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>

> Thanks everyone who helped me try and figure out who this mystery Arthur

> interviewer is. I have to go back to the original tape again, and maybe I

> will hear one of these names -- Arthurs Godfrey and Barlow, and Arnold

> Beerbaum -- in the previously incomprehensible bit. (What was that, "You

> can't learn anything you don't already know?")

>

 

 

Arthur Godfrey seems extremely unlikely to me, as absolutely square as

they come is my recollection from snatches of a fifties childhood.  I do

remember Arthur resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD voice after

his son had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.

 

J. Stauffer.

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Date:         Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:51:31 -0700

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Rinaldo,

 

Thanks for the nice Bukowski poems you posted in response to Sarah's

discussion of Bukowski's place in our discussions.  Far be it from me to

embroil myself in the "Is (fill in the blank) Beat" perpetual thread

that I have been fairly snide about in the past.  Bukowski would have

hated being called a Beat yet it seems to me that history will put him

there as it will Jack Spicer.  His place, time, and themes are beat.

Certainly Ginsberg and Kerouac are romanticisers.  Bukowski certainly

tries very hard not to be, but then so does WSB.  In some ways, Hunke

sort of ways, (and he coined the word) Buk is as beat as it gets.

 

Well, I've gone and done it anyway--but we need to find a way to have

some sort of discussion on this list without somebody having to die.

 

J. Stauffer

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Date:         Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:16:23 -0500

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James Stauffer wrote:

 

> I do

> remember Arthur [Godfrey] resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD

voice after

> his son had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.

 

Aren't you confusing Godfrey with Art Linkletter?  He's the one I recall

stumping against LSD (and it was his daughter who died).

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Okay.

I thought that, like in the film Naked Lunch, WSB turned to

Joan and said "I guess it's time for our William Tell

routine."  But in Joyce Johnson's Minor Characters, it's

Joan that turns to Bill.

Which is right?

Also, JJ says that Bill actually married Joyce, although

I've seen elsewhere that she was his "common-law" wife.

Which is right?

And JJ claims that Burroughs was "heir to the Burroughs

family millions" or something like that, from the adding

machine stuff, but I thought that he actually only had a

fairly low allowance.

Which is right?

 

Tom. H.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759

"To know, and be not knowing."

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Date:         Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:34:13 -0400

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From:         Arthur Nusbaum <SSASN@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Nit-picking again

 

Tom:

 

In response to your "which is right?" inquiries:

 

There are conflicting accounts of who said what to whom during the notorious

"William Tell" episode where WSB accidentally killed Joan.  I recall from Ted

Morgan's LITERARY OUTLAW, the most complete and throroughly researched

biography to date, that it was WSB who made the statement.  His recounting of

the incident is based on a composite of interviews and sources.  This is from

memory, and I'll check it when I have a chance to confirm.

 

To the best of my knowledge from all I have read, WSB never officially

married Joan in any civil or religious ceremony, they became common law

husband & wife by sharing  households and having the ill-fated WSB Jr.

together.  WSB did officially marry a woman in Europe during the late 1930's,

strictly as a favor to help her immigrate and escape the nazis.

 

WSB was not an heir to "the Burroughs family millions", his parents sold

their shares in the Burroughs Corporation which his namesake grandfather, the

inventor of the modern adding machine, had started.  They were not poor but

far from millionaires, and they provided WSB with an allowance of $200 per

month which helped support his adventures all the way up to Paris and the

publication of NAKED LUNCH, after which his own income became enough to

modestly support him in his ever ready to move on, "travel very lightly"

lifestyle.  The myth of his being an heir to the corporate fortune is one of

the most stubborn, perpetuated by many including Kerouac.  WSB himself set

the record straight with me during my visit with him in February 1995,

telling me "Kerouac can't always be trusted" and remeniscing about going on

buying trips with his father for his parents' gift shop, Cobblestone Gardens,

which was their (and his) main source of income for many years.

 

I have enjoyed all of your posts from Britain, where WSB resided during the

1960's and early 1970's, and have meant to introduce myself.  I hope I've

helped clear these matters up for you.

 

Regards,

 

Arthur S. Nusbaum

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From:         Sorted <junky@BURROUGHS.NET>

Subject:      Burroughs.net Suggestions?

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Greetings ppl-

 

for those of you who don't know, i've been running the burroughs.net site,

in its various incarnations, for near 3 years now. At current writing, the

site is down, and i'm busy restructuring and redesigning it. I thought i'd

take this opportunity to get some feedback/suggestions from you all here on

the list. What would you like to see on this site? what would be useful or

informative to you? I've got some good ideas that i'll reveal closer to

launch of the new site, but i'm also curious...

Also, if anyone should want to write criticism/articles on William's work

and feature them on the site, contact me, i'd love it. I get no money for

doing this site and never have, so i can't offer any for your work as i

just don't have it...

 

 

thanks,

-zach

(junky@burroughs.net)

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Date:         Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:55:37 -0400

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<snip>

And JJ claims that Burroughs was "heir to the Burroughs

family millions" or something like that, from the adding

machine stuff, but I thought that he actually only had a

fairly low allowance.

Which is right?

     <no more snip>

 

     Most bio-info I've read says he got a meager stipend from the family's

     greenhouse business and nothing more....can anyone corroborate this?

 

     love and lilies,

 

     matt

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Jym Mooney wrote:

>

> James Stauffer wrote:

>

> > I do

> > remember Arthur [Godfrey] resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD

> voice after

> > his son had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.

>

> Aren't you confusing Godfrey with Art Linkletter?  He's the one I recall

> stumping against LSD (and it was his daughter who died).

 

Jym

 

You are right about Linklatter and the acid thing.  Godfrey still seems

to me an extremely unlikley interviewer of beats.

 

J. Stauffer

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From:         "p. durgin" <pdurgin@BLUE.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>

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        I can corroborate.  The documentary film from '83 has the man

himself saying that he "never saw a dime" from the adding machine.

 

 

                I[I]I   pdurgin@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu    I[I]I

 

On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, MATT HANNAN wrote:

 

> <snip>

> And JJ claims that Burroughs was "heir to the Burroughs

> family millions" or something like that, from the adding

> machine stuff, but I thought that he actually only had a

> fairly low allowance.

