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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:57:40 -0700

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From:         Jorgiana S Jake <jorgiana@U.ARIZONA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: wichita and soul coughing

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Cathy Wilkie wrote:

 

> > i wasn't going to head to wichita cuz my step-dad is in the hosptial but

> > i'm going to shift gears and leave him to the doctors and head down to

> > see Wichita and visit Pat O'Connor and the Wichita State Library (and

> > look for some books so i can ask questions about them)....

>

> okay okay i have to say it :

>

> Anybody ever heard of a band call soul coughing????

>

> (true dreams of wichita???)

>

> some are claiming that the lyricist/singer is the newest thing in beat

> poetry, but in all interviews i've read about them, he says, "no man, i

> just like playing around with words."

>

> give a listen to them if you can, in particular their cd "ruby vroom"

> cw

>

 

Never listened to them, but a friend wanted "Ruby" for his birthday so I

bought it for him and the clerk was all happies and smiles about

them...maybe I shoulda opened the CD and listened to it before gifting

Scotty with it! :)

 

(Hi Cathie)

 

Jorgiana

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From:         Keith Medline <mrsparty@HOTMAIL.COM>

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     Well you attack my poem on the grounds that it is quite

unpatriotic.  The fact remains though that I have thrown out facts.

Solid facts, you have told me your feelings, those little demons that

Hemingway says betray us in our hour of need.

     If you have been living under a rock in the US you need to know

that the stock market fell over 556(?) points today.  It was the BIGGEST

crash in history (volume wise, not percentage)

     The stock market is a great indicator of how people feel about this

country and its prosects and hopes in the global web as defined by

Robert Reich.  Today we see once again that Americans are for the most

part cowards.  They have seen a small hole in the damn and instead of

patching it they ran for shelter.

     If you want to talk about cowardice look at it.  There is the prime

example.  Had the American people stayed with their holding instead of

getting scared at the sky falling, they would have bolstered this

economy.

     It is much like the confedrate charge on litte round top where

Chamberlain told his men to hold fast till the last man, last bullet,

last breath.  Then counter-attack and seize the moment.  Had Americans

taken a history lesson they could have seen that there is NO need for

the market to fall %11.7 since last WED.  Rather they could have reduced

this and then used that leverage to buy out other markets while the

American economy is strong.

     The home of the cowards, an example in progress.  Now in responding

I will only request that you use facts.  Not feelings and opinions, but

hard facts.  I am quickly tiring of armchair politicians critiqing my

poem on shaky facts.

     Your input has been vital as I am currently reworking the poem.

Bless you all.  i am even considering the fundamental change that i

fight so bitterly against....USA to World.

     The world is quickly shrinking and perhaps it is time to the world

for its injustices.

Keith

 

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:04:51 -0600

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From:         "Donald G. Jr. Lee" <donlee@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: group hug

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Lemme know about this group deal...I'm in Fayetteville, Ark., and dig this

whole scenario...been looking for an excuse to go back up to Lawrence,

anyhow!

 

Carry On My Brothers!

 

Don Lee

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:11:17 +0000

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From:         randy royal <randyr@MAILHUB.JAXNET.COM>

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at my church's used book store i found am ugly looking hardback copy

of herman hesse's siddartha. for only a quarter. that was yesterday.

randy

 

> i found two copies of Maggie Cassidy 1st edition at a place called Manny's,

> an art supply/used book store in New Paltz New York.   and the price i

> paid...12 cents each.  yes...that is right...12 cents each.  this was in

> 1976.

>

> john j dorfner

>

>

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:34:56 -0600

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Keith,

Your hypothetical case about left-handed and right-handed people was not

as far-fetched as you suppose. Way back when I started grammar school (in

Chicago, not in some rural school), the teachers tried to "convert" me

from being left-handed as a writer: I had to show up to school a half hour

before everyone else to practice writing with my right hand, and to stay

after school a half hour for the same purpose. I was also given extra

homework to do right-handed. About halfway through second grade, the

teacher finally gave up: she said that at least she could read what I had

been writing left-handed, which she couldn't do with my right-handed

writing. One result was that I worked especially hard on the clarity of my

script: I never wanted them to pick on me like that again. Oh, and

interestingly enough, I started stuttering during first grade; after the

teacher said that I could go back to left-handed writing, I have never

stuttered again.

Cordially,

Mike Skau

10/27/97

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:38:36 -0500

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to Michael as he's slipping a covert horseshoe into Gerry's glove.

 

Very nice touch Michael...that's what I'm looking for - an ample mix of

humour and thought! and no stridency....grace undr pressure.

 

 

 

        Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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        technical foul :)

 

        the Committee

 

        dbr

 

                *********************

 

David, It's about time we got back to the basketball model!

 

                ...where's my list of the sides we chose up last time

around! I love it!

 

        Antoine

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:40:44 -0500

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Congratulations Gerry. Are you the recipient or Kaufman or both. Do they

have an award for editing and one for the original work? Especially nice to

see what Gary Glazner said about his conversation with Elain Kaufman. Anyone

interested will find that the City Lights web site does a nice job of

showing off other work by Kaufman.

 

                Antoine   ....still reeling from that punch with the

"salted" glove

                                        thanks a bunch michael

 

        ************************

 

from Gerry Nicosia:

 

>Hi to everyone!       Oct 27, 1997

>        Just wanted to explain that I'll be scarce for a few days since I'm

>headed down to L.A. to collect the PEN USA CENTER WEST award for the Bob

>Kaufman book I edited (posthumously) called CRANIAL GUITAR (Coffee House

>Press).  Bob's book was picked as the best poetry book in the Western United

>States last year.  The awards ceremony is at the Biltmore in downtown L.A.

>starting 6:30 Tuesday evening.  Supposed to be movie stars reading the

>award-winning books.  Sounds like a kick.

>        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

>

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:36:49 -0800

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From:         John Arthur Maynard <prinzhal@IX.NETCOM.COM>

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At 19:32 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know anything about this writer/poet?  All I've go is what

>little I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).

>After searching all the library systems in the state, I found one

>collection of his work.  Does anyone know where I could find some good

>background info?  The resources here are limited (as one can tell from the

>above statement).  If anyone knows of an anthology or article or book with

>some info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally grateful.

>

>------------------

>Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

>kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

>http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

>

If you mean Ted Joans, I think they have a pretty good sampling of his work

in the Lipton Collection at USC.  I seem to recall seeing some titles on

Nettie Lipton's bookshelf, and I believe all of her small press collection

was sold to SC after her death.  John Ahouse, the American Literature

specialist at Doheny Memorial Library, will probably be able to tell you a lot.

 

Good luck,

 

John Maynard

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From:         Preston Whaley <paw8670@MAILER.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Subterraneans and the Cellar readings

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Hello,

 

Wondering if anyone knows if the movie Subterraneans is on video?  I

haven't been able to locate it in Tallahassee. Notorious as it is, I'm

thinking of writing about it in relation to the book for academic project

as an example of popular media spin on the Beats.  If anyone knows how I

might get hold of it please let me know.

 

Also trying to find Poetry Readings in the Cellar by Ferlinghetti and

Rexroth.  Maybe some could make a copy of it for me  for sale, barter,

blackmail.

 

In need,

 

Preston

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:08:33 -0800

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James Stauffer wrote:

>Don't remember the PEN crew paying much attention to Kaufman when he was

>among us.

>

Ditto for Jack Kerouac and Lowell.

        --Gerry Nicosia

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Anne Sneddon wrote:

 

 

> On a related subject, has anybody out there found a Kerouac early edition

> paperback in a thrift store? I had a fleeting vision recently about

> finding a 1st edition copy of OTR in a thrift store and have been

> extra-throrough when going through the book section.  Nothing so far, but

> I have found a few neato 50's/60's Ace science fiction paperbacks which

> are worth it for the cover art alone!

 

At the hospital where I work the volunteer department collects book

donations and stocks a little rack in the lobby, 25 cents a book.  Mostly

romance and Reader's Digest crap, but once in a while, pure gold....I

picked up a 2nd printing of the first Grove paperback edition of "The

Subterraneans," and another time three Chandler Brossard novels.  What a

deal!

 

Jym

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:32:29 -0600

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First off, it's Ted JOANS.

 

There's a great poem by Joans and an interview of him by Gerry Nicosia in

"The Beat Vision," edited by Arthur & Kit Knight (Paragon House Publishers,

New York 1987).

 

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> From: Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: Ted Jones

> Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:32 PM

>

> Does anyone know anything about this writer/poet?  All I've go is what

> little I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).

> After searching all the library systems in the state, I found one

> collection of his work.  Does anyone know where I could find some good

> background info?  The resources here are limited (as one can tell from

the

> above statement).  If anyone knows of an anthology or article or book

with

> some info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally

grateful.

