 

 

 

Bentz:

 

maybe it's just that a lot of us don't slow down often enough to enjoy

the beauty that exists in our everday lives--we're so built into

routine, that we don't see sometimes how beautiful that routine is...

 

cathy

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 07:50:16 -0500

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From:         Bill Morgan <Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bill Morgan's Walking Tour

 

Dear Bill:

Thanks for mentioning the Times article, they did a pretty good job, got most

of the facts straight, etc.  I know we've talked about it privately, but

maybe we should open for discussion which building in New York City should

have a "Ginsberg Lived Here" marker.  I favor the apartment on E. 2nd St.

where he wrote "Kaddish", his greatest poem.  The building where he heard

Blake speak to him is gone.  The 2 apartments they all shared near Columbia

are still there, as is the apartment he spent the last 20 years of his life

in.

Maybe you could tell us how to go about getting landmark status, what agency,

etc.?  While we're at it, the apartment on W 20th St. where Kerouac wrote "On

the Road" should definitely be acknowledged.  Do we dare hope for 2 signs?

Bill Morgan

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:13:33 +0000

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From:         caridade <caridade@MAIL.TELEPAC.PT>

Subject:      Ferlinghetti's The Plough of Time

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The Plough of Time

 

Night closed my windows and

The sky became a crystal house

The crystal windows glowed

The moon

shown through them

through the whole house of crystal

A single star beamed down

its crystal cable

and drew a plough through the earth

unearthing bodies clasped together

couples embracing

around the earth

They clung together everywhere

emitting small cries

that did not reach the stars

The crystal earth turned

and the bodies with it

The stars remained fixed

each with its crystal cable

beamed to earth

each attached to the immense plow

furrowing our lives

 

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well, another day, another week, back to work everyone...

a special salute to Rinaldo (keep those poems coming, my friend)

daniel caridade

caridade@mail.telepac.pt

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:26:20 -0500

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From:         "Paul A. Maher Jr." <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

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At 05:20 AM 12/1/97 UT, you wrote:

>Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs? I really want to get some

>feed-back before spending the money. Also, I'm looking for more Kerouac spoken

>word!  I already own Rhino's JK and Beat Generation compilation. Is there

>anything else out there?!

>

>Thank You!!!

>Shani

>

There is the great cassette set of Visions of Cody with Graham Parker and

David Amram. There is also one forthcoming featuring Kerouac reading On the

Road (I think)and maybe other selections. Hope this helps! Sincerely, Paul

of TKQ.

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:16:26 -0500

Reply-To:     Neil Hennessy <nhenness@uwaterloo.ca>

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From:         Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs archives

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Firstly, I apologize for the message I mistakenly sent to the list that

should have been sent to Howard only.

 

On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, THE SNARK IS A BOOJUM.... wrote:

 

> For those of you who were interested in the Burroughs archives at Ohio State

> University, I may have some information for you soon.James Grauerholz called

 me

> up and asked if I wanted to do some photo reasearch for a new biography on

> Burroughs.Of course I said yes, so I hope to begin soon.The book will be pub-

>  lished by the Bloomsbury Press, same as did the Kerouac book; ANGLEHEADED

>  HIPSTER. As soon as I know more, I will pass it on to everyone.

>   Don't forget to read WSB's Thanksgiving Prayer before dinner tomorrow.

 

What does "photo research" entail? I'd love to find out who the biography

is being written by, and whether or not this will be the "authorized"

biography. Of course, it might be something about the Miles edited "Evil

River: An Autobiography", to be assembled from Burroughs' journal notes in

the 80's.

 

Thanks for letting us know, and looking forward to hearing more.

 

Cheers,

Neil

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:32:45 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Bill Morgan's Walking Tour

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I would go to the Historic Preservation Society or something....

 

 

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Bill Morgan wrote:

 

> Dear Bill:

> Thanks for mentioning the Times article, they did a pretty good job, got most

> of the facts straight, etc.  I know we've talked about it privately, but

> maybe we should open for discussion which building in New York City should

> have a "Ginsberg Lived Here" marker.  I favor the apartment on E. 2nd St.

> where he wrote "Kaddish", his greatest poem.  The building where he heard

> Blake speak to him is gone.  The 2 apartments they all shared near Columbia

> are still there, as is the apartment he spent the last 20 years of his life

> in.

> Maybe you could tell us how to go about getting landmark status, what agency,

> etc.?  While we're at it, the apartment on W 20th St. where Kerouac wrote "On

> the Road" should definitely be acknowledged.  Do we dare hope for 2 signs?

> Bill Morgan

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:33:47 -0500

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From:         "Neil M. Hennessy" <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Burroughs' letters/routines

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Marie asked a question a while back about the appearance of routines in

Burroughs' letters. If you want to trace the development of the routine, I

would suggest that in addition to the Harris edited Letters, you grab a

copy of The Yage Letters, Letters to Allen Ginsberg, and Queer.

 

As far as I know, the first routine Burroughs wrote in that format (with

the exception of the much earlier collaboration with Kells Elvins on

"Roosevelt after Inauguration") appears in the Yage Letters, where he

leaves the letter format to slip into that dry parodic prose detailing his

adventures with the villagers and the medicine men in the jungle towns of

S. America.

 

In Queer, Lee uses routines to try to impress his intended (whose name I

can't recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of

Letters to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.

Perhaps John Hasbrouk can enlighten us about this one? (are you still out

there John?)

 

It's a worthwhile project Marie, and I for one would like to hear your

thoughts whilst in the midst. As far as I'm concerned, it was with the

discovery of the routine that Burroughs became a writer (in his own

formulation, a bull-fighter and not a bull-shitter).

 

Cheers,

Neil

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:25:56 -0500

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Jim Morrison

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>so true- and none of that damn fine music- jack spawned a lot of good things-

>Bob Dylan for one

 

Bob Dylan spawned by the writings of Jack kerouac? Influenced certainly,

but the pre-teen pictures of Dylan and his guitar with well known blues

musicians indicates he was on his way as a musician before he'd read any

Keroauc.

 

j grant

 

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:40:31 -0500

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From:         Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

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> But not cheap.

 

I ordered mine directly from the developer and got it a good 15 or 20

bucks cheaper than Penguin offers it or any retailer would.  They have a

much more nifty online tour of the CD than Penguin as well with many

gankable pictures, sounds, and clips.

 

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kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:30:45 -0500

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From:         "Paul A. Maher Jr." <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      TKQ page updated!

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New page update!

 

    This week, the Some of the Dharma reading will be held at St. Mark's in

New York City....hope to see some of you there. Paul. . .

 

   http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:36:04 EST

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From:         CIRCULATION <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Bill Morgan's Walking Tour

 

BillM.,

 

I just want to second all the good things said about your walking tour.

Whenever I read a biography or some type of non-fiction, I often wonder if a

particular building is still in existence, etc. It is almost an automatic

response. I was glad to see that during my last trip to NYC, there was a plaque

on the building where Henry Miller was born (East 88th St. and York Ave, or

there abouts). History must be preserved, esp in NYC where everything is torn

down to make Yuppie Towers. Good work!

 

Dave Breithaupt

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:18:06 -0800

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From:         Maggie Gerrity <u2ginsberg@YAHOO.COM>

Subject:      beat influence

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  All this talk about Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison has gotten me

thinking about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the

Beats. I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as

Lou Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be

interested to hear the replies!

              Maggie

 

 

 

 

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:27:20 -0800

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From:         Maggie Gerrity <u2ginsberg@YAHOO.COM>

Subject:      lawrence ferlinghetti

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  It's great to see so much about Lawrence Ferlinghetti popping up

lately on the List. After my mentor died, i went through several boxes

of his books and was able to find a very old copy of a Coney Island of

the Mind, the fifth printing, published in 1958 by New Directions.

Ferlinghetti is truly one of the last living Beats, not to mention a

wonderful example of American poetry at its best. Does anyone know if

he still does readings and/or lectures? I'd love to get him to come to

my campus.

  Here's my favorite by Ferlinghetti:

"11"

 

The world is a beautiful place

to be born into

if you don't mind happiness

not always being

so very much fun

if you don't mind a touch of hell

now and then

just when everything is fine

because even in heaven

they don't sing all the time

 

The world is a beautiful place

to be born into

if you don't mind some people dying

all the time

or maybe only starving some of the time

which isn't half so bad

if it isn't you

 

Oh the world is a beautiful place

to be born into

if you don't much mind

a few dead minds

in the higher places

or a bomb or two

now and then

in your upturned faces

or other such improprieties

as our Name Brand society

is prey to

with its men of distinction

and its men of extinction

and its priests

and other patrolmen

and its various segregations

and congressional investigations

and other constipations

that our fool flesh

is heir to

 

Yes, the world is the best place of all

for a lot of such things as

making the fun scene

and making the love scene

and making the sad scene

and singing low songs and having inspirations

and walking around

looking at everything

and smelling flowers

and goosing statues

and even thinking

and kissing people and

making babies and wearing pants

and waving hats and

dancing

and going swimming in rivers

on picnics

in the middle of summer

and just generally

'living it up'

 

Yes

but then right in the middle of it

comes the smiling

mortician

 

Maggie

 

 

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:24:23 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: Jim Morrison

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Murat wrote:

>Hello,

[..]

>At  1970, Jim Morrison  meets beat poet Michael McClure. McClure

>tries to persuade Jim to print his poem book -Gods - New Creatures-.Does

>any one know more about this story..

 

Jim Morrison Interview by Jerry Hopkins - Rolling Stone 26th jul 1969.?

[]yes

[]no

 

> Also what is relation between Jim

>and the beats..

 

1967 Summer of Love?

[]yes

[]no

 

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saluti a tutti da rinaldo

today it's a foggy, rainy venice, italy.

*Hola estimado amigo daniel! have an happy week.*

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:32:48 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      more Re: lawrence ferlinghetti

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13.

For years I never thought of death.

Now the breath

of the eternal harlequin

makes me look up

as if a defrocked Someone were there

who might make me into an angel

playing piano on a riverboat.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:38:14 -0800

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From:         Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Kathy Acker

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I just heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.

I don't know much more -- anybody else?  This was

unexpected to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.

 

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|                                                     |

|     Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |

|      (the beat literature web site)                 |

|                                                     |

|          "Coffeehouse: Writings from the Web"       |

|            (a real book, like on paper)             |

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:41:47 EST

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From:         AngelMindz <AngelMindz@AOL.COM>

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Probably the easiest way to begin answering that question about Beat musical

influences is to send you to Levi Asher's legendary website, Literary Kicks.