> Which is right?

>      <no more snip>

>

>      Most bio-info I've read says he got a meager stipend from the family's

>      greenhouse business and nothing more....can anyone corroborate this?

>

>      love and lilies,

>

>      matt

>

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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, James Stauffer wrote:

 

> I do remember Arthur resufacing during the sixties as a anti-LSD voice

> after his son had supposedly committed suicide during a bad acid trip.

 

Kind of like Art Linkletter's daughter jumping out a window? AL then became

an anti-LSD evangelist ("LSD will make you think you can fly!") but later

admitted that her suicide didn't have anything to do with LSD & he was

looking for something to blame it on...

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Burroughs.net Suggestions?

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Zach--

 

> for those of you who don't know, i've been running the burroughs.net site,

> in its various incarnations, for near 3 years now. At current writing, the

> site is down, and i'm busy restructuring and redesigning it. I thought i'd

> take this opportunity to get some feedback/suggestions from you all here on

> the list. What would you like to see on this site? what would be useful or

> informative to you? I've got some good ideas that i'll reveal closer to

> launch of the new site, but i'm also curious...

 

I enjoyed your site, especially the cutup machine. The analysis of _Naked

Lunch_ was also valuable -- more of this kind of thing would be welcome. So

the texts and their subsequent analysis, as well as technical

implementations of various WSB literary devices. That would greatly interest

me. Are you running your server on a Unix box? I think a simple cgi front

end to the "an" program, coupled with a large user dictionary, would be a

very cool addition to you cutup machine.

 

You might also want to consider hooking up with Izzy (attached post below).

This is a hardcore group of Johnsons, mainly in Europe, who are interested

in serious study of WSB's literary techniques, theories and works, and

implementing these ideas in new ways -- as you can see from this post the

idea of an "Interzone Academy" has even been considered. When I first read

this I immediately thought of your site, which had so much fine work on it

and was very well designed. burroughs.net as some kind of central cyberian

resource zone for all of these studies is what comes to mind.

 

just my thoughts,

 

m

 

email stutz@dsl.org  Copyright (c) 1997 Michael Stutz; this information is

<http://dsl.org/m/>  free and may be reproduced under GNU GPL, and as long

                     as this sentence remains; it comes with absolutely NO

                     WARRANTY; for details see <http://dsl.org/copyleft/>.

 

 

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From: baudron@interpc.fr (BAUDRON Isabelle)

To: "'Isabelle Baudron'" <baudron@interpc;fr;;;;;;;>

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                                                      September 28 th 1997

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

One month and a half after the beginning of

this adventure,

around 120 people asked for being kept in touch or

participating.  I also send this report to 20 people,

who did not keep in touch after getting the machine, in

case they would be interested

in the following, as a test : but in case anybody does not

want to be involved anymore, please tell me, and I shall

take you our of the address book.

 

>From all the propositions and subjects of interests, we

have several groups :

 

 

1. WEB SITE:

 

Most of people think we need a web site to publish our

texts, the news concerning the activities of the group,

etc. So do I. Some people have already begun to work at it.

You can see the first results at :

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gary.leeming/index.htm

 

linked with

http://www.netcom.com/~foe4foe  (click to drop) and listen

to their house freaks:

circa 1944(click to squeak)

 

   Gary is taking the site in charge. You can contact

him at <gary.leeming@ukonline.co.uk>

 

 

We can also use the site to make a magazine, every 3 month

for instance. Some people are volunteers for working in it.

 

 For those who are not used to make web pages, as I was 3

days ago, it is quite simple to make with the computer

itself which contains the elements to make it : it took me

an afternoon using the help included in the computer to

learn to make it.

 

 

2. MUSICIANS AND PERFORMERS:

 

Tom Matthews proposed to take in charge this group, to

gather archives, recordings,

audio and video-tapes, etc., and to find ways to sell,

exchange, etc., them. You can join him at:

 

< tmathews@MicroAge-tb.com>

 

Tom proposes to print tee shirts and sell them.

 

 

3. DREAMACHINE:

 

Tom is also working on a computer-based version of the

dreamachine (using glasses and a cable attached to a

computer's printer port and has also home built sound

manipulation  hardwares.

 

Some other people have been doing other experiments and

devices to bring alpha state.  We might gather all these

informations, plus the ones we already  got, on a web site.

 

 

 4.  POETS, WRITERS :

 

Some people have begun to send texts to include in the book

"Le temps des Naguals"  I have already written, and which

contains interviews and texts of and about Burroughs and

Gysin. I have recorded all the writings sent in a second

part.

 

For those who would like to see their texts published in

the site, I can make a web page, but you can also make it,

which would be more personal, so every text could be as

well an art work made by its author. What do you think?

 

 

5. CONTACTS:

 

Some people would like to be in touch and have exchanges

with other members.

 

For establishing contacts, we have different possibilities:

 

a)  I can make an address book with the names, E-mails

addresses, and main subjects of interest of people who want

to have contacts: for instance :

 

Isabelle Baudron - baudron@interpc.fr - Dreams third mind,

web-site, and exchanges.

 

So everyone wanting to be in the address book can sends me

this, and I include it in a special address book that I

shall send by E-mail to each sender, so it will remain

limited to its members, to preserve privacy.

 

 

        b) We can have a chat-room on ICQ for direct contacts. As

there are members in US, most of countries of Europe and

Australia, it should be possible to get in touch with

someone at any time of day and night. I got a page there

UIN #3146693, where you can also join me. But I have no

experience of chat room, so if you want to contact me

through it, do not

be astonished if it takes some times.

 

        c) We can make a Newsletter, and spread it by E-mail.

 

        d) We can use the web site for exchanges and contacts.

 

        e) Some people have been making groups of E-mail

exchanges. Some who wrote in the Memorial have also

established their own contacts and groups. In case you

think the result of your exchanges might be valuable for

others and would like to see them published, we can also

include them in the book, with or without your coordinates,

and after you have checked their content.

 

 

6. SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL RESEARCH:

 

Some people are interested in research in precise domains:

apomorphine, new treatments for quieting anxious people,

for cancer, addiction, etc.