>

> ------------------

> Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State

University

> kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

> http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:05:42 -0500

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Baseball... (with apologies to Patricia)

 

The poet Robert Kelly of Brooklyn wrote, some time ago, a dialogue about the

virtues and meaning of baseball.  One speaker is passionate about the sport

and the other can't understand his friend's enthusiasm.  If you are

interested in reading the piece it is available on the WWW at URL:

 

http://www.clark.net/pub/cosmic/kellya.html

 

 

I believe Kerouac's interest in baseball was a combination of his general

athleticism and the data set of baseball: the orderly historical records

that the sport has obsessed itself with. Kerouac was very much a database

ball builder keeping real records for his imaginary baseball universe and

for his reality based Dracut Tigers. (His interest in horse racing might

also be related to his record-keeping, recording personality.)

 

The beauty of BEAT-L, I can ask Gerry Nicosia the following trivial question:

It's about whether or not Skippy Roberge really played for the Dracut

Tigers.  You suggest in Memory Babe  that Jack and Scotty drafted Skippy to

help the team improve on its dismal 1-10 1937 season. My baseball

encyclopedia tells me Roberge  was born May 19, 1917 which would make him

almost 5 years older than Jack.  Wouldn't he have been too old to play on

the WPA-based Dracut Tigers in 1938?  Did they lie about his age or what? In

any case, you're right about Roberge making it to the major leagues.  He was

there for three years ('41, '42, '46, career batting average .220, with

three homeruns.).  Also, I have always assumed Kerouac was more a Red Sox

than a Braves fan but I don't have any specific reason for this view except

that all great writers and poets love the Red Sox, without exception.

 

Thinking there is no safe place but home, I'm rounding second...

 

Regards to all, Andrew

 

 

>At 05:52 PM 10/27/97 -0600, Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM> wrote:

>>i think this is a post about the world series, there is no place safe.

>>tell me baseball is beat because jack loved it. amerika spends its wad

>>on sports, little boy elbows gone at 12, parents calling 8 year old

>>rivals little bastards, money money money and of course drinking.

>

>

>Did you ever see Pull My daisy?  "Is baseball holy?" is one of the questions

>about holiness they were asking the priest.

>

>Dr. Sax has great baseball stuff.  I saw an anthology of baseball fiction

>once in the sports section of a bookstore and lo and behold a section of Dr.

>Sax was included.

>

>As I recall Scotty Boldieu (so named because of his stinginess in eating his

>candy bars) was the ace of the Dracut Tigers.

>

>

>>

>>Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

>>>

>>> I think the Florida marlins just won the World seies.  Renteria hit one up

>>> the middle in the 11th.

>>>

>>> Tony Fernandez was "the goat" (always unfair to call someone the goat to my

>>> mind--but they do) was Livan Hernandez the MVP.  This guy is just 22 years

>>> old and he had to escape from Cuba (escape--run away--flee) to come to the

>>> US and play.

>>>

>>> Go figure.

>>>

>>> "I love you Miami" is what he shouted.

>>

>>

>

>

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Cathy Wilkie wrote:

>

> > 2) C'mon, Gerry and Phil and Paul and Bill and Marie

> > and Richard and Leon -- how about we all meet somewhere

> > like Lawrence Kansas (in the middle of the country) and

> > have a big group hug, come on everybody what do you say?

>

> Levi:

>

> can i get in on the group hug thing?  I'm in iowa, and how much more in

> the middle of the country can you get???

>

> cw

dear hearts, i don't actually want to hug but i would look at you, feed

you, welcome you.  more beat parties, yess yess more beat parties.

p

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> Keith Medline wrote:

 

>      The home of the cowards, an example in progress.  Now in

> responding

> I will only request that you use facts.  Not feelings and opinions, but

> hard facts.  I am quickly tiring of armchair politicians critiqing my

> poem on shaky facts.

>      Your input has been vital as I am currently reworking the poem.

> Bless you all.  i am even considering the fundamental change that i

> fight so bitterly against....USA to World.

>      The world is quickly shrinking and perhaps it is time to the world

> for its injustices.

> Keith

 

The stock market has little to do with cowardice, but more with the law

of gravity (fact), what goes up, must come down.

DC

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Patricia Elliott wrote:

>

> Cathy Wilkie wrote:

> >

> > > 2) C'mon, Gerry and Phil and Paul and Bill and Marie

> > > and Richard and Leon -- how about we all meet somewhere

> > > like Lawrence Kansas (in the middle of the country) and

> > > have a big group hug, come on everybody what do you say?

> >

> > Levi:

> >

> > can i get in on the group hug thing?  I'm in iowa, and how much more in

> > the middle of the country can you get???

> >

> > cw

> dear hearts, i don't actually want to hug but i would look at you, feed

> you, welcome you.  more beat parties, yess yess more beat parties.

> p

 

i'm already starting to pack!

 

dbr

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"It's good to get high, and never come down" -tom petty

randy

> The stock market has little to do with cowardice, but more with the law

> of gravity (fact), what goes up, must come down.

> DC

>

>

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:44:29 -0600

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From:         Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM>

Subject:      Re: An Example in Action

 

>     The stock market is a great indicator of how people feel about this

>country and its prosects and hopes in the global web as defined by

>Robert Reich.

 

well, i guess than it should say something very positive- as the stock

market has been setting records like crazy these past few months.

 while you seek pure fact in response, can you measure the quality of a

country using only numbers?  If you can, than you won't find any country

in the world that is worth living in.

and i will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a

problem with this country.  take your french canadian ass back to quebec-

theres no room for you here.

i'm not asking you to change usa to world- i'm asking you to shove the

whole poem up your ass.

no, i don't think america is perfect. but i love it- with all it's

corruption, all it's crime, and all it's imperfections.

i'm sorry if everybody  takes offense to this post- my only intention is

to offend those that whine  about how terrible they think they have it

because they live here.

i react this way because of a passion i have for this country. not based

on fact, but based on feeling.

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Race:

 

Maher committed a personal foul there.  He did get the t to boot

though.  So, you are partially on there.  It looked like he was a

secondary defender trying to draw a charge in the no charge zone, got

run over, was scored on, and drew both the p and the t.

 

But, the Celtics will get beat by at least 15 on All Hallows Eve.  Just

a thought.

 

But, Jack did have a dream about playing basketball, remember.

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:08:42 -0800

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Subject:      Re: An Example in Action

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Keith,

 

You completely lose me in your economic analysis.  Are you suggesting

that if the participants in the market, in their collective wisdom, had

decided not to sell and instead leveraged their positions to buy more in

foreign markets that this sort American buy- out of foreign economies

would be a good thing?

 

Are you also suggesting that American confidence in the country was high

until the Hong Market experienced problems and now is in tatters?  Would

this suggest that your critique wasn't the case last week.  This

uniquely American cowardice is brand new?

 

As Diane C pointed out, markets go up and down in response to lots of

things.  To take a 10% percent major correction in an overheated market

as a sign of American despair would be pushing it.

 

I'm certainly not telling you to love it or leave it, as someone seems

to be suggesting--but don't see your logic following a logical course at

all.

 

j stauffer

J. Stauffer

Keith Medline wrote:

 

>

>      Well you attack my poem on the grounds that it is quite

> unpatriotic.  The fact remains though that I have thrown out facts.

> Solid facts, you have told me your feelings, those little demons that

> Hemingway says betray us in our hour of need.

>      If you have been living under a rock in the US you need to know

> that the stock market fell over 556(?) points today.  It was the BIGGEST

> crash in history (volume wise, not percentage)

>      The stock market is a great indicator of how people feel about this

> country and its prosects and hopes in the global web as defined by

> Robert Reich.  Today we see once again that Americans are for the most

> part cowards.  They have seen a small hole in the damn and instead of

> patching it they ran for shelter.

>      If you want to talk about cowardice look at it.  There is the prime

> example. (snip)  Had Americans

> taken a history lesson they could have seen that there is NO need for

> the market to fall %11.7 since last WED.  Rather they could have reduced

> this and then used that leverage to buy out other markets while the

> American economy is strong.

>

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Subject:      Re: An Example in Action

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>... i will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a

>problem with this country.  take your french canadian ass back to quebec-

>theres no room for you here.

 

In other words, AMERICA !!! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT !!!!

 

Hmmmmm, where have I heard that before?

 

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That point about Chamberlain is one that I had not heard before. He did

make a courageous and far sighted decision to hold the top while the

Confederates were too cautious.  It might have made the difference.

Like Renteria (sp) ball being 2 inches too tall if you are a Cleveland

fan.   Gettysburg is maybe the most depressing place I have ever been.