 

 <A HREF=" http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ ">Literary Kicks</A> or

http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/

 

There's a list there, and I seem to remember invitations to people to add to

it. So much has happened in music since I was last there, I'm sure the list

has grown considerably.

 

Levi's work is always worth reviewing, and this list is the most comprehensive

one I've seen. I think there are one or two list-members who've done some

research on this topic too, though. Can we hear from them?

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:04:36 -0700

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From:         Matthew Felix <felix@ENGR.ARIZONA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: beat influence

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  maggie,

 

 i would like to offer adam yauch of the beastie boys as representing many

beat qualities. he is constantly on the road, chasing the snow up in the

mountains all across the country. he has become deeply spiritual and

sometimes lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example). he

spearheaded the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie

boys even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.

 

  matt

 

 

 

 

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Maggie Gerrity wrote:

 

>   All this talk about Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison has gotten me

> thinking about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the

> Beats. I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as

> Lou Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be

> interested to hear the replies!

>               Maggie

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________

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> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

>

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:49:58 -0500

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From:         You_Be Fine <AngelMindz@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Fwd: Search

 

anyone know where jack used these words in a poem? they are not instantly

familiar to me.

 

if you know, please respond on the list, then everyone will know.

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Forwarded message:

From:   csmythe@sab.org (Chris Smythe)

To:     AngelMindz@aol.com ('AngelMindz@aol.com')

Date: 97-12-01 15:17:46 EST

 

Hello.  For starters, thanks for responding.  I have to admit I don't have

much to go on.  I only have one complete line.  "..in my quilted boyhood

youth.."  I apologize for not having more, but in case anyone has come across

anything containing that line, I would grateful to find out what it is.  Once

again, thanks.

 

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From:  AngelMindz@aol.com[SMTP:AngelMindz@aol.com]

Sent:  Saturday, November 29, 1997 4:56 PM

To:  csmythe@sab.org

Subject:  Re: Search

 

In a message dated 97-11-29 14:11:51 EST, you write:

 

<< csmythe@sab.org  >>

 

Chris... what are the key words in the poem you're trying to figure out? List

them, and 200 people on the Beat-L list will probably try (and succeed)

figuring them out.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:26:18 +0000

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From:         caridade <caridade@MAIL.TELEPAC.PT>

Subject:      Re: lawrence ferlinghetti

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Maggie Gerrity wrote:

>

>   It's great to see so much about Lawrence Ferlinghetti popping up

> lately on the List.

 

Indeed, we should hear more about Lawrence in this list, and we are

fortunate enough to have him still fighting life's little battles among

us.

 

I find it hard to choose a favourite poem, but this is among the ones

that ring the bells of delight..

 

(also from A Coney Island of the Mind)

 

14

 

        Don't let that horse

                            eat that violin

 

          cried Chagall's mother

 

                                But he

                    kept right on

                                 painting

 

And became famous

 

And kept on painting

                    The Horse With Violin In Mouth

 

And when he finally finished it

he jumped up upon the horse

                           and rode away

        waving the violin

 

And then with a low bow gave it

to the first naked nude he ran across

 

 

And there were no strings

                         attached

 

 

---

 

daniel caridade

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:28:02 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs' letters/routines

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neil, thanks!

i do have the yage letters, and now my resources are complete. i'll probably

have something coherent to begin a thread with some time this month. would

get to it sooner, but travel looms. hey all you west coast beats, i'm heading

yr way by rail to stay with leon and do the sights, meet nice folks, and do a

reading or two. i'll be able to snag my mail through hotmail.com so i'm very

pleased not to have to go offlist for the duration. it's a really pleasing

project for me to get to know burroughs better before pushing on  towards the

trilogy. of all the beats, i know the least about the workings of burroughs

writing.

thanks again, neil.

 

 

 

Neil M. Hennessy wrote:

 

> Marie asked a question a while back about the appearance of routines in

> Burroughs' letters. If you want to trace the development of the routine, I

> would suggest that in addition to the Harris edited Letters, you grab a

> copy of The Yage Letters, Letters to Allen Ginsberg, and Queer.

>

> As far as I know, the first routine Burroughs wrote in that format (with

> the exception of the much earlier collaboration with Kells Elvins on

> "Roosevelt after Inauguration") appears in the Yage Letters, where he

> leaves the letter format to slip into that dry parodic prose detailing his

> adventures with the villagers and the medicine men in the jungle towns of

> S. America.

>

> In Queer, Lee uses routines to try to impress his intended (whose name I

> can't recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of

> Letters to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.

> Perhaps John Hasbrouk can enlighten us about this one? (are you still out

> there John?)

>

> It's a worthwhile project Marie, and I for one would like to hear your

> thoughts whilst in the midst. As far as I'm concerned, it was with the

> discovery of the routine that Burroughs became a writer (in his own

> formulation, a bull-fighter and not a bull-shitter).

>

> Cheers,

> Neil

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From:         Gene Lee <GTL1951@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: beat influence

 

It is a real pleasure to see some of these supposedly spiritually dead

entertainers doing great things- Such as Adam of the Beastie Boys. At first i

was opposed to Hollywood getting into the Tibetan thing- but hey- no reason

to turn down hi-profile help- i have now come to realize.

                                                        Gene

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For those interested:

 

There is some Ginsberg and Burroughs content on

Patti Smith's new CD _peace and noise_.  The song

"Spell" has PS reciting "footnote to howl," and there is

a dedication to WSB on the front cover of the liner

notes: "Memento Mori, William Seward Burroughs,

February 5, 1914 - August 2, 1997."

 

Sorry if this has been brought to attention already.

Great album!!

 

Mike

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:36:50 -0500

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From:         Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

 

Please excuse my ignorence but - who was Kathy Acker?  I'm just not familier

with her.

 

Howard Park

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:58:54 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

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Who is Kathy Acker?

 

 

 

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Levi Asher wrote:

 

> I just heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.

> I don't know much more -- anybody else?  This was

> unexpected to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.

>

> -------------------------------------------------------

> | Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com                    |

> |                                                     |

> |     Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |

> |      (the beat literature web site)                 |

> |                                                     |

> |          "Coffeehouse: Writings from the Web"       |

> |            (a real book, like on paper)             |

> |               also at http://coffeehousebook.com    |

> |                                                     |

> |                   *---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* |

> |                                                     |

> |        "When I was crazy, I thought you were great" |

> |                                       -- Ric Ocasek |

> -------------------------------------------------------

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:00:04 -0500

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Subject:      Re: beat influence

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Yauch is on the upright, the shit jsut aint funny, got fat bass lines like

russell simmons steals money, got clientel, you know I rock well...

~Beastie Boys/Ill Communications

 

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Matthew Felix wrote:

 

>   maggie,

>

>  i would like to offer adam yauch of the beastie boys as representing many

> beat qualities. he is constantly on the road, chasing the snow up in the

> mountains all across the country. he has become deeply spiritual and

> sometimes lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example). he

> spearheaded the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie

> boys even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.

>

>   matt

>

>

>

>

> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Maggie Gerrity wrote:

>

> >   All this talk about Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison has gotten me

> > thinking about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the

> > Beats. I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as

> > Lou Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be

> > interested to hear the replies!

> >               Maggie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________

> > DO YOU YAHOO!?

> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

> >

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:12:57 -0500

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From:         "PoOka(the friendly ghost)" <jdematte@TURBO.KEAN.EDU>

Subject:      Plath and the beats.

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What if Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would

Allen's influence change the way Plath wrote? Maybe Gregory Corso would

be running after her, trying to get a date or even worse. Maybe Cassady's

macho style would have swooned her....

Its a shame she didn't correspond with the Beats. A plath/burroughs

project would have been something to read about...

                                                jason

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100

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From:         Jens Koch <jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

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Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?=20

I did purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a =

great buy, because it really is multimedia and offers  very varied =

elements, such as experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy and =

others, a quite extensive visit to a virtual gallery, other =

drawings/paintings (not all that great),jazz music, literary influences =

such as french symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman. Leroi Jones, Diane =

DiPrima, and other less well-known authors are represented. However =

there won't be any surprises in terms of audiomaterial if you already =

have CDs.

The ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is =

hypertexted to Dharma Bums. Again there is a lot of real multimedia.

As for  the Poetry in Motion CD-ROMS which are not restricted to Beat =

Authors, but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder, DiPrima, Anne =

Waldman, Whalen, Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several others, there is =

less material, but on the whole you get an interview with each artist =

and a reading and/or performance.

I would recommend all of them as great value for money, and I tell you, =

they were expensive in my part of the world!

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:44:56 -0800

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

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At 10:38 AM 12/1/97 -0800, you wrote:

>I just heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.

>I don't know much more -- anybody else?  This was

>unexpected to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.

>

>-------------------------------------------------------

>| Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

 

I am surprised people here don't know Kathy Acker.  We always talk about who

is beat or who are the current equivalents today of the younger writers.

She would fit in in that discussion.  Kathy Acker definately was like a

female Burroughs.  She most likely was very influenced by him.

 

I feel somewhat sad to hear this.  I read some of her books years ago but

they did not grab me too much, but I see how others might have thought very

highly of them.  I began to lose some interest when in one of her books for

some reason she began to repeat all of the paragraphs three times.

 

Here are some web sites to look at to learn some more about her.

 

http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker.html

 

http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker3.html

 

http://acker.thehub.com.au/reviews.html

 

http://www.altx.com/io/acker.html

 

http://wwww.hotwired.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/10-09-04.acker.html

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From:         You_Be Fine <AngelMindz@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Plath and the beats.

 

In a message dated 97-12-01 19:41:03 EST, jason wrote:

 

<< What if Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would

 Allen's influence change the way Plath wrote? Maybe Gregory Corso would

 be running after her, trying to get a date or even worse. Maybe Cassady's

 macho style would have swooned her....

 Its a shame she didn't correspond with the Beats. A plath/burroughs

 project would have been something to read about...

                                                 jason >>

 

ah, yes, perfect! and illustrated with photos by Diane Arbus!

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From:         You_Be Fine <AngelMindz@AOL.COM>

Subject:      a last word on big sur...

 

Reading poetry today, i came across this prayer maybe jack might've uttered

in that cabin as god and the sea spoke to him:

 

Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee

And I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.

     --Robert Frost, 1962

 

amen.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:07:52 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Plath and the beats.