 

I am a psychiatric nurse, having stopped working after 15

years in a public hospital. I am interested in making

medical research in the domains of expansion of conscience,

treatments of addiction (I have the protocol of apomorphine

cure written by Ian Somerville if you want), cancers, any

treatment allowing to strengthen the defenses of organism,

and a new approach of death.

 

I propose we use the opportunity of our group to gather

informations in those domains, or others you might have in

mind, and make a group of research with doctors, nurses and

therapists of the group, plus all the people interested. I

do not intend to work in a hospital anymore, but if my

experience can be of any use in the context of this group,

it is at your disposal.

 

 

7. BURROUGHSIAN CONCEPTS AND DOMAINS OF RESEARCH:

 

Some would like to work on specific themes as third-mind,

evil spirit, control, magic, sex, dreams, synchronicities,

etc.

Some have begun exchanges on those domains.

 

Several people have been sending dreams, some write them

down and would be interested in a group of research about

it.  I have been noting them since 1981 and am also

interesting in a common work and exchanges.

 

Several people have been making dreams about Burroughs. It

might be interesting to gather them and see what comes out

of it, and what they can teach us on Burroughs influence on

this part of our life. This might be included in the book

or in the magazine as well.

 

 

Here it does not seem very realistic to make groups by

subjects, because they are all bound, and we generally jump

from one to the other.

 

But it seems very valuable to share our respective

experiments about them, as it

allows to go further, and to realise that

experience of the others often confirms and

completes ours, which is quite reassuring

in these areas.

 

 

8. THE ACADEMY:

 

The idea of making an Academy in a castle, big house, etc.,

is part of the dreams of quite a lot of people. But it

implies practical problems due to a static place which may

not be adapted to our Cyber experiment, and require

spending money to go to the place, etc.

 

To me the main interest for such a place would  be, besides

the Academy which can also be settled on the web, to have a

place where we could meet, and which could be a temporary

shelter for the members of the group who need it, sort of

an Interzone we can come to for making a break out of the

daily context.

We could also use it to make applied research, "in vivo",

which is

not possible in Cyber-space.

 

Anyway for the moment this is not the most urgent thing. We

can begin to use the tools we already got at our disposal.

 

In case an opportunity comes, then I propose we study it

together. But spending time and energy in looking for it

now does not seem adapted for the moment

 

 

9. THE NAME OF OUR GROUP :

Here are the first propositions:

- Tarzan Society

- Ah Pook Academy

- Junkshakes

- The People's Republic of Interzone

- Grey Johnson or Endless Johnson Family or Dead Johnsons

Incorporated

- Invisible Corp

- Beat Hotel

- Room 23

- Third Mind Corporation

- Interzone

- Nova Express

- El Hombre Invisible

 

 

10.  LANGUAGES:

 

For the moment we cover the following languages: English,

French, Spanish, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Slovak,

Sweedish, Portuguese, Italian, Greek, Chinese, Japanese.

 

We might use all this knowledge for translations of our

writings, or Burroughs' and Gysin's books, which have not

been translated in some languages. We can make translation

groups, which allows getting to a quick and good result.

 

Some people from different countries who have a personal

web site  could make pages about the group in their

language, link them together, and to our site.

 

 

 

 So this is a set of opportunities we got altogether,

enough to begin to work for the moment.

 

I hope you enjoy it.

 

Thanks again for your concern, propositions and

participation.

 

Love to all.

 

Izzy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        "Introduce one unforeseen and therefore unforeseeable

factor and the whole

structure collapses like a house of cards."

                        W.S. Burroughs

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

2 of you sent messages to spread. Here they are :

 

 

>something to think about.......

>

>--------------

>America's Most Wanted did a profile on Saturday 7/26/97 of

Andrew

Cunnanan.

> You probably know Cunnanan as the serial murderer who

killed Gianni Versace

>and a number of gay men while posing as a male prostitute

in New York City.

> AMW had the following to say:

>

>   "We were concerned because he crossed the line from

killing gay people. . .to killing innocent bystanders."

>              -- John Walsh, host of America's Most Wanted

 7/26/97

>

>Apparently America's Most Wanted feels it is forgivable to

kill homosexuals, as long as one doesn't kill any

"innocent" people as well.

 They need to hear

>our thoughts.  Please send your comments and all feedback

to America's Most Wanted at the following address:

>

>   feedback@amw.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

please forward:

 

Protest the destruction of Ruigoord - send faxes, e-mails

and letters of protest to the Amsterdam harbour company and

the City of

Amsterdam.

 

  RUIGOORD

   is situated in west of The Netherlands near the

Northsea, just over the  border of Amsterdam.

   As the city of Amsterdam was expanding with the the

economic boom of the

   sixties, it began to buy huge stretches of land in

neighbouring

   communities to turn them in industrial areas and suburbs

-including the  tiny former island of Ruigoord, some 8

miles West of the

city.

   On this island, in the middle of a fertile, one century

old polder (once  part of a vast inland sea), there was a

village of some

600 people, with  a church, a school and several shops.

 

   In the early seventies many inhabitants were moved to

modern suburbs and  their houses knocked down. At the same

time the meadows

and fields  around were raised three to six meters by

spouting sea,

sand on them. A  war could hardly have been more

destructive to the

landscape. However,  the expected economic expansion came

to a halt and the

huge stretches of  land around Ruigoord were slowly turning

into a

wilderness.

 

   When some artists discoverd the village, only a few

houses and  the church were left.

   Some villagers had refused to leave and were happy to

get reinforcement.

   After a short physical and a much longer political

struggle, the remains of the village were left in peace,

for the time being.

Empty houses were  taken by adventurous artists, who moved

in from the

surrounding cities.

   The church became a festival hall and the native

families slowly  adjusted themselves to the new bohemian

population. All

this happened  some 25 years ago.

 

   This village has been under fire since then. In the

beginning of  the 70ties Amsterdam thought it needed a new

harbour,

the  Afrikahaven, and evicted the small village; a group of

artists and  hippies squatted the village and is living

there since.