The sadness of the men who fought there is still in the air, the ground,

the trees.

 

I went and found the site where the SC regiment was camped the night

before Pickett's charge and then went and stood there, and walked out of

the woods to look up the hill they went up.

 

Lee obviously had lost his mind and it is right that Longstreet would

not give the order to charge.  But beyond that, think of the courage and

heart of the 150 or so who made it up the hill and fought for hours.  As

they went over the top the leader stated, "Let them taste cold steel

men."  It gives me goose bumps to think of those courageous doomed beat

souls.

 

Now, what was that about the stock market?

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

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Paul Simon said:

 

I been branded a communist because I'm left handed,

But that's just the hand I use, Oh never mind.

 

I been Kerouac'd and Ginzed,

Burroughed and gerryfrenzied,

maherd and attillaed till i'm blind.

I been whalen, norsed and michlined,

Snydered like a spider

in a world wide web.

DiPrimed in my prime,

Oh the beat list is where I spend my time,

 

Oh Albert, I dropped my harmonica,

Flak rock.

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

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http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:03:08 -0500

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      stay in touch

 

Gotta have a breather... got things to do, stories and books to write. No

time to be a responsible Beat-L member, because Beat-L simply takes more

attention than I have.

 

Stay in touch with me at my email address, listed up there at the top of this

letter.

 

I'll be back later, maybe in a month or so, when I've gotten ahead of my

work.

 

Lemme know if that group hug materializes.

 

diane

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I should have noted...

 

Bob Lewis wrote:

>... i will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a

>problem with this country.  take your french canadian ass back to quebec-

>theres no room for you here.

 

In other words, AMERICA !!! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT !!!!

 

Hmmmmm, where have I heard that before?

 

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> and i will say this- purely from the gut- fuck you if you have such a

> problem with this country.  take your french canadian ass back to quebec-

> theres no room for you here.

 

 this is a creepy remark of prejudice and i feel sick when i here a

"fellow" american talk this way.

 

> i'm not asking you to change usa to world- i'm asking you to shove the

> whole poem up your ass.

> no, i don't think america is perfect. but i love it- with all it's

> corruption, all it's crime, and all it's imperfections.

 

i love people, i love a little history,  i love home, i don't love

corruption and  i never will. and if thats your beef, that if,don't love

amerika rather than america then tooo bad for you wake up and smell the

glass ceiling, i hate the amerika that can afford to let children go

hungry for more than food.

 

> i'm sorry if everybody  takes offense to this post- my only intention is

> to offend those that whine  about how terrible they think they have it

> because they live here.

 

the goddam poem wasn't how bad he had it but how blind we were in both

tolerating and abbetting  how bad we made it for some people,  america

should be better than what it is, doesn't meant we hate it, (at least

for me) but it means we must open our goddam eyes and make it what it

should be. It is our job.

 

> i react this way because of a passion i have for this country. not based

> on fact, but based on feeling.

 

reminds me of the person who was explain about negros and the south , it

isn't that they are prejudiced it is how we really feel down here.  It

was a tragic moment in the discussion.

 

I was suprised, at the reactions.  I thought the poem showed a little

too much agnst but it is heart breaking to look at what this country is

compared to what it should could be.  but i agree it is provicial not to

say world but we start with where we are. we should take responsibility

there is no world, them and other countries, in some ways there is only

us, we are denizens. .I don't think it would be fair to leave americia

out of being a cold and dark place for many of its children.. I would

respect someone saying if you don't like it change it, not get out. that

is an old ticket and has been punched..

 

yeah i got pissed off, take your bigoted prejudice remarks and put them.

p

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Everyone bring what you can.  You don't gotta hug, just be you.  and all that

other stuff is kinda lika hug isn't it.  Just don't put me in the room wid da

snakes.  ;-)

 

Patricia Elliott wrote:

 

> Cathy Wilkie wrote:

> >

> > > 2) C'mon, Gerry and Phil and Paul and Bill and Marie

> > > and Richard and Leon -- how about we all meet somewhere

> > > like Lawrence Kansas (in the middle of the country) and

> > > have a big group hug, come on everybody what do you say?

> >

> > Levi:

> >

> > can i get in on the group hug thing?  I'm in iowa, and how much more in

> > the middle of the country can you get???

> >

> > cw

> dear hearts, i don't actually want to hug but i would look at you, feed

> you, welcome you.  more beat parties, yess yess more beat parties.

> p

 

 

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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From:         George Russell <CodyPomera@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ted Jones

 

I've been to a reading he gave here in Seattle.  I know he is now on vacation

in Africa, but he does reside here, at least for now.  Search for

Recollection Used Books (a bookstore here in Seattle, where he gave the

reading, I forgot the URL) and either e-mail the proprietor or they should

have books on him there.  Good luck.

 

-George

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      L'America della Pivano si salva dal rogo.

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A big thanks to Luciano Benetton, a fellow villager of mine,

both born in Ponzano Veneto (Treviso) in the land where the

meadows became hills in the "campagna veneta". i'm proud that

by synchronycity Benetton saves the books & articles written

by Fernanda Pivano, she (as stated in the Arpaia's news) was

planning to burn in a fire the archive 'cuz of the indifference

of the italian public administration,

 

saluti a tutti da

Rinaldo.

 

 

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        "L'America della Pivano si salva dal rogo"

        article by Bruno Arpaia (c) "la Repubblica"

 

Per anni la scrittrice ha cercato di donare alle istituzioni

la sua raccolta di volumi e di lettere degli artisti della

beat generation. Ora Benetton aprira' un Fondo.

 

 

Milano, 28 ottobre 1997,

 

Cinquatamila volumi e una fittissima corrispondenza durata piu' di

quarant'anni con Ernest Hemingway, Francis Scott Fitzgerald, Saul

Bellow, Alice B. Toklas, Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, Gregory Corso,

e poi con gli scrittori delle generazioni successive, come Raymond

Craver o Jay McInerney. Il preziosissimo archivio e la biblioteca

di Fernanda Pivano, "la donna che ha inventato l'America in Italia",

rischiavano di finire al rogo. E invece, per fortuna, quei libri e

quelle lettere, fondamentali per chiunque si interessi di letteratura

americana contemporanea, sono scampati al falo'.

 

Merito di Luciano Benetton, che ha preso personalmente contatti con

la scrittrice e le ha offerto alcuni locali in corso di Porta Vittoria

a Milano, nei pressi della biblioteca Sormani. Grazie alla Fondazione

Benetton, nascera' cosi' un "Fondo sudi e ricerche Fernanda Pivano",

che ospitera' e cataloghera' anche novemila volumi di letteratura

francese appartenuti a Riccardo, il padre della scrittrice, migliaia di

documenti inediti, ritagli, giornali, collezioni di introvabili

riviste underground, manoscritti e prime edizioni con dedica. Un vero

tesoro per gli studiosi, anche se "Nanda" preferirebbe che i frequentatori

del Fondo siano giovani e non quelli che lei, con un pizzico di

cattiveria chiama "i professori". Ha perfino ironicamente chiesto,

naturalmente senza ottenerlo, di vietare loro l'accesso, perche', dice,

"i professori mi hanno fatto la guerra per tutta la vita e non mi

va che adesso approfittino del materiale che ho impiegato anni a

raccogliere".

 

La Pivano aveva preso la decisione del "rogo" nel 1990, dopo anni

passati a insistere con le amministrazioni comunali di Roma e Milano

per trovare un rifugio alle sue carte. Ormai, nella casa di via

Senato, tra scatoloni e pile di libri, a stento si riusciva a camminare.

Ma quei contatti erano stati vani: intralci e ottusita' burocratiche

impedirono di accettare la donazione. "Mi hanno presa in giro per

tre anni", dice la Pivano, "per poi rifiutare senza una spiegazione".

 

Alla fine, non le era restata altra scelta:"Alla mia morte, bruciateli",

aveva ordinato nel suo testamento. Ora le tocchera' riscriverlo, ma

e' felice e commossa:"Non so dire come Benetton abbia saputo della

decisione di bruciare i miei libri", perche' in genere non parlo di

cose private. Fatto sta che ha compiuto un gesto molto elegante e di

grande generosita'. Sono orgogliosa e riconoscente".