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Plath would never be part of the Kerouac group. That wasn't her jive...

 

 

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, PoOka(the friendly ghost) wrote:

 

> What if Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would

> Allen's influence change the way Plath wrote? Maybe Gregory Corso would

> be running after her, trying to get a date or even worse. Maybe Cassady's

> macho style would have swooned her....

> Its a shame she didn't correspond with the Beats. A plath/burroughs

> project would have been something to read about...

>                                                 jason

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:09:07 -0500

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From:         You_Be Fine <AngelMindz@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Fwd: a last word on big sur...

 

This was returned to me by the Beat-L machine which said "the text in your

message was identical to etc"

 

boy that would be something if someone else had posted this identical

message. somehow, i think not.

 

trying again:

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Forwarded message:

Subj:    a last word on big sur...

Date:    97-12-01 19:51:18 EST

From:    AngelMindz

To:      beat-l@cunyvm.cuny.edu

 

Reading poetry today, i came across this prayer maybe jack might've uttered

in that cabin as god and the sea spoke to him:

 

Forgive, O Lord, my little jokes on Thee

And I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.

     --Robert Frost, 1962

 

amen.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:17:30 -0500

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From:         Tyson Ouellette <Tyson_Ouellette@UMIT.MAINE.EDU>

Organization: University of Maine

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>Bob Dylan spawned by the writings of Jack kerouac? Influenced certainly,

>but the pre-teen pictures of Dylan and his guitar with well known blues

>musicians indicates he was on his way as a musician before he'd read any

>Keroauc.

 

      right-o, dylan's primary influence were the folk originals,

musical rather than literary.

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:26:50 -0800

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From:         Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

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> Please excuse my ignorence but - who was Kathy Acker?  I'm just not familier

> with her.

 

Sorry, I guess I sometimes forget to explain.  I may have all these

facts wrong, but here goes: NY-city based neo-beat semi-punk

transgressive (lots of drugs and sex) writer.  Emerged I think

during the CBGB's era of early punk rock ('77 or so).  Wrote

lots of good stuff, a real legend around the NY City Lower

East Side poetry gangs.  Also somewhat successful -- got her

books in bookstores anyway ...

 

Very sad to see her go.

 

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| Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com                    |

|                                                     |

|     Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |

|      (the beat literature web site)                 |

|                                                     |

|          "Coffeehouse: Writings from the Web"       |

|            (a real book, like on paper)             |

|               also at http://coffeehousebook.com    |

|                                                     |

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|                                                     |

|        "When I was crazy, I thought you were great" |

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Date:         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:33:12 -0800

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From:         Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: beat influence

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AngelMindZ mentioned my Beats In Music page at:

 

http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/Topics/BeatsInRock.html

 

> There's a list there, and I seem to remember invitations to people to add to

> it. So much has happened in music since I was last there, I'm sure the list

> has grown considerably.

 

However I've been delinquent about updating it for way too long.  I've

got a bunch of entries I'm planning to add as soon as I get a free

minute.

 

On the matter of Adam Yauch and the Beastie Boys, I must add a

resounding "YEAH!".  In fact the Boys singing about Jack Kerouac

on "Paul's Boutique" (in my opinion one of the greatest albums

of all time) was one of the things that got me to read him for

the first time.  However, it was Adam Horovitz, not Adam Yauch,

who sang that line (they're both named Adam).  Anyway, the

album is worth getting -- it takes a few listens to get into

though, in my experience.

 

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| Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com                    |

|                                                     |

|     Literary Kicks: http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ |

|      (the beat literature web site)                 |

|                                                     |

|          "Coffeehouse: Writings from the Web"       |

|            (a real book, like on paper)             |

|               also at http://coffeehousebook.com    |

|                                                     |

|                   *---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---* |

|                                                     |

|        "When I was crazy, I thought you were great" |

|                                       -- Ric Ocasek |

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From:         John Pullicino <jjpull@PAC.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac

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Hi there Mike, on 29-Nov-97 you wrote...

 

>I was in basic training at Ft. Campbell, Kentucky the day Jack died.  I

>never read a wire story as good as either of those withered ones in your

>wallet.  I was just a kid then, and I'm 52 now, where did those 28 years

>go, and why don't you empty your wallet more often.

thanks mike - 50 here, those 28 tears have been interesting, and my

wallet(s) have been empty many times, but 'Ti Jean has always been there

either wrapped round my denim butt, or next to my heart in some sleek

jacket as i glowered across the table to some dearheart in a lowcut gown as

an effete waiter served up our destiny in three short courses.

--

bye for now,

#<|||||||||||||||||||||||># John Pullicino #<|||||||||||||||||||||||>#

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:55:55 +1000

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From:         John Pullicino <jjpull@PAC.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac clippings

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Hi there Dennis, on 28-Nov-97 you wrote...

 

> The street sign for Kerouac Alley is usually missing due to theft

>although a tourist shop at Pier 39 near Fisherman's Wharf sells knockoffs.

 

yeah? you know how much they are and would they take orders from australia?

 

--

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:09:46 +1000

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From:         John Pullicino <jjpull@PAC.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac - oz glints

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Hi there You_Be, on 29-Nov-97 you wrote...

 

>Thank you so much for sharing these. They really took me back, too.

>Imagining these clips living in your wallet, kept close by for 28 years

>as some kind of sweet sentimental enshrinement, was also a tender

>statement of the loss of jack. Very nice.

 

and a bit of a passport too as i myself hit the road and hitchhiked around

and stayed in YMCA's and met other readers of his from all parts of the

world - his pic was later joined by ones of cezanne and rasputin, and once

when i was forced by the law to ahem 'disclose the contents on my person' a

rather hip old sergeant (sherrif to you) was urged to remark ' you're

either a degenerate beatnik or a revolutionary anarchist ' and took me home

to eat a wonderful meal of meat and potatoes cooked by his rather younger

wife, who read out her poems to us on the verandah (porch) as the lights in

the little town twinkled out one by one.

 

this was in Tasmania in 65 or 66, and when i went back a few years later, i

was told they'd split up and she (Tanya?) had run off with a writer, after

a scandal involving the sergeant nd a tourist.

 

>I hope you'll be encouraged to share more of your points of view from the

>other side of the world.

i think i just did :-)

 

--

bye for now,

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Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

 

this is sad....i just read my mother: demonology, a novel and i thought it

was one of the most unique things i had ever read

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> i would like to offer adam yauch of the beastie boys as representing

>many

>beat qualities. he is constantly on the road, chasing the snow up in the

>mountains all across the country. he has become deeply spiritual and

>sometimes lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example).

>he

>spearheaded the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie

>boys even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.

 

     i'll second that notion, adam lives quite the beat life when he

hangs out in thai bars...

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hello beat-l. my mother got this on her mail and i just would like to pass

it along. it gets real good near the end.

randy

randyr@southeast.net

 

>>>Soap, soap, soap...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Attached is some correspondence which actually occurred between a London

>>>>hotel's staff and one of its guests. The London hotel involved submitted

>this

>>>>to the Sunday Times.

>>>>

>>>>No name was mentioned.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Maid,

>>>>

>>>>Please do not leave any more of those little bars of soap in my bathroom

>>>>since I have brought my own bath-sized Dial. Please remove the six

unopened

>>>>little bars from the shelf under the medicine chest and another three in

>the

>>>>shower soap dish. They are in my way.

>>>>

>>>>Thank you,

>>>>S. Berman

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Room 635,

>>>>

>>>>I am not your regular maid. She will be back tomorrow, Thursday, from

>her day

>>>>off. I took the 3 hotel soaps out of the shower soap dish as you

requested.

>>>>The 6 bars on your shelf I took out of your way and put on top of your

>>>>Kleenex dispenser in case you should change your mind. This leaves only

>the 3

>>>>bars I left today which my instructions from the management is to leave 3

>>>>soaps daily. I hope this is satisfactory.

>>>>

>>>>Kathy, Relief Maid

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Maid -- I hope you are my regular maid.

>>>>

>>>>Apparently Kathy did not tell you about my note to her concerning the

>little

>>>>bars of soap. When I got back to my room this evening I found you had

>added 3

>>>>little Camays to the shelf under my medicine cabinet. I am going to be

here

>>>>in the hotel for two weeks and have brought my own bath-size Dial so I

>won't

>>>>need those 6 little Camays which are on the shelf. They are in my way when

>>>>shaving, brushing teeth, etc.

>>>>

>>>>Please remove them.

>>>>S. Berman

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mr. Berman,

>>>>

>>>>My day off was last Wed. so the relief maid left 3 hotel soaps which we

are

>>>>instructed by the management. I took the 6 soaps which were in your way on

>>>>the shelf and put them in the soap dish where your Dial was. I put the

Dial

>>>>in the medicine cabinet for your convenience. I didn't remove the 3

>>>>complimentary soaps which are always placed inside the medicine cabinet

for

>>>>all new check-ins and which you did not object to when you checked in last

>>>>Monday. Please let me know if I can of further assistance.

>>>>

>>>>Your regular maid, Dotty

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mr. Berman,

>>>>

>>>>The assistant manager, Mr. Kensedder, informed me this A.M. that you

called

>>>>him last evening and said you were unhappy with your maid service. I have

>>>>assigned a new girl to your room. I hope you will accept my apologies

>for any

>>>>past inconvenience. If you have any future complaints please contact me

>so I

>>>>can give it my personal attention. Call extension 1108 between 8AM and

5PM.

>>>>Thank you.

>>>>

>>>>Elaine Carmen

>>>>Housekeeper

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Miss Carmen,

>>>>It is impossible to contact you by phone since I leave the hotel for

>business

>>>>at 745 AM and don't get back before 530 or 6PM. That's the reason I called

>>>>Mr. Kensedder last night. You were already off duty. I only asked Mr.

>>>>Kensedder if he could do anything about those little bars of soap. The new

>>>>maid you assigned me must have thought I was a new check-in today, since

>she

>>>>left another 3 bars of hotel soap in my medicine cabinet along with her

>>>>regular delivery of 3 bars on the bath-room shelf. In just 5 days here I

>have

>>>>accumulated 24 little bars of soap. Why are you doing this to me?