Several  times procedures were started to start digging for

the

harbour but  at the moment it really gets started. In spite

of

critics from the  population, asking for a referendum (they

did not get

it), the  Amsterdam government goes on with this claiming

it will

give lots of jobs and help the Amsterdam economy. This is

disputable.

Ruigoord  and surrounding became a lively community for

people and

nature,

   quite some rare animals and plants are living around the

hills and  meadows of the village. The Afrikahaven will

pose a

severe threat to the environment.

 

   there are strong indications that the objective is to

dump contaminated heavily soil under the new harbour sites.

 

   You can actually visit the action camp. A new group,

calling themselves

       GroenFront (a dutch division of radical EarthFirst!)

promise

       spectacular peaceful actions.

 

   Email address of GroenFront Ruigoord:

       ruigoord@hotmail.com

 

   Please note: The action camp is not organised by the

existing Ruigoord

       Community.

 

   The Ruigoord community has a nice website (in dutch)

describing the  history, nature and political situation.

Visit:

www.ruigoord.com

       (includes photos). Email address:

ruigoord@euronet.nl

 

   Other website with information about Ruigoord:

   http://www.globalsurprise.nl/bgruigoord.html

 

   A mailinglist has been set up about Ruigoord, you can

subscribe at

   http://www.oudenaarden.nl/lists/ruigoord.html

                  GroenFront! occupies nature area

   Yesterday, GroenFront! sat up camp in the nature area

near Ruigoord  village. Demonstrators wish to impede

construction of

the

   Africahaven. Municipal excavation works are in progress

at the site

   for the new harbour.

 

   (Source: Nieuws van de Dag, 5 August 1997)

 

Please direct protest letters, faxes and e-mails to:

 

   Port Management of Amsterdam

   De Ruyterkade 7

   Postbus 19406

   1000 GK AMSTERDAM

   The Netherlands

   Tel. +31 20 5238600

   Fax. +31 20 6209821

   info@portofamsterdam.com

 

and/or to:

 

   City of Amsterdam

   City Hall

   Amstel 1

   1011 PN Amsterdam

   Telephone +31 20 552 9111

   Text-Telephone +31 20 620 9279

   Facsimile +31 20 552 3426

   P.O. Box 202

   1000 AE Amsterdam

   E-mail: vlc@veb.amsterdam.nl

   or use the form at http://www.amsterdam.nl/email.html

 

Reversal Action - Sunday 24th August:

   Come with many people, bring shovels and drums!

 

Take bus 82 (direction IJmuiden) from Amsterdam Sloterdijk

to busstop Ruigoord. Meet at the church at 14.00.

 

 

 

 

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Date:         Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:07:05 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Kerouac und Heidegger.

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dear friends,

 

in his latest writing "after me the deluge" was 1969 (?)

Jack Kerouac affirmed that Heidegger's thought is a gem.

 

"Why does exist the things instead of nothing?" and

Jack

Keroauc

        thought about the existence an admiring look at

                Martin Heidegger.

 

        which God does the atheist beg?

 

        God names are always hopeless

 

        what's the matter?

 

        a stork!        a stork!

 

        a knot of people

        nose around     the sky!

 

        a stork flew in the autumn sky

 

---

Rinaldo.

1th oct 97

 

 

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:50:44 -0400

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From:         Alex Howard <kh14586@ACS.APPSTATE.EDU>

Subject:      hello

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Haven't received any mail since yesterday and was wondering if its just

me.

 

------------------

Alex Howard  (704)264-8259                    Appalachian State University

kh14586@am.appstate.edu                       P.O. Box 12149

http://www1.appstate.edu/~kh14586             Boone, NC  28608

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:03:15 UT

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: hello

 

Alex, haven't gotten any Beat-l stuff since yesterday either.  guess

everyone's busy....

 

ciao,

sherri

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:56:29 +0900

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From:         moriyama kazufumi =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPzk7MxsoQg==?=

              <moriyama@KT.RIM.OR.JP>

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singoff BEAT-L

 

 

 $B?9;3 (B

moriyama kazufumi (Tokyo, Japan) $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (B

E-mail: moriyama@kt.rim.or.jp

http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~moriyama/

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:28:15 -0400

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      DHARMA beat!!!

 

I just got my Fall 1997 issue of DHARMA beat in the mail and want to tell all

of you who are NOT so fortunate that you're missing something great (and I'm

not just saying that because Attila published something by me in there... hee

hee hee).

 

This issue is a broad overview of On The Road from a variety of perspectives.

It's both thoughtful and comprehensive, and also very cool.

 

If you don't subscribe (and why the hell don't you? what's wrong with you?

don't you support The Arts?), you can do so by emailing your request to

Attilla Gyenis at Kerouaczin@AOL.com. As a former magazine and newspaper

publisher who blazed the trail for two desirable markets in my old community,

only to fold and go into debt for lack of commercial support, I speak from

the heart when I say DON'T WAIT to subscribe to DHARMA beat.

 

And no, I don't get a piece of the action. In fact, I am a former slacker who

must have been told about DHARMA beat by at least half-a-dozen people before

I finally subscribed. I subsequently bought all the back issues, too, so I

could have an entire collection.

 

By the way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd

created a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough room

in the mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write

me here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of good

ones, and some are really obscure and strange.

 

But forget about that for right now. Get your copy of DHARMA beat while you

still can. Support your local starving Hungarian artist!

 

diane de rooy

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:59:04 EDT

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From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:28:15 -0400 from <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

 

I'm sure you can also pick up Dharma Beat at the book fair in Lowell on Saturda

y.  Hope to see some of you wearing your beat-l shirts.

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:58:24 -0400

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From:         MATT HANNAN <MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG>

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moriyama@kt.rim.or.jp wrote:

 

>singoff BEAT-L

 

     Ok, here goes:

 

 

     Hello BEAT-L my old friend

     I've come to talk with you again

     about Jack's vision softly creeping

     that came to him while he was typing

     and the vision...that was planted in my brain

     still remains

     within his books...of visions

 

     'neath the halo of my monitor-light

     I turn my collar to the spam and hack

     and my eyes are stamped

     by the flash of a RACEy poem

     that fits Beat meter

     and harkens the sound...of YouGotMail

 

     and in the Naked light (Lunch) I saw

     277 people, maybe more

     they were typing without speaking

     they were reading without listening

     they were replying to messages

     that voices never hear.........