 

La "sistemazione" della biblioteca e dell'archivio sono per la Pivano

il coronamento di un anno importante. A maggio, i suoi ottant'anni

sono stati festeggiati in tutta Italia. Genova, la sua citta natale,

le ha dedicato una serata al teatro Carlo Felice e le ha conferito la

cittadinanza onoraria. Le piu' importanti personalita' della cultura

hanno riconosciuto in varie occasioni il proprio debito nei confronti

di chi ci ha spalancato le porte di un'America nascosta e l'importanza

del suo lavoro. Un lavoro iniziato tanto tempo fa, quando, grazie a

Pavese, la giovanissima "Nanda" aveva scoperto la letteratura americana

e aveva fatto le prime traduzioni dell'"Antologia di Spoon River" e di

"Foglie d'erba" di Whitman. Poi erano venuti l'incontro a Cortina

con Hemingway, l'intensa amicizia con i poeti della beat generation,

imposti in Italia, quando farli pubblicare era un'impresa ardua e

difficile, la scoperta delle nuove voci della letteratura d'oltreoceano,

i libri e le migliaia di articoli che ci raccontavano di un continente

che cambiava. Unico neo di quest'anno, la mancata nomina a senatrice

a vita, proposta da Enzo Biagi, Dacia Maraini, Bernardo Bertolucci e

Lalla Romano. Ma e' una pecca da poco. La creazione del Fondo la

compensa ampiamente. "Per me e' davvero imprtante. Sarebbe stato un

peccato lasciar disperdere il lavoro di una vita".

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      help: the lion for real

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friends,

by the Campo Santa Margherita, in a shop window

Allen Ginsberg looks at me, i brought the lion

for real, worth buying, in the tracks there's

as a plus for the CD italian edition "the ballad of

skeletons" and "amazing grace" but there's isn't

the lirycs, help!, i appreciate if one can post it,

un mucchio di grazie in anticipo da

Rinaldo.

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: cheap used books (was Re: Steal this book)

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, randy royal wrote:

 

> at my church's used book store i found am ugly looking hardback copy

> of herman hesse's siddartha. for only a quarter. that was yesterday.

> randy

 

i went hogwild at a library book sale this weekend, ~15 books for $3,

including _a coney island of the mind_. and i recently bought the letters of

wsb, 1945-1959, been immersed in this for past few days. one thing i

wondered is what became of hinckle and his wife?

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"Why I love America"

by David Rhaesa

Grade 5

Heusner Elementary, Salina Kansas

Mrs. Bassett - Teacher

Mr. Roberts - Principal

 

WHY I LOVE AMERICA

 

        Why I love America?  That is a big why  Maybe it is because we have

more freedom than other countries.  Maybe it is because we are allowed

to elect our president.

 

        Most of all though, I think it is because there were: People who were

brave enough to come to an unknown world and settle a country with a new

form of government.  Men who declared their independence from England.

People who were willing to take a stand for what they believed was

right.  People who were not quitters, who stuck with it when the going

was rough.  People who were curious enough to investigate things so they

could expand their knowledge.  Great men <sic> who knew the difference

between true peace and mere disagreements.  Immigrants who struggled

past prejudice and made a name for themselves.

 

        Now think for a minute.  Are you this kind of person?  Would you keep

going or quit?

 

_____________

 

roflmao

 

went through elementary school files my mom saved -- art work and

writing mostly -- this morning.  I declared i wanted to be a writer when

i grew up when i was in SECOND GRADE!!!!

 

Now -- I was fairly serious in Gang of One about the bad hair days.

Don't think for a second that i'm in rose-coloured glasses seeing all

goodness and beauty in the universe.  i do see potential.  but the

distance between the present and the potential is so wide in the sounds

i hear that i am unable to even function physically in the "land that i

love".  So I understand the "screw you" feelings quite well.  But I find

that ultimately that attitude turns back on me and I screw myself.  I

found Patricia's notion of the importance of improvement and not

settling for the present state of affairs to ring true.  What is the

cliche -- the good is the enemy of the best! <grin>

 

And I understand the notion of "think globally act locally".  The

interconnectedness of events has been so extreme for me at times during

my psychosis that it "felt" as though not cleaning my closet could be

responsible for the stock market crash of the last Black Monday.

(actually, the afternoon before the last Black monday a kind gentleman

loaned me his visa card with no limits on it to make it through a rough

time! -- the reverberations of such an act were severe :) )....

 

rambling and headed to siesta.  watching the weather channel

 

pink floyd just ended a bit ago and "this land is your land" is playing

in my head.....

 

david rhaesa

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On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:05:03 -0500 Bob Lewis wrote:

 

 

> but as it turned out, she sounded clueless on the subject, and therefore

> i had no choice but to be a smartass about it.

> so if our student in need is still on the list- defend yourself! prove to

> us that you weren't just using us!

 

Hey!  Play nice!

 

Tom.

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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:18:01 -0400 Marlene Giraud wrote:

 

> From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>

> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:18:01 -0400

> Subject: losing it....

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

>

> dear list,

> i'm about at the end of my rope with all these off subject posts. i joined

> the list this past summer and was so thrilled to be discussing the literature

> that i love. I'm probably younger than most on the list (18) and maybe its my

> innocence, but i'm dying to get back to the real reason we subscribed here.

 

The main thing is, don't let it get to you.  Kids will be kids.  This argument

 thing

comes and goes in cycles.  Just hit the delete key...

 

Tom. H.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

"A Bear of Very Little Brain"

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:15:03 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Left handed

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this is great bentz. thanks.

mc

 

R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

 

> Paul Simon said:

>

> I been branded a communist because I'm left handed,

> But that's just the hand I use, Oh never mind.

>

> I been Kerouac'd and Ginzed,

> Burroughed and gerryfrenzied,

> maherd and attillaed till i'm blind.

> I been whalen, norsed and michlined,

> Snydered like a spider

> in a world wide web.

> DiPrimed in my prime,

> Oh the beat list is where I spend my time,

>

> Oh Albert, I dropped my harmonica,

> Flak rock.

>

> --

>

> Peace,

>

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:13:25 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      sad acrimony

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i hope i have kept my own mouth shut long enough after tangling with mr

walner to have some credibility behind what i have to say.

it seems that the acrimony from the kerouac estate thread has seeped

into the ground water beneath our beat club house and it appears to be

poisoning our pens.

i just want to say it makes me sick at heart to read things like "take

yr french canadian ass" whereever and stick this and that where the sun

down shine.

this is the only list to which i belong in which this level of  acrimony

seems to be increasingly the norm vs the occasional blip.

i write pomes, people like them or they don't - i chalk it up to

experience and taste.

i have opinions, dittto.

i occassionally get pissed off, ditto.

but i am aghast at how much this has grown to be the culture here.

like i said i live in a glass house and i've thrown the first stone thru

it.

i apologize if i have made anyone feel unwanted or not valuable. (as in

the case of mr walner)

so many accusations so few reality checks on our selves. so few

apologies.

marie countryman

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:37:29 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      antoine

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i don't think i can do justice to just who glad i am that you are back and

active among us, antoine, with your clarity and respectful attitudes,

may we all take a lesson from you.

mc

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:11:15 -0500

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From:         "Hemenway . Mark" <MHemenway@DRC.COM>

Subject:      Kerouac Source Material

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No one should be under the impression that there is no original Kerouac

material available for study by scholars. Attila Gyenis, editor of

Dharma beat has spent tow or three years writing to universities around

the country about their beat holdings. The results can be found in the

current and past issues of Dharma beat. I know he didn't make them up

because I received the letters while we were working together. Between

Dharma beat and the Kerouac Quarterly, many of the Kerouac things in the

NY Public Library and I think the infamous Lowell Collection have been

have been listed.

 

For those who are unfamiliar with the NY Public Library, the Berg

Collection is a division of the library. It's not like the OTR scroll is

sitting on a shelf in the stacks or in a filing cabinet on 42nd Street.

The Berg is a major archival collection of original literary material.

Last year, for the 100th Anniversary of the NYPL, they did 2 exhibitions

which included original manuscripts from English and American poets

beginning, I think, with John Donne and ending with  current stuff. Yes,

some of Kerouac's work was included. The exhibition was covered in

Dharma beat. Check out the NYPL website too.

 

For more info on Dharma beat magazine, drop a line to Attila Gyenis at

Dharma beat, Box 1753, Lowell, MA 01853.

 

Mark Hemenway

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:34:02 -0600

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Subject:      stock market

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sitting quietly doing nothing

daylight savings time comes

and the stock market crashes by itself ....

 

 

what is the meaning of the stock market crash!!!????

have you had breakfast?

yes....?....

do the dishes ....

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:26:26 -0600

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Subject:      Dreams -- Splicing in WSB (was Re: Seoncd cut up

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R. Bentz Kirby wrote:

>

> I am going to stick with Book of Dreams.

And I'm going to add from My Education: A Book of Dreams wsb.

This time, I will cut together

> approximately 2 sentences from 5 different pages chosen at random.  I

> will enclose the whole in quotes.  And remember it will make sense as

> this is about dreams anyway.  no promises concerning "sense" but perhaps the

 dreams across two friends from over time may come together in a sense.