>>>>

>>>>S. Berman

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mr. Berman,

>>>>

>>>>Your maid, Kathy, has been instructed to stop delivering soap to your room

>>>>and remove the extra soaps. If I can be of further assistance, please call

>>>>extension 1108 between 8AM and 5PM. Thank you,

>>>>

>>>>Elaine Carmen,

>>>>Housekeeper

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mr. Kensedder,

>>>>

>>>>My bath-size Dial is missing. Every bar of soap was taken from my room

>>>>including my own bath-size Dial. I came in late last night and had to call

>>>>the bellhop to bring me 4 little Cashmere Bouquets.

>>>>

>>>>S. Berman

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mr. Berman,

>>>>

>>>>I have informed our housekeeper, Elaine Carmen, of your soap problem. I

>>>>cannot understand why there was no soap in your room since our maids are

>>>>instructed to leave 3 bars of soap each time they service a room. The

>>>>situation will be rectified immediately. Please accept my apologies for

the

>>>>inconvenience.

>>>>

>>>>Martin L. Kensedder Assistant Manager

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mrs. Carmen,

>>>>

>>>>Who the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in last night

>>>>and found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little bars of Camay. I

>>>>want my one damn bar of bath-size Dial. Do you realize I have 54 bars of

>soap

>>>>in here. All I want is my bath size Dial. Please give me back my bath-size

>>>>Dial.

>>>>

>>>>S. Berman

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mr. Berman,

>>>>

>>>>You complained of too much soap in your room so I had them removed. Then

>you

>>>>complained to Mr. Kensedder that all your soap was missing so I personally

>>>>returned them. The 24 Camays which had been taken and the 3 Camays you are

>>>>supposed to receive daily (sic). I don't know anything about the 4

Cashmere

>>>>Bouquets.

>>>>

>>>>Obviously your maid, Kathy, did not know I had returned your soaps so she

>>>>also brought 24 Camays plus the 3 daily Camays. I don't know where you got

>>>>the idea this hotel issues bath-size Dial. I was able to locate some

>>>>bath-size Ivory which I left in your room.

>>>>

>>>>Elaine

>>>>Carmen Housekeeper

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Dear Mrs. Carmen,

>>>>

>>>>Just a short note to bring you up-to-date on my latest soap inventory.

>As of

>>>>today I possess:

>>>>

>>>>- - - -- On shelf under medicine cabinet - 18 Camay in 4 stacks of 4 and 1

>>>>stack of 2.

>>>>

>>>>- - - -- On Kleenex dispenser - 11 Camay in 2 stacks of 4 and 1 stack

of 3.

>>>>

>>>>- - - -- On bedroom dresser - 1 stack of 3 Cashmere Bouquet, 1 stack of 4

>>>>hotel-size Ivory, and 8 Camay in 2 stacks of 4.

>>>>

>>>>- - - -- Inside medicine cabinet - 14 Camay in 3 stacks of 4 and 1

stack of

>>>>2.

>>>>

>>>>- - - -- In shower soap dish - 6 Camay, very moist.

>>>>

>>>>- - - -- On northeast corner of tub - 1 Cashmere Bouquet, slightly used.

>>>>

>>>>- - - -- On northwest corner of tub - 6 Camays in 2 stacks of 3.

>>>>

>>>>Please ask Kathy when she services my room to make sure the stacks are

>neatly

>>>>piled and dusted. Also, please advise her that stacks of more than 4

have a

>>>>tendency to tip. May I suggest that my bedroom window sill is not in use

>and

>>>>will make an excellent spot for future soap deliveries. One more item, I

>have

>>>>purchased another bar of bath-sized Dial which I am keeping in the hotel

>>>>vault in order to avoid further misunderstandings.

>>>>

>>>>S. Berman

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

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I've been a fan of the beats for almost a year.  'Course I'm a HS student

headed for an English/Philosophy major, so it was destiny.  I like some of

the surrealist/post-surrealist literature more.  Anyhow, some suggestions:

 

Desolation Angels - the first part is quite good, the second part is not as

good and        more depressing.

Visions of Cody - this book, to put it very bluntly, is dense.  Worse than

Ulysses in      terms of complexity.  But fairly good.

The Cut-ups trilogy - must read, esp. if you liked Naked Lunch.  Start with

The Soft        Machine and work forward.

 

And non-beat but...

 

A Scanner Darkly - the *best* book I've read about drug addiction.  Better

than Naked Lunch.  Exponentially easier to read, and more disturbing in its

revelations on the user-pusher-narc cycle of hopelessness.  By the

psychedelic science fiction writer Philip K. Dick.

 

Hope these help

 

Joey Mellott : poet, writer, and closet intellectual

(peyotecoyote@iah.com)

"I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom,

 I want goodness.  I want sin." - Aldous Huxley

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:45:02 -0500

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Hello. I'm new on this list. Just wanted to say hi. My

name's David. I'm a freshman in college. Read on the road

the beginning of senior year in high school. Fell in love

with Jack Kerouac. Went on to read Big Sur, Dharma Bums,

Desolation Angels, poems, Tristessa, ect. Started going to

the library and began learning about Kerouac and what he

did during his life. He got me into a little Zen poems.

Then found out about Ginsberg and started reading his

poems, which lead to Burroughs. I'm crazed about all these

fellows. So we will talk about the "beats" which is already

ridiculous because it is an easy and "cool" word to

remember.  You can sit at a stupid coffee house and say,

"yea, the beats were cool and I really liked their

message."  Fuck that. I am already talking shit because the

"beats" (at least when they were for real. I'm not talking

about Burroughs wierd new shit on CD or Cassidy riding

around in a colorful bus).  But fuck it.

 

--

Bonck, David D

bonckdd@jmu.edu

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:52:19 -0500

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From:         "Bonck, David D" <bonckdd@JMU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

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forget the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books.  Do you think the

"beats" sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading

trash on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and

MADE history, Not read about it on the web.  They were

about drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about

technology and plutonium factories.  Reading any "beat"

poetry on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"

poetry.

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch

<jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK> wrote:

 

> Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?

> I did purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a great buy,

 because it really is multimedia and offers  very varied elements, such as

 experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy and others, a quite extensive

 visit to a virtual gallery, other drawings/paintings (not all that great),jazz

 music, literary influences such as french symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman.

 Leroi Jones, Diane DiPrima, and other less well-known authors are represented.

 However there won't be any surprises in terms of audiomaterial if you already

 have CDs.

> The ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is

 hypertexted to Dharma Bums. Again there is a lot of real multimedia.

> As for  the Poetry in Motion CD-ROMS which are not restricted to Beat Authors,

 but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder, DiPrima, Anne Waldman, Whalen,

 Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several others, there is less material, but on

 the whole you get an interview with each artist and a reading and/or

 performance.

> I would recommend all of them as great value for money, and I tell you, they

 were expensive in my part of the world!

 

--

Bonck, David D

bonckdd@jmu.edu

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: You're right! It is hilarious....

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When I saw" S. Berman" the first person who camne to mind was Sandy Berman,

librarian and author who is at the Hennipin County Library in Minneapolis,

MN. It has to be Sandy. An absolute one-of-a-kind. I'll know for a fact

tomorrow and share the information with you.

 

j grant

 

 

 

>hello beat-l. my mother got this on her mail and i just would like to pass

>it along. it gets real good near the end.

>randy

>randyr@southeast.net

 

 

 

                    HELP RECOVER THE MEMORY BABE ARCHIVES

                             Details  on-line at

                                 http://www.bookzen.com

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> Subject:

>         beat influence

>   Date:

>         Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:18:06 -0800

>   From:

>         Maggie Gerrity <u2ginsberg@YAHOO.COM>

>

>

>   All this talk about Bob Dylan and Jim Morrison has gotten me

> thinking about what other musicians were/are heavily influenced by the

> Beats. I see a lot of Beat influence in Patti Smith's work, as well as

> Lou Reed's and U2's. Can anyone think of any others? I'll be

> interested to hear the replies!

>               Maggie

>

 

 

 

 

 

If you haven't heard Pete Droge yet, you really should.  He does have a

song that mentions Kerouac.  Also when you really get down to it, Tom

Petty also has a nice flair of telling a story within a song...

 

 

cathy

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This quiet night I thought I'd share one of Charles Bukowski's very

best.

 

Enjoy!

 

Adrien

 

 

the shoelace

------------

 

a woman, a

tire that's flat, a

disease, a

desire; fears in front of you,

fears that hold so still

you can study them

like pieces on a

chessboard...

it's not the large things that

send a man to the

madhouse. death he's ready for, or

murder, incest, robbery, fire, flood...

no, it's the continuing series of _small_ tragedies

that send a man to the

madhouse...

not the death of his love

but a shoelace that snaps

with no time left...

the dread of life

is that swarm of trivialities

that can kill quicker than cancer

and which are always there---

license plates or taxes

or expired driver's license,

or hiring or firing,

doing it or having it done to you, or

constipation

speeding tickets

rickets or crickets or mice or termites or

roaches or flies or a

broken hook on a

screen, or out of gas

or too much gas,

the sink's stopped-up, the landlord's drunk,

the president doesn't care and the governor's

crazy.

lightswitch broken, mattress like a

porcupine;

$105 for a tune-up, carburetor and fuel pump at

Sears Roebuck;

and the phone bill's up and the market's

down

and the toilet chain is

broken,

and the light has burned out---

the hall light, the front light, the back light,

the inner light; it's

darker than hell

and twice as

expensive.

then there's always crabs and ingrown toenails

and people who insist they're

your friends;

there's always that and worse;

leaky faucet, Christ and Christmas;

blue salami, 9 day rains,

50 cent avacados

and purple

liverwurst.

 

or making it

as a waitress at Norm's on the split shift,

or as an emptier of

bedpans,

or as a carwash or a busboy

or a stealer of old lady's purses

leaving them screaming on the sidewalks

with broken arms at the age of

80.

 

suddenly

2 red lights in your rear viw mirror

and blood in your

underwear;

toothache, and $979 for a bridge

$300 for a gold

tooth,

and China and Russia and America, and

long hair and short hair and no

hair, and beards and no

faces, and plenty of _zigzag_ but no

pot, except maybe one to piss in and

the other one around your

gut.

 

with each broken shoelace

out of one hundred broken shoelaces,

one man, one woman, one

thing

enters a

madhouse.

 

so be careful

when you

bend over.

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yes, i have the beat cdrom, the one in conjunction with whitney

exhibition. it is very good, although there is much scope for further

ones as what is included is rather limited in scope and content.

advisable to buy though.....

daniel

any reports on the patti smith record? i see a photograph on the

sleeve from uncle bill's grave....

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Subject:      Re: Plath and the beats.