 

     Oh......signoff.....I thought you said "Sing Of"......sorry.

 

     love and lilies (and apologies to Paul and Art),

 

     matt

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:57:55 -0400

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From:         Jonathan Pickle <jrpick@MAILA.WM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

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I've never heard of DHARMA beat - what is it all about?  Buddhism and the

Beat Generation?  How much does  it cost?

 

Jon

 

At 03:28 PM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I just got my Fall 1997 issue of DHARMA beat in the mail and want to tell all

>of you who are NOT so fortunate that you're missing something great (and I'm

>not just saying that because Attila published something by me in there... hee

>hee hee).

>

>This issue is a broad overview of On The Road from a variety of perspectives.

>It's both thoughtful and comprehensive, and also very cool.

>

>If you don't subscribe (and why the hell don't you? what's wrong with you?

>don't you support The Arts?), you can do so by emailing your request to

>Attilla Gyenis at Kerouaczin@AOL.com. As a former magazine and newspaper

>publisher who blazed the trail for two desirable markets in my old community,

>only to fold and go into debt for lack of commercial support, I speak from

>the heart when I say DON'T WAIT to subscribe to DHARMA beat.

>

>And no, I don't get a piece of the action. In fact, I am a former slacker who

>must have been told about DHARMA beat by at least half-a-dozen people before

>I finally subscribed. I subsequently bought all the back issues, too, so I

>could have an entire collection.

>

>By the way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd

>created a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough room

>in the mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write

>me here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of good

>ones, and some are really obscure and strange.

>

>But forget about that for right now. Get your copy of DHARMA beat while you

>still can. Support your local starving Hungarian artist!

>

>diane de rooy

>

>

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:32 -0700

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From:         Leon Tabory <letabor@CRUZIO.COM>

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

 

 Hello Diane -

----

snip, snip

 

>If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write

>me here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list.

 

Please.

 

>There are a bunch of good

>ones, and some are really obscure and strange.

>

>But forget about that for right now.

 

O.K. if that's what you ask me to do, but not for long,  o.k? Thanks for

reminding me about the other point also.

 

leon

 

 Get your copy of DHARMA beat while you

>still can. Support your local starving Hungarian artist!

>

>diane de rooy

>.-

>

>

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:25:19 EDT

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From:         Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM>

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

 

by all means Diane-  send that url list!

I think i've seen most of the bigger sites- but who knows what treasure

lies in them thar hills of the internet!

also- (forgive me if this has recently been a topic- I've been away from

the list for several months) i'm trying to find some of the music that

accompanied Kerouac on his spoken word recordings. I'd appreciate anyones

input on the matter, and suggestions for which one's I HAVE to get.

Thanks!

Bob

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:56:31 -0400

Reply-To:     "Diane M. Homza" <ek242@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "Diane M. Homza" <ek242@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: <no subject>

 

Reply to message from MATT.HANNAN@USOC.ORG of Thu, 02 Oct

>

 

 

I was waving my lighter in the air while reading....

:)

 

Diane. (H)

 

>moriyama@kt.rim.or.jp wrote:

>

>>singoff BEAT-L

>

>     Ok, here goes:

>

>

>     Hello BEAT-L my old friend

>     I've come to talk with you again

>     about Jack's vision softly creeping

>     that came to him while he was typing

>     and the vision...that was planted in my brain

>     still remains

>     within his books...of visions

>

>     'neath the halo of my monitor-light

>     I turn my collar to the spam and hack

>     and my eyes are stamped

>     by the flash of a RACEy poem

>     that fits Beat meter

>     and harkens the sound...of YouGotMail

>

>     and in the Naked light (Lunch) I saw

>     277 people, maybe more

>     they were typing without speaking

>     they were reading without listening

>     they were replying to messages

>     that voices never hear.........

>

>     Oh......signoff.....I thought you said "Sing Of"......sorry.

>

>     love and lilies (and apologies to Paul and Art),

>

>     matt

>

>

 

--

I should have loved a thunderbird instead.                    --Sylvia Plath

 

Diane M. Homza                                   ek242@cleveland.freenet.edu

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:56:11 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Campo Ai Frari, Venezia.

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        GOD BLESS

        THE CHEER

        FUL GIVER

        I HAVE NO

        OTHER INC

        OME I WIS

        H YOU   GOO

        D LUCK TH

        ANK YOU

 

        I need money

        to be

        an artist

 

        (not

                in

                        conjunction

                                with

                                la biennale arte)

 

        thursday morning fog

                        the fox

                                knows many things

        she (the fox) told

 

                WATER FOR DOGS!

 

        i

                PHONED HIM

                last night

 

        but he (the dog) was

                DRUNK

        CLUMSY  DOG!

 

        i need money

                i need money

        to be but he was drunk.

 

 

---

Rinaldo

2th oct 97

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:03:53 -0400

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From:         Euhyun Jennifer Chun <ejc@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

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On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Diane De Rooy wrote:

 

> By the way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd

> created a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough room

> in the mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites, write

> me here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of good

> ones, and some are really obscure and strange.

>

diane. i'd love to see your complete list. if it wouldn't be too much of a

bother, would you post them to the list?? please... :)

 

e. jennifer

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:49:45 -0400

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From:         Jonathan Pickle <jrpick@MAILA.WM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

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At 04:25 PM 10/2/97 EDT, you wrote:

>by all means Diane-  send that url list!

>I think i've seen most of the bigger sites- but who knows what treasure

>lies in them thar hills of the internet!

>also- (forgive me if this has recently been a topic- I've been away from

>the list for several months) i'm trying to find some of the music that

>accompanied Kerouac on his spoken word recordings. I'd appreciate anyones

>input on the matter, and suggestions for which one's I HAVE to get.

>Thanks!

>Bob

>

Jk made three albums in the late 50s that I have - they come in a box set

put out by Rhino/World Beat.  The first one has JK accompanied by Steve

Allen.  the second has Al Cohn and Zoot Sims.  The third has no

accompaniement.  These are the only albums I knew of.  If anyone else knows

of any more - please post them to the list.