 

 

>

> "A TREMENDOUS FAMILY SAGA, it takes place in a huge high apartment by

> the sea, the same sea of Tidal Waves and Sea Battles-- there are

> intelligent child girls, earlier in the opening of the Saga, in a big

> room, after something to do with the Girl of the Huge Room, Halvar Hayes holds

 a kitten by the neck choking it and me and someone else (Joe  Gavota was

 around) try to break his grip--"You're choking that cat to death!" -- The boys

 set up a guerrilla unit with the young Maize God.--

I cry and try clawing Hal's face, pushing his nose in, pulling

> his hair, everything, kicking, him in the balls so he'll leave that

> kitty go and he wont--now 'tis the other side of town but the same

> Bowery like darkness and after eating which takes me two hours and my

> thoughts are so vast while eating that when I wake up and realize my

> mind'd run thru two hundred dreay mind-weary Finnegangs Wakes, half

> awake goofball sleep--something to do with a waitress girl, burns--I

> leave and head back home to "First Avenue" tho geographically it's

> Eleventh Avenue West Side--and it's not that she doesnt love me,

> business and circumstance compel her to leave--(she loves me, she loves me

 not)-- "Shucks fellers, you got a REEFER?" -- DRIVING IN TWO CADILLACS one a

 '52 one a '47 Limousine, with a gang of friends--the driver is Jim

 Calabrese-Mexican kid--we're going Lombard St Frisco and part Lowell, go down a

 very steep hill, stop all to get out and buy cigarettes--Lousy, Guy Green, lots

 of girls--Jim is smiling--We went over some canal--"COOL IT" I say to a gang of

 crazy boys I been playin on the rollercoasters with, as one starts shouting

 loudly about the marijuana exploits I taught them-"Ah hell, cool it yaself" is

 the answer from my disciples--We're in our shorts and T-shirts, I feel tired or

 trying to keep up with the consequences of the Beat Generation and all

 lubrigious in the dream--Wake up in Lowell Skidrow--- Roast beef and mashed

 potatoes. -- 'T' is only the quite of the Sainte Jeanne d'Arc Church on the

 great gray day of Nov.21 1954 that I saw: "The Beatific Generation" -- T!

he story we have chosen is the longest, but considering the pictures, not very

 long. -- AT THE LONG ISLAND GRAYBEACH a big family reunion and event  but

 instead of starting off on time I goof at basketball in the empty Y court,

 removing coat but not shirt and tie and I'll get all sweaty--I go across the

 litters, enter a store, a beautiful sexy brunette says turning to her father

 "See, all the men go for me"--this after I apprasied her with appreciation and

 said something -- He had achieved a modicum of serenity in Alexandria, but the

 dogs made his life a hell. -- I start to wake up and forget all about her sex

 to speculate with myself and with them about these millions--(Railroad call,

 knock on door) -- And at that very day I see for the first time a brown ranch

 style prefabricated house being rolled out on wheels at San Mateo--right out on

 the road--and mention the dream to brakeman Neal McGee, who laughs and says,

 "Well that must have been a nightmare!" -- Or a writer ... hi!

s face bears scars of the early struggles, the years of neglect and scorn from

 the critics ... but just hold the line and you will be the grand old man of

 letters, with your napkin ring in a very special discreet restaraunt --

>

> And that is the end of the Book of Dreams/My Education cut up.  I think it is

 actually speaking to the list, what do you think?  David, catch this when you

 get back dude.  Did.  Your turn :) david

>

> --

>

> Peace,

>

> Bentz

> bocelts@scsn.net

> http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:33:34 -0800

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I'd still like to know why Attila Gyenis (Blue Ribbon Boy) keeps a post

office box in Lowell if he hasn't been there for a year and a half?  Somehow

I don't think I'd want to buy a used car from any of these guys.

        --G Nicosia

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:29:16 -0600

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From:         Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM>

Subject:      Apology to Keith...

 

Keith- rereading my statements- i'd like to apologize for my quick and

irresponsible response.

Patricia pointed out that it was prejudiced- i don't fully agree with

that, but it was offensive none the less.  who am i to try to repress

your opinions?

yes america has some huge problems. but i love america for what has and

is attempting to do- it has invited all nations and all races to come

under one roof- and form one nationality.  we have a history of

mistreating several of those races, but we are working on improving those

problems.

as i have heard before- the beat generation officially started when

america unleashed the atom bomb on the world.  one part of beat- mainly

JK's view, seeks out the beautiful america. another part- AG's and WSB's

views, appears to seek the negatives.  or are they just seeking an

improvement? america, when will you send your eggs to india...  a

request, or a statement about the values of america, or both?

hindsight is 20/20.  times like this i wish i could go back and change

history by editing what i said, ala 1984.  but i can't, so i can only try

to make amends.

so please continue with your poem- and disregard quick and irresponsible

posts from people like me.

Bob

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>And he did have to run away.  He left in Mexico when the Cuban team was

>playing there.  He did not have permission.  Rene Arocha was the first Cuban

>ball player to do that and he literally ran away.

 

He ran away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was

playing baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him

more than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.

 

He ran away to play baseball for big bucks.

 

j grant

 

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From:         Keith Medline <mrsparty@HOTMAIL.COM>

Subject:      My poem and Related Threads

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Fellow BEAT-L subscribers,

 

     5 days ago i asked for your opinions, I got what I asked for thank

you for your time and consideration.  I have made my final remarks

concerning the interpretation of this poem but as I have warned earlier

factions are bad and I see sides starting to coagulate. Please respect

this request and end the discussion.  I am happy to discuss this topic

on a back channel until I get corpal Tunnel, but out of respect for

other subscribers who want to know about Jack, Ginsy, and the rest of

the crew.

Please drop the subject on the main channel.

 

Thank you,

Keith

 

PS-Bill did not request this it was my own undertaking.

 

 

 

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BRAVO!

 

     Your point is well taken and I will concede it.  The men who fought

in ANY American war are the bravest most courageous men in the WORLD.  I

will agree.

 

     I am starting to see this trend that ALL of you well maybe not all

but most of you thought that my poem meant that I hated America.

Certainly not, I merely am pointing out the major faults about this

place.

     I stated that I am an Italian-American, well Italy has a lot of

porblems too.  Their parliment is the most unstable on Earth.  I feel

though that the Italians have had a rough go, especially in my ancesotrs

Sicily where they have not had a stable govrnment well ever. they were

Greek, Roman, carthaginian...  the list is long which gives rise to a

rebel spirit.

     If not for America i would NOT be at College,  I would not have

these clothes, I would not be writing this.  I do see however, that

American Capitalism is very corrupt, and has ruined this country, to an

extent.

     You are right, veterans deserve ALL THE LOVE AND HONOR IN THE

WORLD.

Keith

 

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Then you are a fool, without eyes.  However, lovely that must have been

when you were 7, grow up.  Open your eyes, or maybe you enjoy

 

>fuck you

>take your french canadian ass back to quebec- theres no room for you

here.

>shove the whole poem up your ass.

>my only intention is to offend those that whine  about how terrible

>they think they have it because they live here.

>i react this way because of a passion i have for this country. not

based

>on fact, but based on feeling.

 

lets see:

-You are a person with a narrow vocabulary since you have to resort to

"fuck you."  Perhaps words written by someone who isn't intellectually

pusilanimous would mean something.

-take your french-canadian ass back to quebec? WOW!  You have PERFECTLY

displayed my point why America is so completely ruined.   you think you

have the right to judge somebodies opinions based on yours without any

factual basis?  You say you love everything about America, well let me

ask you this: If your ancestors had come to a country where people told

them to take their ethnic ass back to their homeland, there is no room

for them here.  Do you honestly think they would have stayed?  Think

about that for a moment.

-shove the whole poem up your ass.  Thank you.  I am glad you have the

balls to tell the truth about what you think.  I commend you.

-Your compassion and lust for everything America(murder and all) is

noble.  However, I did not state in the poem anywhere, that I feel

oppressed myself in this country, I never even hinted that I think I

have it terrible because I live here.

 

     On a final note, your criticism is well taken.  Your method however

leaves a lot to be desired.  If you cannot formulate a rational and even

tempered opinion(even with facts and opinion combined to make a clear

statement) nobody will take you seriously.

     In the future, don't alienate an entire people because you feel you

have the right to.  Try to stay calm and not call names which destroy

your credibility. And use some fact, even one small piece of it would be

nice.

 

Thank You for your criticism,

Keith

 

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:30:09 -0500

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There is a little said about him in the book _The Beat Generation Writers_.

 

Jon

 

At 07:32 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know anything about this writer/poet?  All I've go is what

>little I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).