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i can imagine more clearly anne sexton. she was one of the first

poet/performance artists, collaborating with a group of musicians. the whole

shebang was called anne sexton and her kind. and i hear they were mighty

fine. i've been searching for tapes for a long time.

mc

 

You_Be Fine wrote:

 

> In a message dated 97-12-01 19:41:03 EST, jason wrote:

>

> << What if Sylvia Plath was part of the Kerouac group of writers? Would

>  Allen's influence change the way Plath wrote? Maybe Gregory Corso would

>  be running after her, trying to get a date or even worse. Maybe Cassady's

>  macho style would have swooned her....

>  Its a shame she didn't correspond with the Beats. A plath/burroughs

>  project would have been something to read about...

>                                                  jason >>

>

> ah, yes, perfect! and illustrated with photos by Diane Arbus!

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Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

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additionally,  robert siegle has written a book about her writing and her

peers, in suburban ambush, downtown writing and the fiction of insurgency, pub

by john hopkins. it's not an anthology, it is a damned fine piece of critical

writing that also explores the roots of acker and fellow writers.

mc

 

Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

 

> At 10:38 AM 12/1/97 -0800, you wrote:

> >I just heard the real sad news that Kathy Acker died.

> >I don't know much more -- anybody else?  This was

> >unexpected to me as I hadn't even known she was sick.

> >

> >-------------------------------------------------------

> >| Levi Asher = brooklyn@netcom.com

>

> I am surprised people here don't know Kathy Acker.  We always talk about who

> is beat or who are the current equivalents today of the younger writers.

> She would fit in in that discussion.  Kathy Acker definately was like a

> female Burroughs.  She most likely was very influenced by him.

>

> I feel somewhat sad to hear this.  I read some of her books years ago but

> they did not grab me too much, but I see how others might have thought very

> highly of them.  I began to lose some interest when in one of her books for

> some reason she began to repeat all of the paragraphs three times.

>

> Here are some web sites to look at to learn some more about her.

>

> http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker.html

>

> http://acker.thehub.com.au/acker3.html

>

> http://acker.thehub.com.au/reviews.html

>

> http://www.altx.com/io/acker.html

>

> http://wwww.hotwired.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/10-09-04.acker.html

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Subject:      Re: Got something to say

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Well, we know that David can swear real well...canhe do anything else?

:) Welcome to the list...

 

 

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:

 

> Hello. I'm new on this list. Just wanted to say hi. My

> name's David. I'm a freshman in college. Read on the road

> the beginning of senior year in high school. Fell in love

> with Jack Kerouac. Went on to read Big Sur, Dharma Bums,

> Desolation Angels, poems, Tristessa, ect. Started going to

> the library and began learning about Kerouac and what he

> did during his life. He got me into a little Zen poems.

> Then found out about Ginsberg and started reading his

> poems, which lead to Burroughs. I'm crazed about all these

> fellows. So we will talk about the "beats" which is already

> ridiculous because it is an easy and "cool" word to

> remember.  You can sit at a stupid coffee house and say,

> "yea, the beats were cool and I really liked their

> message."  Fuck that. I am already talking shit because the

> "beats" (at least when they were for real. I'm not talking

> about Burroughs wierd new shit on CD or Cassidy riding

> around in a colorful bus).  But fuck it.

>

> --

> Bonck, David D

> bonckdd@jmu.edu

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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From:         "Neil M. Hennessy" <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

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On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

 

> I am surprised people here don't know Kathy Acker.  We always talk about who

> is beat or who are the current equivalents today of the younger writers.

> She would fit in in that discussion.  Kathy Acker definately was like a

> female Burroughs.  She most likely was very influenced by him.

 

Burroughs wrote a jacket blurb for one of her books. I remember asking

James G. about it when I saw it.

 

Speaking of Burroughs and jacket blurbs, I was browsing through the

shelves at Coach House Press the other day, and came across David

Gilmour's (of CBC fame, Canadian folks) first book. It had a jacket blurb

from Burroughs that I thought didn't sound much like him. I asked Stan

Bevington how Gilmour came about it, and he said: "We encouraged authors

to solicit their own jacket blurbs, and Gilmour just sent the quotation

down to Burroughs and asked him if he could tack his name on it, and

Burroughs said sure." Now there was a man who truly divorced himself from

the proprietary myth that orbits language.

 

Neil

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From:         Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

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Uhm, "dude", we're here to discuss the literature and the writers and

other prevelant information.  If the purpose of the list were to support

and futher the beat lifestyle, it wouldn't exist and you wouldn't even be

here.

 

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:

 

> forget the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books.  Do you think the

> "beats" sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading

> trash on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and

> MADE history, Not read about it on the web.  They were

> about drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about

> technology and plutonium factories.  Reading any "beat"

> poetry on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"

> poetry.

> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch

> <jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK> wrote:

>

>

 

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Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:19:44 -0500

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From:         Al Aronowitz <blackj@BIGMAGIC.COM>

Subject:      JOKE: FINAL INSTALLMENT

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The next year, it ws the head monk' turn to speak.  He said: "Don't you

think there's too much unnecessary chatter going on around here?"

--

***************************************

Al Aronowitz THE BLACKLISTED JOURNALIST

http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj

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This is the last communication I receivd from Kathy Acker.  She was

responding to our invitation to join THE ALLEN GINSBERG MEMORIAL

COMMITTEE, which plans a two-day tribute to Allen in June, the first

event in Central Park, the second event in Newark's brand, new

Performing Arts Center.  Obviously she was volunteering to be on the

program, which will include many poets and performers from around the

world.  We are all sorry to lose Kathy Acker.  Does anyone know her age

and what she died of?

--

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Al Aronowitz THE BLACKLISTED JOURNALIST

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Dear Al A,

        I would be honored to be on the committee. Please tell me if I can

help in any other way.

Yours truly,

Acker

 

 

 

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:11:15 -0500

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From:         Anthony Celentano <VegasDaddy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Beat, Alive

 

Few of our favorite wordmen can lay claim to both nowadayz.  All this talk

about L. Ferlinghetti has got me thinking about another living master, Mr.

Corso, Gregory the Herald.  I think that all those who really love Kerouac

can appreciate Corso in a great way, because Jack was so damn fond of him.

Thru Jack (in _Desolation Angels_, for example) you really get a sense of

what a genius and a hipster Corso really was (and is).  I believe that the

greatest thing about the Beat prose (mostly Kerouac) is the fantastic sense

of closeness between all those cats, who were of course close friends.

 Kerouac got his greatest kicks not off port wine or Zen or lone rucksack

wandering (though he loved these), but off his friends, without whom he would

have been lost, if not lost then not as powerful a writer as he turned out to

be.   And I think Jack's fondness for G. Corso shines thru the most...he

really believed Corso to be (I think) the greatest genius among his

friends...perhaps he appreciated Corso's literary and spiritual gift even

more so than he dug A.G.'s...

Corso is the great destroyer of the banal, the Herald who truly fought to

break on thru (Morrison for ya) to a Blakean flip-side...

 

"2 Weird Happenings in Haarlem"  by Gregory Corso

 

Four windmills, acquaintanceships,

were spied one morning eating tulips.

Noon

and the entire city flips

screaming:  Apocalypse!  Apocalypse!

 

 

O people!  my people!

something weirdly architectural

like a rackety cannibal

came to Haarlem last night

and ate up a canal!

 

 

They all loved "Raphael Urso," mad Manhattan lyricist anyone can dig...

 

Peace,

Anthony

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Beat Spirit

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I stopped by the bookstore last wednesday and I saw a book in the new paper

back section called Beat Spirit by Mel Ash.

 

It was some sort of work book.  It had sections on kerouac Burroughs and

others and then had excercises the reader should do to attune their beat

spirit, I guess.  One thing I remember was you were supposed to fill in a

pie chart with your racial background or something like that.

 

Anyone seen this book?  Know anything about it?  Have an opinion etc...

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From:         "Moritz Rossbach, moro0000@stud.uni-sb.de"

              <moro0000@STUD.UNI-SB.DE>

Subject:      Re: beat influence

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matt wrote

> sometimes lets it come out in his music (the song Namaste for example). he

> spearheaded the tibetan freedom concert and milareapa fund. the beastie

> boys even mention jack kerouac in one of their songs.

>

that's right, i was just about to mention that!

unfortunately, i don't know much about adam yauch's personal life,

but the beastie boys are definitly beat. even if you don't like

hip-hop you have to admit that they kinda transformed the idea of the

beats into their culture and generation.

the song by the way is "high plains drifter" on the "paul's boutique"

album.

 

nice to be back again!

 

yours

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

            //

          (o o)

--------oOO-(_)-OOo------sincerely

                         moritz rossbach

                         saarbruecken, germany

                         moro0000@stud.uni-sb.de

                         http://stud.uni-sb.de/~moro0000

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:18:11 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Spirit

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I havent seen it but it sounds stupid to me, like a good gag gift

maybe...

 

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

 

> I stopped by the bookstore last wednesday and I saw a book in the new paper

> back section called Beat Spirit by Mel Ash.

>

> It was some sort of work book.  It had sections on kerouac Burroughs and

> others and then had excercises the reader should do to attune their beat

> spirit, I guess.  One thing I remember was you were supposed to fill in a

> pie chart with your racial background or something like that.

>

> Anyone seen this book?  Know anything about it?  Have an opinion etc...

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:13:32 +0000

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From:         "Thomas E. Harberd" <T.E.Harberd@UEA.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

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On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:

 

> forget the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books.  Do you think the

> "beats" sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading

> trash on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and

> MADE history, Not read about it on the web.  They were

> about drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about

> technology and plutonium factories.  Reading any "beat"

> poetry on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"

> poetry.

> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch

> <jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK> wrote:

 

By which token the entire purpose of the books themselves is also fucked,

since if Beat is about the EXPERIENCE, and living, actually doing, then

what the hell are any of us bothering to actually BUY/Borrow/STEAL and

the READ the books?  Why don't we just get on the road?  'Cos we like the

words, the books, the art, the beauty, and if that can't be expressed in

ANY media form, then the future gets darker.

 

Tom.

sorry I couldn't cut text below, mouse not working.

"I, at least, had the good sense to go insane during adolensence." WSB Jr.

 

 

> > Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?

> > I did purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a great

 buy,

>  because it really is multimedia and offers  very varied elements, such as

>  experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy and others, a quite extensive

>  visit to a virtual gallery, other drawings/paintings (not all that

 great),jazz

>  music, literary influences such as french symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman.