 

Jon

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:34:20 -0700

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From:         "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

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At 04:49 PM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:

>At 04:25 PM 10/2/97 EDT, you wrote:

>>by all means Diane-  send that url list!

>>I think i've seen most of the bigger sites- but who knows what treasure

>>lies in them thar hills of the internet!

>>also- (forgive me if this has recently been a topic- I've been away from

>>the list for several months) i'm trying to find some of the music that

>>accompanied Kerouac on his spoken word recordings. I'd appreciate anyones

>>input on the matter, and suggestions for which one's I HAVE to get.

>>Thanks!

>>Bob

>>

>Jk made three albums in the late 50s that I have - they come in a box set

>put out by Rhino/World Beat.  The first one has JK accompanied by Steve

>Allen.  the second has Al Cohn and Zoot Sims.  The third has no

>accompaniement.  These are the only albums I knew of.  If anyone else knows

>of any more - please post them to the list.

>

>Jon

>

 

John's info was good.  I'd add that if you are looking for the music that

accompanies the words you won't find it except with the words.

 

The Blues and Haikus was a session.  The music was original.  In Blues and

Haikus Kerouac would say a haiku and the musicians would amswer with a riff.

I don't think you're going to find the music anywhere else but on these

records.  Same with Steve Allen.  I think it was somewhat spontaneous.

 

I have seen that www.amazon.com the Amazon internet bookstore sells the 3 CD

(or 4 cassette) collection.  I think it's about 40 bucks.

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:24:50 -0500

Reply-To:     EASTWIND@erols.com

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From:         PATRICK <EASTWIND@EROLS.COM>

Organization: EASTWIND PUBLISHING

Subject:      Re: DHARMA beat!!!

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Euhyun Jennifer Chun wrote:

>

> On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Diane De Rooy wrote:

>

> > By the way, the piece I wrote for this issue is about Beat websites. I'd

> > created a lengthy list of these for inclusion, but there was not enough room

> > in the mag. If anyone wants a copy of my listing of URLs of Beat sites,

 write

> > me here, or maybe I'll just post them to the list. There are a bunch of good

> > ones, and some are really obscure and strange.

> >

> diane. i'd love to see your complete list. if it wouldn't be too much of a

> bother, would you post them to the list?? please... :)

>

> e. jennifer

Yes send me the list...

eastwind@erols.com

thanking u now.

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Date:         Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:47:32 -0400

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From:         Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>

Subject:      World Wide Web of Beats, etc.

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To Beat-L websurfers:

 

Here's the list of URLs I assembled for the DHARMA beat story. It's far f=

rom

complete, and I didn't intend to "rate" them. If you know of others I mis=

sed,

please feel free to send them to me for my edification.

 

Happy browsing...

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

There are a few glaring omissions on this list: Ryko Records for Kicks/et=

c,

Mind in Motion ROMnibus, Levi's tribute site to AG from the beatlist and

elsewhere, the Blacklisted Journalist and others I can't remember right n=

ow.

My links are misplaced or something... just ran out of gas making them.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

COMPASS POINTS ON THE cyberROAD

"Route 66 can be read in two directions. First stop on this page : Jack

Kerouac and the 'Beat Generation', a coast to coast trip down the legenda=

ry

highway, in the footsteps of the beatniks. A page of history. Second stop=

 :

Jack Kerouac and the 'Byte Generation', where we take a virtual stroll,

seeking memories of Route 66 in the Web universe. Or when the mouse repla=

ces

the car... " --From the intro to  "Jack Kerouac and the "Beat Generation"

home page

EVENTS

LCKerouac Festival Page =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/lckerouac/festival.htm">http://members.=

aol.com

/lckerouac/festival.htm</A>

SITES WITH LINKS

Literary Kicks =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.charm.net/%7Ebrooklyn/LitKicks.html">http://www.cha=

rm.net/

%7Ebrooklyn/LitKicks.html</A>

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

The Unofficial WSB website =3D

<A HREF=3D"http://www.peg.apc.org/~firehorse/wsb/wsb.html">http://www.peg=

.apc.or

g/~firehorse/wsb/wsb.html</A>

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

The Wild Bohemian Home Page =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.halcyon.com/colinp/bohemian.htm">http://www.halcyon=

.com/co

linp/bohemian.htm</A>

"Included here are links to pages about Hippies, the Beat Generation, the

Grateful Dead and other Bohemian bands, outlaw bikers (including the Hell=

s

Angels), all the way back to... Diogenes and the Cynics. --Colin Pringle

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jon/what.html</A>

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pace

On the Road, after Jack Kerouac?"

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burroughs =3D=20

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Jack Kerouac and the "Beat Generation" =3D

<A HREF=3D"http://www.virgin.fr/virgin/html/us/nostalgia/route66/beat_gen=

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tml</A>

Weird, fascinating, filled with inaccuracies, but worth visiting nonethel=

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if only to experience a French point of view on Jean Louis Kirouac.

PUBLISHERS

BookZen =3D=20

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WRITING/EDUCATION

Kerouac, Spontaneous Prose =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/kerouac-spontaneous.=

html">h

ttp://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/kerouac-spontaneous.html</A>

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English 320W-02: The Beat Generation =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/kerouac-spontaneous.=

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ttp://www.mnsfld.edu/~julrich/beatweb.html</A>

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Ball's Beat Generation =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.vmi.edu/%7Eenglish/beats.html">http://www.vmi.edu/%=

7Eengli

sh/beats.html</A>

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nia

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 EN

365 This page contains links to multifaceted webs devoted to Kerouac,

Ginsberg, Burroughs, and other major figures of the Beat Generation."