>After searching all the library systems in the state, I found one

>collection of his work.  Does anyone know where I could find some good

>background info?  The resources here are limited (as one can tell from the

>above statement).  If anyone knows of an anthology or article or book with

>some info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally grateful.

>

>------------------

>Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

>kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

>http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

>

>

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: An Example in Action

 

the stock market has no inherent value or meaning any more.  that say

something about America's economy and people to any of you?

 

ah, the tangled web of illusion....

 

ciao,

sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Diane Carter

Sent:   Monday, October 27, 1997 11:42 AM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        Re: An Example in Action

 

> Keith Medline wrote:

 

>      The home of the cowards, an example in progress.  Now in

> responding

> I will only request that you use facts.  Not feelings and opinions, but

> hard facts.  I am quickly tiring of armchair politicians critiqing my

> poem on shaky facts.

>      Your input has been vital as I am currently reworking the poem.

> Bless you all.  i am even considering the fundamental change that i

> fight so bitterly against....USA to World.

>      The world is quickly shrinking and perhaps it is time to the world

> for its injustices.

> Keith

 

The stock market has little to do with cowardice, but more with the law

of gravity (fact), what goes up, must come down.

DC

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:55:20 -0800

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Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:

>

> Did you ever see Pull My daisy?  "Is baseball holy?" is one of the questions

> about holiness they were asking the priest.

>

 

Baseball is holy! Hockey is holy! The puck is holy! The four-seam

fastball is holy! The ballpark and hockey rink and sandlot and shinny

game holy!

 

The world series is holy the Stanley Cup is holy!

 

Holy Jim Leyland holy Scotty Bowman holy Larry Walker holy Wayne Gretzky

holy Felipe Alou holy Brendan Shanahan holy Dutch Daulton holy Moose

Messier holy Mel Allen holy Don Cherry!

 

Holy the seventh-inning stretch! Holy Hockey Night in Canada!

 

Holy the brushback! Holy the left wing lock! Holy the grass fields! Holy

Maple Leaf gardens!

 

Holy America's national pastime! Holy Canada's national passion!

 

Holy the Elysian Fields, New Jersey, birthplace of baseball!

Holy Kelvington, Saskatchewan, Canada's hockey factory!

 

Holy the twostrikes-twoout-bottomoftheeleventh-suddendeathovertime GLORY

that is and should forever be sacred between fathers and sons!

 

 

...I had to speak up. It IS alright to love both poetry and sports, tho

I think I'm the only one in my town who does!

 

Adrien

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That means you are in, right?

 

leon

 

>I'll be back later, maybe in a month or so, when I've gotten ahead of

my

>work.

>

>Lemme know if that group hug materializes.

>

>diane

>.-

>

 

 

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From:         Levi Asher <brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      looking for ferlinghetti poem (fwd)

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Got this message in the mail -- does anybody know of this poem?

It sounds nice anyway.  If you have an answer, remember to cc

maureenmck@snet.net ...

 

Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:44:38 -1000

From: Maureen McKenna <maureenmck@snet.net>

To: brooklyn@netcom.com

Subject: looking for ferlinghetti poem

 

Mr. Asher,

for months now, i've been looking for a ferlinghetti poem(well,i'm 99%

sure it's ferlinghetti)that first got me interested in poetry when i was

going through my adolescent "nobody understands me" phase. now i'm a 47

year old with a poor memory & can only remember bits & pieces of it. it

was about a boy who, when he was very young, saw all of his school work

& drawings being put up on the refrigerator door by his proud mother. as

he got older, he received less & less attention & love, & none of his

work  got up on the refrigerator anymore. by the end of the poem, he

killed himself.

is this at all familiar to you? i'd really like to find it. any help

would be appreciated.

thank you,

Maureen McKenna

maureenmck@writeme.com

 

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:22:51 -0500

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From:         Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject:      ON THE ROAD oddity

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Hi everyone, especially everyone who has - or has access to - early editions

of Kerouac.

 

        I got the following e-mail from Rod Anstee a while ago and with the

recent posts about finding - or not finding - old, used copies of Kerouac

and the other Beats, this seemed a good time to post it.  Rod has a question

about a change made to the text of "On The Road". He expalins what raised

the question and the significance of the answer. Hope some of you have early

editions to look this up in!

 

        Antoine

 

        **************

 

from Rod Anstee:  [Nastees@aol.com]

 

A question re: the first edition of ON THE ROAD

 

Recently I read a section from ON THE ROAD at a poetry gathering

here in town -- this was in honour of the 40th anniversary of the

original publication, 5 September, 1957. I read the section in

which Kerouac describes his first "big opening day" on the road,

which ends, as anyone who's read the novel knows, in Jack being

forced to retreat back to NYC in a bus full of school teachers. I

had rehearsed this passage a few times using my battered old

SIGNET reading copy, but in the meantime I rec'd a copy of the

proper 40th Anniversary Edition, and so I took this along with me

to the reading.

 

     At the reading, I was surprised to discover a very small

difference between the two texts. When Jack finally accepts

defeat in the story, and abandons his dream of following Highway

#6 all the way across America, he accepts a ride into Newburgh,

NY where he later catches a southbound bus into the city. In the

first edition of ON THE ROAD (i.e. the Viking Press hardcover,

1st printing, 1957) he describes this ride as taking him "back to

Newburgh" -- the italics are in the original text. However, in

the new 40th Anniversay edition, I noticed that this phrase had

been revised to read "north to Newburgh." This was a logical

correction, geographically speaking, since Newburgh is located

north of the Bear Mountain Bridge, where Jack begs the ride,

therefore the trip to Newburgh was not "back" -- i.e. it didn't

retrace Jack's journey earlier in the day, but rather took him a

little further north, presumably to a place big enough for him to

catch a southbound bus. Some sharp person at Viking Press noticed

the error at some point and corrected it.

 

The key question is, WHEN EXACTLY WAS THIS CORRECTION MADE?

 

     That's because there is just the slimmest possibility that

this oddity actually constitutes a previously unnoticed "point of

issue" in regard to the first edition of ON THE ROAD, dividing

the so-called 1st printing into a "first issue" and a (less

valuable) "second issue."

     Obviously, that is a long shot. I feel it's far more likely that this

correction was made between, rather than during a printing, and

so it would be interesting to know if anyone with a 2nd or even a

3rd hardcover printing of ON THE ROAD in the their Kerouac

collections finds the original wording (i.e. "back to Newburgh")

or the revised wording ("north to Newburgh".)

     The most likely scenario of all, I think, is that this

correction was made a bit later, when the Viking/Compass edition

of the book was released in 1959. According to Annie Charters'

bibliography, this edition was released in both hardcover and

paperback. I have never seen a hardcover copy of this edition,

nor have I ever seen one offered for sale, though it still may

exist out there, as book dealers generally tend to concentrate on

"first editions", often to the extent of ignoring even rarer,

later editions. I have only ever seen the paperback version of

the Compass edition and my earliest printing of this edition

dates from 1960, and in this printing the error has been

corrected. However, I would be very interested in hearing from

anyone who has a proper first printing of the Viking Compass

edition (hardcover, or softcover) about what they find therein.

     All this is exceedingly easy to check out in your copies of

the book -- the error/correction in question occurs on p. 13,

BOOK ONE, Chapter 2, 10 lines down from the top of the page in all

of the existing Viking editions of the book, except the new 40th

Anniversary edition, which has been reset such that the passage

in question shows up on p. 11. The Signet editions were never

corrected, incidentally, and no edition (to date) printed in the

UK has ever been corrected either.

     I know this might seem a nutty inquiry to most, but if it

proves to be a genuine "point of issue" it will be rather

important news for all book dealers and collectors.

So thanks for your help.

 

CHEERS,   Rod Anstee

 Voice contact at  (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

 

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never

cease to be amused."

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:27:51 -0500

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Subject:      Re: An Example in Action

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Bob Lewis wrote:

<snip>

 

> i'm not asking you to change usa to world- i'm asking you to shove the

> whole poem up your ass.

 

 <snip>

 

Bob:

 

There's no need to give this sort of feedback to Keith.  He came to the list

with a well intentioned question and does not deserve to be dissed like

this.  We don't need to trample all over someone to express feelings.  I hope

you will lighten up on him some.

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:30:45 -0500

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From:         Slewfootsu@AOL.COM

Subject:      Test Test Ignore

 

Beat L Test

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:20:58 -0800

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

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At 12:22 AM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:

>>And he did have to run away.  He left in Mexico when the Cuban team was

>>playing there.  He did not have permission.  Rene Arocha was the first Cuban

>>ball player to do that and he literally ran away.

>

>He ran away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was

>playing baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him

>more than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.

>

>He ran away to play baseball for big bucks.

>

 

True, but also to play against and with the best in the world.  Big bucks is

a consequence of being the best.