>  Leroi Jones, Diane DiPrima, and other less well-known authors are

 represented.

>  However there won't be any surprises in terms of audiomaterial if you already

>  have CDs.

> > The ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is

>  hypertexted to Dharma Bums. Again there is a lot of real multimedia.

> > As for  the Poetry in Motion CD-ROMS which are not restricted to Beat

 Authors,

>  but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder, DiPrima, Anne Waldman, Whalen,

>  Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several others, there is less material, but on

>  the whole you get an interview with each artist and a reading and/or

>  performance.

>

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      a sonnet by Wanda Coleman

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12.                                             by Wanda Coleman

 

  after Robert Duncan

 

my earliest dreams linger/wronged spirits

who will not rest/dusky crows astride

the sweetbriar seek to fly the

orchard's sky. is this the world i loved?

groves of perfect oranges and streets of stars

where the sad eyes of my youth

wander the atomic-age paradise

 

tasting

 

the blood of a stark and wounded puberty?

o what years ago? what rapture lost in white

heat of skin/walls that patina my heart's

despair? what fear disturbs my quiet

night's grazing? stampedes my soul?

 

o memory. i sweat the eternal weight of graves

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:58:13 -0500

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From:         Gene Lee <GTL1951@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: a sonnet by Wanda Coleman

 

Man! that is one great sonnet! who is Wanda Coleman?!

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:59:13 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: a sonnet by Wanda Coleman

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I like this poem, especially the line "the sad eyes of my youth", matches

my mood perfectly...

 

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

 

> 12.                                             by Wanda Coleman

>

>   after Robert Duncan

>

> my earliest dreams linger/wronged spirits

> who will not rest/dusky crows astride

> the sweetbriar seek to fly the

> orchard's sky. is this the world i loved?

> groves of perfect oranges and streets of stars

> where the sad eyes of my youth

> wander the atomic-age paradise

>

> tasting

>

> the blood of a stark and wounded puberty?

> o what years ago? what rapture lost in white

> heat of skin/walls that patina my heart's

> despair? what fear disturbs my quiet

> night's grazing? stampedes my soul?

>

> o memory. i sweat the eternal weight of graves

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:38:24 +0000

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From:         caridade <caridade@MAIL.TELEPAC.PT>

Subject:      Re: this is hilarious....it's about soap though

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> >>>>Dear Mrs. Carmen,

> >>>>

> >>>>Who the hell left 54 little bars of Camay in my room? I came in last night

> >>>>and found 54 little bars of soap. I don't want 54 little bars of Camay. I

> >>>>want my one damn bar of bath-size Dial. Do you realize I have 54 bars of

> >soap

> >>>>in here. All I want is my bath size Dial. Please give me back my bath-size

> >>>>Dial.

> >>>>

> >>>>S. Berman

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

 

Now you know why life is greater than fiction...

 

daniel caridade (I'm laughing my bowels out...)

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:18:06 -0500

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From:         Timothy Franklin Thomas <tt324696@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

Comments: To: "Bonck, David D" <bonckdd@jmu.edu>

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It's impossible to guess how Jack et al may have made use of this new

technology. Don't be to sure of your position. With the sheer volume of

letters available I believe they would have made good use of email. I also

believe they loved experimenting with different media to express

themselves. Look at Jack's adventures onto records, William's in film and

cds, and Allen's recordings and use of video. They experimented with

film, music, tape players, and more recently video and cds. I find it hard

to believe they would have disregarded something as powerful as

contemporary computers. Yes they lived life instead of sat in front of a

terminal and yes they drank wine and cried. They also loved to drink and

discuss and argue and critique. They were thirsty for information and

would have used the internet to quench their thirst. You forget the hours

and days that Jack spent in front of his typewriter driven by benzadrine.

Storing "On The Road" on a floppy makes as much sense as a teletype roll.

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Bonck, David D wrote:

 

> forget the damn CD-ROMs. Read the books.  Do you think the

> "beats" sat around surfing the ridiculous web or reading

> trash on a computer. No. They went out and DID things and

> MADE history, Not read about it on the web.  They were

> about drinking port wine in alley ways and crying about

> technology and plutonium factories.  Reading any "beat"

> poetry on the computer defeats the whole purpose of "beat"

> poetry.

> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:20:02 +0100 Jens Koch

> <jenskoch@POST1.TELE.DK> wrote:

>

> > Has anyone purchased any of the Beat CD-ROMs?

> > I did purchase the Voyager Beat Experience and for me it has been a great

 buy,

>  because it really is multimedia and offers  very varied elements, such as

>  experimental films, clips from Pull My Daisy and others, a quite extensive

>  visit to a virtual gallery, other drawings/paintings (not all that

 great),jazz

>  music, literary influences such as french symbolists, Fitzgerald and Whitman.

>  Leroi Jones, Diane DiPrima, and other less well-known authors are

 represented.

>  However there won't be any surprises in terms of audiomaterial if you already

>  have CDs.

> > The ROMNIBUS is great, especially for the wealth of information which is

>  hypertexted to Dharma Bums. Again there is a lot of real multimedia.

> > As for  the Poetry in Motion CD-ROMS which are not restricted to Beat

 Authors,

>  but include a lot such as McClure, Snyder, DiPrima, Anne Waldman, Whalen,

>  Burroughs, Ginsberg as well as several others, there is less material, but on

>  the whole you get an interview with each artist and a reading and/or

>  performance.

> > I would recommend all of them as great value for money, and I tell you, they

>  were expensive in my part of the world!

>

> --

> Bonck, David D

> bonckdd@jmu.edu

>

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Date:         Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:33:56 -0700

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From:         Sean Young <syoung@DSW.COM>

Subject:      at the end of a gone year .......

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     hey all,

 

 

     Here at the end of a year of so many gone. Allen gone, my father Don

     Young gone, Jeff Buckley gone, Burroughs gone, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan

     gone, Acker gone ......etc. I feel like I need to get my feet on the

     ground. so much spinning in loss.

 

     What's the next phase? When will there be a return of wonder (to quote

     Ferlinghetti)? Is it already here? Am I asleep in my walking already

     too far gone?

 

     I am heading to New York for five days around New Years. I've got my

     Bill Morgan book in hand and I am hoping to check out some of the

     haunts. I also hope to check out the St. Marks Poetry marthon reading

     on New Years Day. I might also visit Anthology Film Archives, hoping

     to find more info on Harry Smith.

 

     I was wondering if any of you NY area BEAT-L'ers might like to meet at

     McSorley's for a drink. Let's drink to the return of wonder.

 

     Peace be upon you all,

 

     Sean D. Young

 

     syoung@dsw.com

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From:         Jeff Taylor <taylorjb@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs' letters/routines

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On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Neil M. Hennessy wrote:

 

> can't recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of

> Letters to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.

 

My library has a copy of _Letters to Allen Ginsberg_. I haven't gone thru

it all, but it appears that there's little or nothing in it that isn't

also in the later Harris-edited volume (except for brief intros by WSB &

AG).

 

*******

Jeff Taylor

taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

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From:         Jeff Taylor <taylorjb@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU>

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On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Neil Hennessy wrote:

 

> biography. Of course, it might be something about the Miles edited "Evil

> River: An Autobiography", to be assembled from Burroughs' journal notes in

> the 80's.

 

Hey! I've been trying to find out something about this _Evil River_ book

for a long time. More than a year ago, a listing for it appeared in Books

in Print (with "publication date not set"). I posted repeated inquiries to

the list about it, but no one ever responded. Where did you find out about

it?

 

*******

Jeff Taylor

taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

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At 03:18 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote:

>It's impossible to guess how Jack et al may have made use of this new

>technology. Don't be to sure of your position. With the sheer volume of

>letters available I believe they would have made good use of email. I also

>believe they loved experimenting with different media to express

>themselves. Look at Jack's adventures onto records, William's in film and

>cds, and Allen's recordings and use of video. They experimented with

>film, music, tape players, and more recently video and cds. I find it hard

>to believe they would have disregarded something as powerful as

>contemporary computers. Yes they lived life instead of sat in front of a

>terminal and yes they drank wine and cried. They also loved to drink and

>discuss and argue and critique. They were thirsty for information and

>would have used the internet to quench their thirst. You forget the hours

>and days that Jack spent in front of his typewriter driven by benzadrine.

>Storing "On The Road" on a floppy makes as much sense as a teletype roll.

 

I agree here for sure.  He would have loved the word processor where he

could sit and type for as long as he wanted without having to worry about

stopping to hit the return bar (not a big deal for him as it is part of the

typing process) but more so he wouldn't have to have stopped to put in

another piece of paper.  That was the reason he taped the paper together and

later used the long teletype rolls.

 

He never would have had to deal with the concentration breaking paper

aspects of typing.

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs archives

 

I posted this once before on behalf of James Grauerholz, but it's worth

posting again. This was in response to a question raised by listmember Jason

De Matte, who was wondering about the disposition of the Burroughs Estate,

including his guns:

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--------

James Grauerholz, who has been with Burroughs for over 23 years, is his heir.

 The estate is set up (like Allen Ginsberg's) as a Trust.  James intends to

administer this Trust as a sacred legacy, continuing the artistic and social

purposes of Burroughs' entire life and work.

 

None of WSB's personal possessions (such as his guns) will be sold; his house

is being kept just as it was during his lifetime, by a caretaker who is a

close friend, and his two surviving cats (Ginger and Muty) are lovingly cared

for, in the home.  The majority of the archives are already on deposit at

Ohio State University, and WSB's letters and mss. will _not_ be sold on the

collector's market, at all.

 

Forthcoming artistic works include (not in order of projected release):

 

(working title) Last Words:  The Final Journals of WSB -- based on writings

from the last two years of William's life; publisher probably Grove/Atlantic,

but not yet set

 

Word Virus:  The Selected Writings of WSB (Grove/Atlantic) -- a "portable"

Burroughs reader, edited by James G. and Ira Silverberg

 

The Third Mind (Grove/Atlantic) -- a facsimile edition of the original 1965

Burroughs-Gysin collage manuscript (as seen in the LA County Museum catalog

for the "Ports of Entry" show)

 

(working title) Prakriti Junction: A Portrait of William Burroughs, Jr.