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<A HREF=3D"http://www.mnsfld.edu/~julrich/beatweb.html">http://www.mnsfld=

.edu/~j

ulrich/beatweb.html</A>

Welcome to the Internet Resources Page for English 320W-02: The Beat

Generation

Mansfield University of Pennsylvania=20

CHAT

beat generation private chatroom =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.onestep.com/writers/short/gallaher/short.html">aol:=

//2719:

2-2-beat%20generation</A>

TRIBUTES

Charles Plymell =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.buchenroth.com/cplymell.html">http://www.buchenroth=

.com/cp

lymell.html</A>

FANTASY

1996 Dharma Beats Roster =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.clark.net/pub/cosmic/96dbr.html">http://www.clark.n=

et/pub/

cosmic/96dbr.html</A>

"Kerouac managing veterans like Ginsberg and Huncke, along with rookies l=

ike

Kurt Cobain."=20

MAGAZINES

Steve Silberman's How Beat was born =3D

<A HREF=3D"http://ezone.org/ez/e2/articles/digaman.html">http://ezone.org=

/ez/e2/

articles/digaman.html</A>

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=3D

Shambhala Sun Home Page =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.shambhalasun.com/">http://www.shambhalasun.com/</A>

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

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=3D

Allen Ginsberg =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.talk.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/96-12-16-gin=

sberg.h

tml">http://www.talk.com/talk/club/special/transcripts/96-12-16-ginsberg.=

html<

/A>

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=3D

WIRED magazine =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://wwww.wired.com/wired/">http://wwww.wired.com/wired/</A>

BOOKSTORES

1 800 KEROUAC - Beat Generation Catalog =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www.kerouac.com/">http://www.kerouac.com/</A>

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=3D

Jack Kerouac at the Iliad =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://host.interloc.com/%7Eiliadbks/kerouac.html">http://host=

.interl

oc.com/%7Eiliadbks/kerouac.html</A>

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=3D

About Allen Ginsberg =3D Open Book Systems

<A HREF=3D"http://www.obs-europa.de/obs/english/books/ginsberg/ata.htm">h=

ttp://w

ww.obs-europa.de/obs/english/books/ginsberg/ata.htm</A>

SOUNDS

Kerouac Speaks =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html">=

http://

www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html</A>

NEWSGROUPS

<A HREF=3D"Beat-L@listserv.cuny.edu">Beat-L@listserv.cuny.edu</A>

alt.books.beatgeneration =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"aol://5863:126/alt.books.beatgeneration">aol://5863:126/alt.bo=

oks.bea

tgeneration</A>

MUSIC/MULTIMEDIA

Rhino Records - Catalog - Kerouac, Jack =3D <A HREF=3D"http://rhino.com/s=

earch/art

info.cfm?name=3DKEROUAC,+JACK">http://rhino.com/search/artinfo.cfm?name=3D=

KEROUAC,

+JACK</A>

VERVE Celebrates Charlie Parker =3D <A HREF=3D"http://www.jazzonln.com/JA=

ZZ/LABELS

/VERVE2/birdhome.htm">http://www.jazzonln.com/JAZZ/LABELS/VERVE2/birdhome=

.htm<

/A>

Sean Singer's Jazz Literature Page  =3D=20

<A HREF=3D"http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/%7Essinger/">http://ezinfo.ucs.i=

ndiana.

edu/%7Essinger/</A>

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:22:49 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      the early Bukowski.

Comments: cc: morpheous@boone.net

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From: "Matthew Murray" <morpheous@boone.net>

To: "Rinaldo Rasa" <rasa@gpnet.it>

Subject: Re: the early Bukowski.

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:39:53 -0400

 

Matthew Murray writes:

The word "beat" as coined by Jack can be looked at not so much as a time or

situation dependent literary genre, but an artistic and spiritual attitude.

"Beat" aka cashed, worn out, tired, not so much the hipster thing.  If

Charles Bukowski was not "beat" then I don't know who is, but Bukowski

himself sneered at being classified with those folks.  He was indifferent

when he met Bill Burroughs, and always sighed when young hipsters would tell

him how much they dug his "shit,man" within the context of beat authoring.

The bottom line is that these folks were both damn good writers and they

both strained the hell out of their livers.

 

-*-

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:22:50 -0500

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From:         R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

Subject:      THE BLUES NEVER DIE

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I'm back in business.

 

Richard Houff

Pariah Press

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:34:28 -0400

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From:         Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      DHARMA beat

Comments: cc: MessrHat@aol.com

 

DHARMA beat is a newszine (newsletter) that is published twice a year about

Kerouac's life and writing. Issue 9 (Fall 1997) was just published. Now in

its fifth year, we publish information of interest about Kerouac events and

happenings around the world. The most recent issue has articles about Kerouac

in Orlando, an article about the recent discovery of a On The Road recording

by Jack (the only professional recording of Jack reading On the Road?) that

will be released on Geffen records in the sometime future, and a listing a

Kerouac and beat related stuff and publications.

 

DHARMA beat is published twice a year, spring and fall. Subscriptions are

$7.00 per year (two issues, make checks payable to DHARMA beat or cash), $10

to Canada and overseas (payable in US dollars). Sample copies are available

for $3.00. Mail to DHARMA beat, PO BOX 1753, Lowell MA, 01853-1753. Since I

only get the mail sporadically, it may be a little while before you get your

request mailed. For more information e mail to KEROUACZIN@AOL.COM and there

is a homepage that has a link to a Kerouac calender that I hopefully will

keep updated at <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/kerouaczin/dharmabeat.html">ht

tp://members.aol.com/kerouaczin/dharmabeat.html</A>

 

 

Recent Kerouac events:

 

Ongoing:

 

Kerouac - A Musical based on the life of Jack Kerouac: Theatre East, 211 East

60th Street, New York, NY, (212) 838-8528. A musical about the life of

Kerouac offered in a cabaret setting. Tickets are $30,  includes two drinks.

 

Kerouac: The Essence of Jack, A jazz play by Vincent Balestri - Velvet Elvis

Arts Lounge Theatre, 107 Occidental, Seattle, (206) 624-8477 ($17-20). A

one-person show, backed with a saxophonist or trio, depending on the day, is

a two part play that starts off with Balestri (Kerouac) saying that he will

take you through the publication of On the Road, "Then we'll have an

intermission, and when we come back, you can ask me some questions and then I

die." (may close soon so call)

 

Other Kerouac Stuff

 

September 24 Wednesday

St. Marks Poetry Project

Celebration of Kerouac's On the Road Marathon Reading

 

September 17- 27, 1997

"Beat Generation" At Meer dan Woorden "More Than Words" Festival In Holland

 

October 2 - 5

Lowell Celebrates Kerouac

It is going on the weekend, a great time to see the town, you can see the

city, New York that is, later.