>j grant

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:26:33 -0800

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ted Jones

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Isn't his name Ted Joans?

 

 

 

 

At 07:32 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know anything about this writer/poet?  All I've go is what

>little I've picked up (encouraged by Ginsberg, started Rent-A-Beatnik).

>After searching all the library systems in the state, I found one

>collection of his work.  Does anyone know where I could find some good

>background info?  The resources here are limited (as one can tell from the

>above statement).  If anyone knows of an anthology or article or book with

>some info on this guy I could be pointed toward I'd be eternally grateful.

>

>------------------

>Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

>kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

>http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

>

>

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:53:36 -0500

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From:         "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject:      See ya later. . .

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Well, I've been back for a few DAZE and I'm outta here

once again.  Too much crap for me!!!

 

Mike

 

PS. If anyone needs me, you know where I am.

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:59:00 -0600

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: What do you think??

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>At 12:22 AM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:

>>>And he did have to run away.  He left in Mexico when the Cuban team was

>>>playing there.  He did not have permission.  Rene Arocha was the first Cuban

>>>ball player to do that and he literally ran away.

>>

>>He ran away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was

>>playing baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him

>>more than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.

>>

>>He ran away to play baseball for big bucks.

>>

>

>True, but also to play against and with the best in the world.  Big bucks is

>a consequence of being the best.

 

Cuba has the lowest infant mortality rate in this hemisphere--possibly the

world.  Where are the big bucks that are the consequence of being the best

at saving the lives of infants? Or are big bucks not always the consequence

of being the best--just being the best at games?

 

j grant

 

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:00:36 -0600

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: stock market

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>sitting quietly doing nothing

>daylight savings time comes

>and the stock market crashes by itself ....

>

>

>what is the meaning of the stock market crash!!!????

>have you had breakfast?

>yes....?....

>do the dishes ....

>

>david rhaesa

>salina, Kansas

 

Or, "What does it all mean Mr. Natural?"

 

And I know I don't have to answer that question for you David.

 

j grant

 

 

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:04:21 -0500

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From:         Dave Redfern <mushroom@INTERLOG.COM>

Subject:      ballad of the skeletons

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At 08:14 PM 10/28/97 +0100, you wrote:

> there's as a plus for the CD italian edition "the ballad of

>skeletons" and "amazing grace" but there's isn't

>the lirycs, help!, i appreciate if one can post it,

>un mucchio di grazie in anticipo da

>Rinaldo.

>

 

the ballad of the skeletons

 

Said the Presidential Skeleton

I won't sign the bill

Said the speaker skeleton

Yes you will

 

Said the Representative Skeleton

I object

Said the Supreme Court skeleton

Waddya expect

 

Said the Military skeleton

Buy Star Bombs

Said the Upperclass Skeleton

Starve unmarried moms

 

Said the Yahoo Skeleton

Stop dirty art

Said the Right Wing skeleton

Forget about yr heart

 

Said the Gnostic Skeleton

The Human Form's divine

Said the Moral Majority skeleton

No it's not mine

 

Said the Buddha Skeleton

Compassion is wealth

Said the Corporate skeleton

It's bad for your health

 

Said the Old Christ Skeleton

Care for the Poor

Said the Son of God skeleton

AIDS needs cure

 

Said the Homophobe skeleton

Gay folk suck

Said the Heritage Policy skeleton

Black's are outa luck

 

Said the Macho skeleton

Women in their place

Said the Fundamentalist skeleton

Increase the human race

 

Said the Right-to-Life skeleton

Foetus has a soul

Said the Pro Choice skeleton

Shove it up your hole

 

Said the Downsized skeleton

Robots got my job

Said the the Tough-on-Crime skeleton

Tear gas the mob

 

Said the Governor skeleton

Cut school lunch

Said the Mayor skeleton

Eat the budget crunch

 

Said the Neo Conservative skeleton

Homeless off the street!

Said the Free Market skeleton

Use'en up for meat

 

Said the Think Tank skeleton

Free Market's the way

Said the Savings & Loan skeleton

Make the State pay

 

Said the Ecological skeleton

Keep Skies blue

Said the Multinational skeleton

What's it worth to you?

 

Said the NAFTA skeleton

Get rich, Free Trade,

Said the Maquiladora skeleton

Sweat shops, low paid

 

Sait the GATT skeleton

One world, high tech

Said the Underclass skeleton

Get it in the neck

 

Said the World Bank skeleton

Cut down your trees

Said the I.M.F. skeleton

Buy American cheese

 

Said the Underdeveloped skeleton

We want rice

Said the Developed Nations' skeleton

Sell your bones for dice

 

Said the Ayatollah skeleton

Did writer die

Said Joe Stalin's skeleton

That's no lie

 

Said the Middle Kingdom skeleton

We swallowed Tibet

Said the Dalai Lama skeleton

Indigestion whatcha get

 

Said the World Chorus skeleton

That's their fate

Said the U.S.A. skeleton

Gotta save Kuwaitt

 

Said the Petrochemical skeleton

Roar Bombers roar!

Said the Psychedelic skeleton

Smoke a dinasaur

 

Said Nancy's skeleton

Just say no

Said the Rasta skeleton

Blow Nancy Blow

 

Said the Demagogue skeleton

Don't smoke Pot

Said the Alcholic skeleton

Let your liver rot

 

Said the Junkie skelton

Can't we get a fix?

Said the Big Brother skeleton

Jail dirty pricks

 

Said the Mirror skeleton

Hey good looking

Said the Electric Chair Skeleton

Hey what's cooking?

 

Said the Talkshow skeleton

Fuck you in the face

Said the Family Values skeleton

My family values mace

 

Said the NY Times skeleton

That's not fit to print

Said the CIA skelton

Cantcha take a hint?

 

Said the Network skeleton

Believe my lies

Said the Advertising skeleton

Don't get wise!

 

Said the Media skeleton

Believe you me

Said the Couch-Potato skeleton

What me worry?

 

Said the TV skeleton

Eat sound bites

Said the Newscast skeleton

That's all Goodnight

 

        AG -- Feb 12-16, 1995

 

         E

Said the Presidential Skeleton

  A              E

I won't sign the bill

 

Said the speaker skeleton

B       E

Yes you will

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:46:11 -0600

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From:         Joey Mellott <peyotecoyote@IAH.COM>

Subject:      Re: wichita and soul coughing

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> From: Cathy Wilkie <cawilkie@COMIC.NET>

> To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

> Subject: wichita and soul coughing

> Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:40 PM

>

> > i wasn't going to head to wichita cuz my step-dad is in the hosptial

but

> > i'm going to shift gears and leave him to the doctors and head down to

> > see Wichita and visit Pat O'Connor and the Wichita State Library (and

> > look for some books so i can ask questions about them)....

>

> okay okay i have to say it :

>

> Anybody ever heard of a band call soul coughing????

>

> (true dreams of wichita???)

>

> some are claiming that the lyricist/singer is the newest thing in beat

> poetry, but in all interviews i've read about them, he says, "no man, i

> just like playing around with words."

>

> give a listen to them if you can, in particular their cd "ruby vroom"

> cw

 

I don't have ruby vroom but I have their new album "irresistible bliss."  I

like it.  It's a lot better for the crap that makes up indie rock these

days.  The music is jazz/hip-hop mixed with alt rock.  The singer does use

puns and alliteration quite a bit.  I like a band that can make a song

about math listenable.

 

my $.02

 

Joey Mellott : poet, writer, and poseur music critic

(peyotecoyote@iah.com)

"the socerers enter the ring, and the dancer with the six hundred little

bells (300 of horn, 300 of silver) shrieks his coyote call in the forest."

- Antonin Artaud

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:04:54 -0600

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Irving Leif,

You asked people to contact you about your Kerouac bib. I tried to do so,

but my university has blocked all transmissions to and from the netcom

domain, apparently because someone had been using that vehicle to send

e-mail bombs. Could you send a snail-mail address to the beat-l so that I

can contact you with some information you might not have.

Mike Skau

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:12:30 -0800

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: What do you think??

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At 03:59 PM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:

>>At 12:22 AM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:

>>>>And he did have to run away.  He left in Mexico when the Cuban team was

>>>>playing there.  He did not have permission.  Rene Arocha was the first Cuban

>>>>ball player to do that and he literally ran away.

>>>

>>>He ran away, YES, but he didn't have to run away to play baseball. He was

>>>playing baseball. He ran away to play in he US for a pro team that pays him

>>>more than all the teams in Cuba -- combined --probably make in ten years.

>>>

>>>He ran away to play baseball for big bucks.

>>>

>>

>>True, but also to play against and with the best in the world.  Big bucks is

>>a consequence of being the best.