(Grove/Atlantic) -- a collection of Billy's unpublished writings from the

last seven years of his life ('74-'81), with letters by him and to him,

interviews and other documents; edited by David Ohle

 

The Letters of William S. Burroughs, Volume II, 1959-1974 (Viking Penguin) --

a continuation of Volume I (1945-1959), edited by Oliver Harris

 

(working title) Evil River: An Autobiography (Viking Penguin) -- composed of

memoir writings by WSB made during the 1980s, edited by Barry Miles

 

William S. Burroughs on Giorno Poetry Systems (Mouth Almighty / Mercury

Records) -- a four-CD boxed set of all of WSB's recordings issued on the GPS

label, plus some never-released material, accompanied by five

fully-illustrated booklets of text etc.

 

Naked Lunch, The Audiobook (performed by WSB) -- originally released by Time

Warner Audio Books in 1995, with music by Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz and

Eyvind Kang, produced by Hal Willner and James Grauerholz; to be re-edited by

HW & JG for re-release in an improved version

 

Queer, The Audiobook -- to be performed by Steve Buscemi this year

------------------------------------------------------------

 

I don't have the details (who does? can you post them?) but there's an art

exhibit featuring paintings by Burroughs and George Condo in New York right

now, for those of you in that neck of the woods.

 

diane

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Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

 

to the person who originally posted about kathy acker:

 

where did you hear that she died?

 

when did it happen?

 

and how?

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From:         Kris Kurrus <kurrus@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Subject:      Death of Kathy Acker

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Just an FYI to all those interested... I got this post in this morning's

email, after reading here that she had died....

 

<snip>

 

>Yes, Kathy died at 1:30 a.m., 30 November, in Tijuana,

>from cancer.  She'd been fighting it years, thought she had it licked

>last spring, then in October discovered it had taken over her body.  She

>was 50.  We were good friends, so it's a hard loss.  She taught us all

>so much.

 

<snip>

 

Just a note: Kathy's memoriam picture at the hub, was shot by Allen

Ginsberg in 1985, and she wrote "In Memoriam 2 Oblivion"  last spring....

she admired Burroughs, and he taught her the "cut up" that she later

rejected.... needless to say she was a familar of the beats....

 

she was a great author, who will be remembered for years to come....

 

 

******************************

kris kurrus

 

all extremes were popular with that crowd

the singers shouted the musicians stomped and howled

the dancers ground each other past passion or moved so fast

it blurred intelligence

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From:         Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Subject:      Beat Bars/Taverns

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Being relatively new to NYC, I was wondering what bars the beat writers

used to hang out in (or what bars that are still operating)  I know of

McSorley's of course..but what other current bars are out there that have

a beat history?

 

rjw

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From:         Glenn Cooper <coopergw@MPX.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs' letters/routines

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At 14:51 02/12/97 -0600, you wrote:

>On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Neil M. Hennessy wrote:

>

>> can't recall right now). I haven't been able to track down a copy of

>> Letters to Allen Ginsberg, but I imagine there's more goodies in there.

>

>My library has a copy of _Letters to Allen Ginsberg_. I haven't gone thru

>it all, but it appears that there's little or nothing in it that isn't

>also in the later Harris-edited volume (except for brief intros by WSB &

>AG).

>

>*******

>Jeff Taylor

>taylorjb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

>*******

>

I have a copy of Letters To Allen Ginsberg. Now, I live in a small town in

Australia (Tamworth) where getting books is next to impossible. About eight

years ago, I went into the bookstore here, and ordered Letters to AG, never

expecting to hear another thing, as is usually the case. To my

astonishment, about two months later the book arrived! I couldn't believe.

To this day, I still can't believe it. Yet, here it is, right in front of

me. Published by Full Court Press in 1981. To this day, it remains the only

WSB I've ever managed to get in Tamworth ... One for Ripley's.

 

Glenn C.

 

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 to achieve it through not dying."

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There's the White Horse Tavern on Hudson Street, The West End Bar near Columbia

(around 114th)...The Kettle of Fish and the Cedar bar are in new locations.  Bi

ll Morgan's book contains additional information.

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From:         Anthony Celentano <VegasDaddy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Beat Spirit

 

I wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!

 It is real real stupid and it is an insult to the beat writers, what a

stupid book!   I thumbed through the piece of shite at Shakespeare and Co

here in Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or somethin

like that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap  your fingers, snap them all

the time, and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying

"dig!"".....I wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a radiator!

 

Anthony

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Crooked Road

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I recently picked up a book called "Kerouac's crooked road", (author?) and

its about Kerouac's writing process. I was suprised to find out that

Kerouac did several meticulous revisions of On The Road. Its a very

interesting book...

 

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: at the end of a gone year .......

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I'd love to go to McSorely's but unfortunately, not everyone on the list

is wholly legal....

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Sean Young wrote:

 

>      hey all,

>

>

>      Here at the end of a year of so many gone. Allen gone, my father Don

>      Young gone, Jeff Buckley gone, Burroughs gone, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan

>      gone, Acker gone ......etc. I feel like I need to get my feet on the

>      ground. so much spinning in loss.

>

>      What's the next phase? When will there be a return of wonder (to quote

>      Ferlinghetti)? Is it already here? Am I asleep in my walking already

>      too far gone?

>

>      I am heading to New York for five days around New Years. I've got my

>      Bill Morgan book in hand and I am hoping to check out some of the

>      haunts. I also hope to check out the St. Marks Poetry marthon reading

>      on New Years Day. I might also visit Anthology Film Archives, hoping

>      to find more info on Harry Smith.

>

>      I was wondering if any of you NY area BEAT-L'ers might like to meet at

>      McSorley's for a drink. Let's drink to the return of wonder.

>

>      Peace be upon you all,

>

>      Sean D. Young

>

>      syoung@dsw.com

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Bars/Taverns

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Dylan Thomas died at the White Horse Tavern. May I recommend the

mozzarella sticks, grilled cheese and Sam Adams?

 

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Bill Gargan wrote:

 

> There's the White Horse Tavern on Hudson Street, The West End Bar near

 Columbia

> (around 114th)...The Kettle of Fish and the Cedar bar are in new locations.

 Bi

> ll Morgan's book contains additional information.

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat Spirit

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Was this meant to be a serious publication or was it a satire/parody

thing?

 

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Anthony Celentano wrote:

 

> I wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!

>  It is real real stupid and it is an insult to the beat writers, what a

> stupid book!   I thumbed through the piece of shite at Shakespeare and Co

> here in Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or somethin

> like that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap  your fingers, snap them all

> the time, and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying

> "dig!"".....I wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a radiator!

>

> Anthony

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Though this has probably been talked about before....

 

I just got the ROMnibus as the developers offer a much better price than

Penguin.  It is in-fucking-credible, as the kids say.  There is just so

much information there.  The sound and picture archive is phenomenal.  I

only go a chance to play with it for about an hour and was completely

enthralled.  Am planning to kill all  5 hours of work in the lab Thursday

night with it.  I don't care what your opinion is of the Beats and

technology, you will be fascinated.  I love the fact that it plays the

Steve Allen clip each time you boot it up.  If only to use the CD, it

makes the upgrade I'm shelling out for worth it.

 

------------------

Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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wah! I dont have CD-ROM...:(

 

 

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Alex Howard wrote:

 

> Though this has probably been talked about before....

>

> I just got the ROMnibus as the developers offer a much better price than

> Penguin.  It is in-fucking-credible, as the kids say.  There is just so

> much information there.  The sound and picture archive is phenomenal.  I

> only go a chance to play with it for about an hour and was completely

> enthralled.  Am planning to kill all  5 hours of work in the lab Thursday

> night with it.  I don't care what your opinion is of the Beats and

> technology, you will be fascinated.  I love the fact that it plays the

> Steve Allen clip each time you boot it up.  If only to use the CD, it

> makes the upgrade I'm shelling out for worth it.

>

> ------------------

> Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

> kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

> http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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The author is Tim Hunt.  Good book if you like this sort of thing, ie

literary analysis.

 

The other one I am aware of is the Spontaneous Poetics of Jack kerouac by

Regina Weirich (whose last name I believe I misspelled).

 

 

 

>I recently picked up a book called "Kerouac's crooked road", (author?) and

>its about Kerouac's writing process. I was suprised to find out that

>Kerouac did several meticulous revisions of On The Road. Its a very

>interesting book...

>

>

>The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

>Sure-JK

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>Was this meant to be a serious publication or was it a satire/parody

>thing?

>

 

I didn't see the finger snapping dig part but I gathered it was meant to be

serious.

 

 

>

>On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Anthony Celentano wrote:

>

>> I wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!

>>  It is real real stupid and it is an insult to the beat writers, what a

>> stupid book!   I thumbed through the piece of shite at Shakespeare and Co

>> here in Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or somethin

>> like that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap  your fingers, snap them all

>> the time, and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying

>> "dig!"".....I wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a radiator!

>>

>> Anthony

>>

>

>The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

>Sure-JK

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At 08:52 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote:

>I wanted to rend the book to tatters and burn it when I saw the damn thing!

> It is real real stupid and it is an insult to the beat writers, what a

>stupid book!   I thumbed through the piece of shite at Shakespeare and Co

>here in Manhattan...recall one part about "how to be a TRUE Beat" or somethin

>like that..."to be "beat", you've got to snap  your fingers, snap them all

>the time, and right after you snap them get in the habit of saying

>"dig!"".....I wanted to break my teeth by means of expressing a radiator!

>

>Anthony

>

>

Whaddya mean, that's how all the rest of us became beatniks!

 

Mike Rice

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Crooked Road

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I'm using it as a secondary source for a paper Im writing for my writing

workshop class (yuck) on Kerouac's central preoccupation in his essays. Im

using some stuff from "Good Blonde and Others" as essays because I wanted

to use an author I really liked,so I took the liberty of creating a loose

definition of essay, which Kerouac's just happened to fall under...ahem.

~Nancy

 

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

 

> The author is Tim Hunt.  Good book if you like this sort of thing, ie

> literary analysis.

>

> The other one I am aware of is the Spontaneous Poetics of Jack kerouac by

> Regina Weirich (whose last name I believe I misspelled).

>

>

>

> >I recently picked up a book called "Kerouac's crooked road", (author?) and

> >its about Kerouac's writing process. I was suprised to find out that

> >Kerouac did several meticulous revisions of On The Road. Its a very

> >interesting book...

> >

> >

> >The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

> >Sure-JK

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:31:34 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Some of the Dharma

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Anyone going tonight? I'll see you there!