>

>Cuba has the lowest infant mortality rate in this hemisphere--possibly the

>world.  Where are the big bucks that are the consequence of being the best

>at saving the lives of infants? Or are big bucks not always the consequence

>of being the best--just being the best at games?

>

 

 

Different professions have different pay scales of course.  One can be the

best speller in the world and not make much money or the best badmitton

player and not make a mint either.

 

In terms of salary we are talking about individuals.  I don't quite

understand how you are comparing an individual's ability and how it may

relate to his or her earning power with statistics about infant mortality rates.

 

I do see you are trying to make a point about your respect for the Cuban regime.

 

 

>j grant

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:30:15 -0600

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Subject:      Re: leif bib

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Mike,

 

Thanks for trying to contact me.  You can reach me during the day at my

e-mail address at the university -   ipl1@columbia.edu (that's ipl plus the

numeral one not two ls).  Not a bad university to be if you are into the Beats.

 

I'd really love to hear what you may have.

 

Irving Leif

 

 

At 05:04 PM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote:

>Irving Leif,

>You asked people to contact you about your Kerouac bib. I tried to do so,

>but my university has blocked all transmissions to and from the netcom

>domain, apparently because someone had been using that vehicle to send

>e-mail bombs. Could you send a snail-mail address to the beat-l so that I

>can contact you with some information you might not have.

>Mike Skau

>

>

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:55:53 -0600

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Subject:      poem by anne walden

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ever since that mispent bullet of passion was sent to us on the list,

this poem kept coming to my mind.  going through the box , i found it,

 

Romance

  poem by Anne Walden

 

She

  Born & lost in a throw of time

  I'm always thinking of shunning time

  because I change my mind or dress so often

  Cerulian: for your eyes

  Amber beads at dawn, a lilting surface

  whose light makes eyes fiery as if silenced

  ideas would suddenly be released out of head

  Color would jump at an offer, wouldn't you?

  Disjointed dreams owned by a Capitalist:

  my glistening black shoulders entering armchairs.

  A petrified thought so I'll stop talking

  and you speak.

 

Lover

  Your yokel ambition to be many of face

  & all seduction will halt my laziness

  if wanton eyes change please look this way

  Come 'round the bend and any woman

  you'd care to be is fine with me,

  we're unfeasible in a crowd, however

  and as dusk approaches let's zigzag out of here

  Compensations exist in the landscape

  and shouldn't be wxploited a great deal

  like patches of snow don't really

  sabotage romance do they?  Who are you?

  Can you breathe, attired flamboyantly?

 

She

  Ideals are noble but you are

  dressed to give a more modern touch

  to the room, although you rankle me

  the way you are young & require purification

  You sound me out because afternoon

  gives me desire.  I could be somber

  if a light rain would fall, I could be

  utilized if you"ll mountain climb

  anywhere in this Capitaist joint

  & and forgive the scheme of asking dumb questions.

  I'm not so deficient.  Kiss me

 

Lover

  Protein? Vengeance? Jealousy?

  We ought to get out together more often

  It's hard to explain how austerity

  gets in your bones, I am the child of

  one of you & it's easy to be taken in:

  Into all probability, into the years on end,

  into a liberation struggle, into a persistent

  pattern and my heart (which should be studying)

  breaks for you, for love of you

  In this way you are making me love

  a sumptuous ill-afforded item

  or lead me through premature twilight.

 

She

  In this way I"ll be appealing:

  Form is joy! In this way all of me

  will enter the lounge as if no one ever

  starved or sufffered, as if no one reads anymore

  as if that in itself could scare me, as

  if we are all economic exploiters coated in oil

  As if I could enter one room for the rest of life.

  aloof, tight-lipped I can hardly breathe

  being more abondoned than usual

  more than what you say, more than what

  you ever say, it's automatic

 

Wind in foothills

  Automatically dramatic, dominating

  and side by side with lavish texture & style

  You could always do this & are liberated-

  No going back! the wind says You

  are amusing & therefore the wind moves for you,

  spins for you and won't settle easily tomight

  Wind can be rueful too, and stubborn

  not behaving like any government.

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:10:36 -0500

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From:         "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac Source Material

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Mark:

 

I don't think anyone questions that some materials are available.  That is

not the question or the point.  You gloss over the fact that Sampas has, and

this was confirmed to me in person by the librarian at Berkeley, attempted

to force these libraries not to let people have access to any material that

was originated by Jack Kerouac.  This worked at the UMass at Lowell.  I have

seen comfirmation of the fact that scholars have been denied access to the

archives there.  The question isn't what is out there.  The question is what

is the estate sitting on, what has it sold and to whom, who stole the

letters from U Mass at Lowell and why is John Sampas trying to keep people

from accessing Kerouac's letters etc.  There are more questions, but the

answers to these would be a good start.

 

Hemenway . Mark wrote:

 

> No one should be under the impression that there is no original Kerouac

> material available for study by scholars. Attila Gyenis, editor of

> Dharma beat has spent tow or three years writing to universities around

> the country about their beat holdings. The results can be found in the

> current and past issues of Dharma beat. I know he didn't make them up

> because I received the letters while we were working together. Between

> Dharma beat and the Kerouac Quarterly, many of the Kerouac things in the

> NY Public Library and I think the infamous Lowell Collection have been

> have been listed.

> <snip>

> Mark Hemenway

 

 

 

--

 

Peace,

 

Bentz

bocelts@scsn.net

http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw

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Date:         Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:25:58 UT

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: poem by anne walden

 

i've never read Anne Walden.  thank Patricia - this is really wonderful.  what

book does this come from?

 

ciao, sherri

 

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From:   BEAT-L: Beat Generation List on behalf of Patricia Elliott

Sent:   Tuesday, October 28, 1997 5:55 PM

To:     BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Subject:        poem by anne walden

 

ever since that mispent bullet of passion was sent to us on the list,

this poem kept coming to my mind.  going through the box , i found it,

 

Romance

  poem by Anne Walden

 

She

  Born & lost in a throw of time

  I'm always thinking of shunning time

  because I change my mind or dress so often

  Cerulian: for your eyes

  Amber beads at dawn, a lilting surface

  whose light makes eyes fiery as if silenced

  ideas would suddenly be released out of head

  Color would jump at an offer, wouldn't you?

  Disjointed dreams owned by a Capitalist:

  my glistening black shoulders entering armchairs.

  A petrified thought so I'll stop talking

  and you speak.

 

Lover

  Your yokel ambition to be many of face

  & all seduction will halt my laziness

  if wanton eyes change please look this way

  Come 'round the bend and any woman

  you'd care to be is fine with me,

  we're unfeasible in a crowd, however

  and as dusk approaches let's zigzag out of here

  Compensations exist in the landscape

  and shouldn't be wxploited a great deal

  like patches of snow don't really

  sabotage romance do they?  Who are you?

  Can you breathe, attired flamboyantly?

 

She

  Ideals are noble but you are

  dressed to give a more modern touch

  to the room, although you rankle me

  the way you are young & require purification

  You sound me out because afternoon

  gives me desire.  I could be somber

  if a light rain would fall, I could be

  utilized if you"ll mountain climb

  anywhere in this Capitaist joint

  & and forgive the scheme of asking dumb questions.

  I'm not so deficient.  Kiss me

 

Lover

  Protein? Vengeance? Jealousy?

  We ought to get out together more often

  It's hard to explain how austerity

  gets in your bones, I am the child of

  one of you & it's easy to be taken in:

  Into all probability, into the years on end,

  into a liberation struggle, into a persistent

  pattern and my heart (which should be studying)

  breaks for you, for love of you

  In this way you are making me love

  a sumptuous ill-afforded item

  or lead me through premature twilight.

 

She

  In this way I"ll be appealing:

  Form is joy! In this way all of me

  will enter the lounge as if no one ever

  starved or sufffered, as if no one reads anymore

  as if that in itself could scare me, as

  if we are all economic exploiters coated in oil

  As if I could enter one room for the rest of life.

  aloof, tight-lipped I can hardly breathe

  being more abondoned than usual

  more than what you say, more than what

  you ever say, it's automatic

 

Wind in foothills

  Automatically dramatic, dominating

  and side by side with lavish texture & style

  You could always do this & are liberated-

  No going back! the wind says You

  are amusing & therefore the wind moves for you,

  spins for you and won't settle easily tomight

  Wind can be rueful too, and stubborn

  not behaving like any government.

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:25:11 -0600

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Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: poem by anne walden

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Sherri wrote:

>

> i've never read Anne Walden.  thank Patricia - this is really wonderful.  what

> book does this come from?

>

> ciao, sherri

>

I don't know,  i have it as a large color poster, 11 by 17,

 



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