~Nancy

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:51:59 -0500

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Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as

a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)

and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a

reason for Jack's reversal of genders?

~Nancy

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:15:31 -0400

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From:         Preston Whaley <paw8670@MAILER.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Gender of Nature...

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>Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as

>a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)

>and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a

>reason for Jack's reversal of genders?

>~Nancy

>

>The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

>Sure-JK

 

The man on the moon is a man on the moon not the moon.  Ancient Egyptian

god is the sun god -- "Ra." Louis XIV was Louis the "Sun King."  The Sun is

imagined active, the moon passive.  Old as patriarchy. The man on the moon

is where you'd expect him to be.

 

Preston

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:41:30 -0600

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gender of Nature...

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>

> >Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as

> >a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)

> >and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc).

 

While I bemoan the fact, legends have it that a star including ol sol is

usually male, the dear moon, a strong feminine force. My astrologist

says that women are often more like their moon than their sun sign. One

of my first stories was sharply critiqued in class for i had a wandering

star transformed into a woman here on earth.  The guys basically said ,

stars are guys.  Of course i am thankfull for the more gender flexible

age we live in.  for the stars i believe spin either way.

patricia

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:45:49 -0500

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Gender of Nature...

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Generally the moon is tied to the feminine nature for many reasons.  The sun is

tied to masculine nature.  There is a good section in The White Goddess wherein

Graves discusses the difference between the muse poet who is connected with the

moon goddess and the Appollonian poet who is connected with the sun or father

god.  I believe that Jack would be very accurate in his description of the moon

as feminine and the sun as masculine.  After all, Appollo drives the chariot,

at least sometimes.

 

 

Preston Whaley wrote:

 

> >Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as

> >a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)

> >and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a

> >reason for Jack's reversal of genders?

> >~Nancy

> >

> >The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

> >Sure-JK

>

> The man on the moon is a man on the moon not the moon.  Ancient Egyptian

> god is the sun god -- "Ra." Louis XIV was Louis the "Sun King."  The Sun is

> imagined active, the moon passive.  Old as patriarchy. The man on the moon

> is where you'd expect him to be.

>

> Preston

 

 

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:08:44 +0000

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From:         ALAN PETER MADDRELL <apm5@ABER.AC.UK>

Subject:      Something to say etc....

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>You can sit at a stupid coffee house and say,

>"yea, the beats were cool and I really liked their

>message."  Fuck that. I am already talking shit because the

>"beats" (at least when they were for real. I'm not talking

>about Burroughs wierd new shit on CD or Cassidy riding

>around in a colorful bus).  But fuck it.

>Bonck, David D

>bonckdd@jmu.edu

 

Seems to me this thought encapsulates a lot of the talk that has been

floating around this list for a while. 'S true, I am certainly with David

on some points here. As I understand it, the beat spirit has nothing to do

with the time in which it most notably occurred (namely '40s-'60s, very

broadly). Critic might say that the movement sprang from bomb horror,

postwar angst and so on, but these are merely the symptoms. I wouldn't find

it surprising if a near exact parallel movement arrived on my doorstep

tomorrow. Same horrors, my dears, just the words change and the means

through which they may be expressed.

 

Jesus, three o'clock in the PM and drunk already. Not good...

 

So, my tuppence's worth says it doesn't matter through which medium the

message is to be obtained. CD-ROMs are *just as much* an avoidance of True

Living as books are. Literature, by (tentative) definition, is an escape

from the ghastly banality of the process of living as is any other form of

art. Otherwise, why bother? It's a common misconception to think that books

are somehow superior as art works to theatre, a painting, sculpture, film

or a really decent CD-ROM. Each has their merits, and I have studied them all.

 

The dangers of attaching the beat generation to a specific period in time

have been expressed pretty well in "Beatnik" by Toby Litt, a new novel in

which a group of teenagers become obsessed with the idea of 1966, and cut

out from their lives anything that arrived on the scene after that. At

times I am reminded of these tragic chars. by some of the antics of those

who would eulogise and chemically preserve an unrealistic ideal of life at

that time. My advice? Don't wear black, don't snap your fingers, and don't

call anything or anyone "hep" or "cat". A tenner says no real beat ever did

after it became "cool" to do so.

 

Consequently, the B-Boys nicely capture the beat spirit (as incidentally do

Genet, arguably Keats etc.), whilst not being tied to the time. To my mind

the greatest of the writers of that time, Burroughs, said this in The Job:

------------------------------------------------------------------------

To travel in space you must learn to leave the old verbal garbage behind:

food talk, priest talk, mother talk, family talk, love talk, party talk,

country talk. You must learn to exist with no religion, no country, no

allies. You must learn to see what is in front of you with no

preconceptions.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

I think it's reasonable to include time talk in that as a footnote.

 

Well, that's me de-lurkified for a spell, just seemed worthwhile to point

out that in his first post David observed something quite central to the

nature of the study of beat literature.

 

ttfn,

 

Alan Maddrell

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:12:09 -0500

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From:         Sean Elias <SPElias@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Beat Generation multi-media???

 

bought a cd rom called  the beat  experience...put out by voyager... a lot of

fun, interesting............

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:12:13 -0500

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From:         Sean Elias <SPElias@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

 

I hope to heaven this is not true--that she has died.  I saw her in a

performance with the Mekons at the MCA just over a month ago.  She seemed in

good health and spirits at the time.  She was a wonderfully obnoxious sexy

surrealist avant garde author.

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:30:46 -0800

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> Alan Peter Maddrell wrote:

 

> So, my tuppence's worth says it doesn't matter through which medium the

> message is to be obtained. CD-ROMs are *just as much* an avoidance of >

> True

> Living as books are. Literature, by (tentative) definition, is an >

> escape

> from the ghastly banality of the process of living as is any other form

> of

> art. Otherwise, why bother?

 

Just how tentative is your definition?: "Literature...is an escape from

the ghastly banality of the process of living."  No doubt some literature

is meant to be an escape, mostly the top ten paperbacks on the New York

Times' bestseller list.  There are some books you read to escape, others

to seek more understanding of what it means to be human.  Most Beat

literature I would put in the second category and not the first.  Most of

us on this list probably have an affinity for Beat literature because we

identify with the lifestyle and the ideas.  But I doubt many of us escape

true living by being caught up in literature. Most great literature, no

matter who it is written by, gives us insight into the nature of the

human condition, so in fact we do not escape our own condition but

broaden our ideas of what life is about by the insights of others into

human psychological and philosophical dilemmas.  Good literature moves us

emotionally and reconnects us to, not disconnects us from, the the human

experience.  I really don't see how anyone can read Kerouac, Ginsberg, or

Burroughs as escape-ism. I read it and most good literature as a way of

enriching the meaning of my own life.  How can reading Kerouac, for

instance, allow you to escape from true living? How, by reading him, can

you escape your own despair or moments of joy, a dualism that is a part

of everyone's life?  If anything he accentuates pain and death and the

constant struggle of each of us to come to terms with these things in our

own lives.

DC

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Woodrow Wilson (Woody) Guthrie (1912-1967)

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        song to woody                   by Bob Dylan (1962)

 

        I'm out here

        a thousand miles from home

        walking a road

        other men have gone down

        I'm seeing a new world

        of people and things

        hear paupers and peasants

        and princes and kings

 

        hey hey woody guthrie

        I wrote you a song

        about the funny old world

        that's coming along

        seems sick and it's hungry

        it's tired and it's torn

        it looks like it's dying

        and it's hardly been born

 

        hey woody guthrie

        but I know that you know

        all the things I'm singing

        and many time more

        I'm singing you this song

        but I can't sing enough

        'cause there's not many men

        that've done the things you've done

 

        here's to cisco and sonny

        and leadbelly too

        and to all the good people

        that travelled with you

        here's to the hearts

        and the hands of the men

        that come with the dust

        and are gone with the wind

 

        I'm leaving tomorrow

        but I could leave today

        somewhere down the road

        someday

        the very last thing

        that I'd want to do

        is to say

        I've been hitting some hard travelling too

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From:         "L.W. Deal" <RoadSide6@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Something to say etc....

 

In a message dated 97-12-03 12:35:09 EST, DC writes:

 

<< Most great literature, no

 matter who it is written by, gives us insight into the nature of the

 human condition, so in fact we do not escape our own condition but

 broaden our ideas of what life is about by the insights of others into

 human psychological and philosophical dilemmas. >>

 

I'm with you on this one wholeheartedly, DC. Reading Kerouac, Burroughs, Jim

Carroll, etc etc etc has done nothing but greatly deepen my understanding of

what it is to live & to relish & to realize.... You said it all & said it

damn well...

 

Starfishes from Seattle

LD

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Kris Kurrus wrote:

 

> Just a note: Kathy's memoriam picture at the hub, was shot by Allen

> Ginsberg in 1985, and she wrote "In Memoriam 2 Oblivion"

 

Pardon my ignorance, would you mind saying a little more about In

Memoriam 2 Oblivion ?

Sorry to say that I'm one of those lost sheep who didn't have a clue

about who was Kathy Acker...

 

thanks in advance,

daniel caridade

caridade@mail.telepac.pt

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:16:34 -0500

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From:         Nancy B Brodsky <nbb203@IS8.NYU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Gender of Nature...

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Point well taken. Thanks for the clarification....

 

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Preston Whaley wrote:

 

> >Has anyone noticed that in, Desolation Angels, Jack refers to the moon as

> >a she and the sun as a he? Usually, the moon is male (the man in the moon)

> >and the sun is female(giver of light, life, etc). Do you think there's a

> >reason for Jack's reversal of genders?

> >~Nancy

> >

> >The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

> >Sure-JK

>

> The man on the moon is a man on the moon not the moon.  Ancient Egyptian

> god is the sun god -- "Ra." Louis XIV was Louis the "Sun King."  The Sun is

> imagined active, the moon passive.  Old as patriarchy. The man on the moon

> is where you'd expect him to be.

>

> Preston

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

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Date:         Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:17:33 -0500

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Subject:      Re: Kathy Acker

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her obit was in this week's Voice...

 

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Sean Elias wrote:

 

> I hope to heaven this is not true--that she has died.  I saw her in a

> performance with the Mekons at the MCA just over a month ago.  She seemed in

> good health and spirits at the time.  She was a wonderfully obnoxious sexy

> surrealist avant garde author.

>

 

The Absence of Sound, Clear and Pure, The Silence Now Heard In Heaven For

Sure-JK

 



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