 

October 20 Monday

Jack Kerouac Reading

Penny Lane, 18th & Pearl, Boulder, CO, call (303) 444-7111 to confirm

 

October 25 Saturday 8pm.

"Visions of Kerouac: The Great Rememberer", at Willits Playhouse at

(707)459-2281 or Carlords Poetry at (707)459-6759

 

 

 

We are always looking for articles and information about Kerouac or any

Kerouac related event you may have (for example if you have a Kerouac Poetry

reading celebrating his birth or passing) or anything related. Our main

purpose is to let people know about what's going on.  If you have a story,

information, or item of interest to Kerouac readers please let us know. We

need the support of the Kerouac community to keep others aware of Kerouac

events. DHARMA beat will do its best to spread the word.

 

thanks and enjoy, Attila

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:14:53 -0700

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From:         Murat Balkose <balkose@EGENET.COM.TR>

Subject:      Hello !

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Hello,

 

 As i just started to subscribe BEAT-L, and i wonder the

multinationality of this list.

 I subscribed it before but i did't read any letters from Turkey.Anyone

speaking Turkish  please contact with me.

 

i'd introduce myself. i am student and interested reading beat

literature.i am not an intellectual and don't really read too much

books.

 

 Anyone wondering the last book published in Turkish as a beat

literature  is "The Cat Inside-W.S Burroughs"August 1997.(i guess thats

the third book of Burrougs published in Turkish.)

 

 If i unterstood true, some people are talking about "if Bukowski is a

Beat"....

 BUKOWSKI is not a BEAT.BUKOWSKI IS GOD.(it is my idea)

 

 Anyway BYE,it is always nice to listen you.

 

 Murat

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:12:01 EDT

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From:         Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM>

Subject:      bukowski as beat

 

ahhh, the old question of is bukowski beat.

here's my humble opinion.

 

i think writers can have many "beat" characteristics. i bet if we put all

275 heads together on this list, we can name at least 25 writers who fit

the description of "beat".

FOR INSTANCE.... i've heard many  people around the beat lit circle refer

to walt whitman as the original beat.  but was he a BEAT WRITER? i don't

think many people would say yes. i think the beat generation is a group

of writers who accepted the label- some begrudgingly, yes, but i think

the most of them accepted it.

bukowski doesn't want to be referred to as a beat writer as i understand

it. well, maybe he's NOT. maybe he's "beat" in many ways, but not a beat

writer. especially if he denies the label.  (side note- wasn't THE beat

writer trying hard to shed that image, leading to a world of seclusion?)

i don't think we should be concerned with whether or not bukowski is

beat. let's just enjoy the work he has put out in a way we would enjoy

someone like whitman's (not comparing the 2).

again though, just a humble opinion.

bob

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:01:54 -0600

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Trying To Get To Heaven Re: Bob Dylan,

              Standing In The Doorway.

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From:         Neil Hennessy <nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Burroughs piece

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Hello fellow Beat-L'ers,

 

I'm currently the Internet Editor for B&A New Fiction, and

the latest Net Editorial I've written is on Burroughs. It's

not really an editorial but a fiction. It's also not really a

fiction, but a fragmented narrative involving 17 quotations

from 10 books, two photographs, 3 paintings, and a couple of

concrete poems that are all an integral part of the story. The

piece is also a memorial/tribute, but it is more than that,

and perhaps less.

 

In any case, the lead in page is at

http://www.interlog.com/~fiction/netedit.html

and the actual tribute is linked from there. I'll warn you

that it is about 400K with all the images.

 

It was writing this piece that has finally brought a sense of

closure. I didn't burn anything, but created something with

Burroughs as silent collaborator. We have different ways

of dealing with grief, and this is how I dealt with mine.

 

It's called "ghost-writing: a metempsychosis"

 

I invite you all to read/view it, and I'd appreciate any

comments or feedback.

 

Thanks,

Neil

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:03:50 +0000

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From:         Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Campo Ai Frari, Venezia.

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rinaldo, my brother: are you sure i'm not you? or maybe i'm' the dog

mc

 

Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

 

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>         THE CHEER

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>         I HAVE NO

>         OTHER INC

>         OME I WIS

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>         ANK YOU

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>         to be

>         an artist

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>                                 with

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>

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>                         the fox

>                                 knows many things

>         she (the fox) told

>

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>

>         i

>                 PHONED HIM

>                 last night

>

>         but he (the dog) was

>                 DRUNK

>         CLUMSY  DOG!

>

>         i need money

>                 i need money

>         to be but he was drunk.

>

> ---

> Rinaldo

> 2th oct 97

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Date:         Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:28:45 -0700

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Despite the fact that this answers to these questions are about as

likely as solving the "how many angels are there on the head of a pin"

problem, and about as important, the problem is fun.

 

 

Whitman may be a "spiritual father" for some Beat writers but in a

vastly different space and time.  I can't conceive of a serious argument

for his place in any beat canon. If he had come back in the fifties and

seen Beat I doubt if he would have recognized himself in it.  Bukowski

and certain others, Spicer especially, present a different problem.

They share too many traits we think of as "Beat" to easily accept their

own denials that they are Beat writers.  I think this points to their

fear of getting sucked into A. Ginsberg's beat club and losing their

sense of their individual specialness.  All these guys had strong ego's

and Allan was such a charismatic PR man that he tended to dominate the

agenda.  He also picked the writers he wanted to promote, almost always

his old cronies.  It was easier for Bukowski to avoid this label because

he was out of the New York/San Francisco axis in LA.  For Spicer it was

harder.  He drank in the same bars and hung out with alot of of the SF

Beats.  He just wanted to be his own guy, and his poetry is in some ways

more classical than the others, although Whalen reminds me of Spicer

sometimes.

 

Literary history will ignore these fine divisions, however.  Whether

this group will always be labelled Beat or grouped under a wider label,

Bukowski and Spicer will always find themselves in this company, like it

or not.

 

J. Stauffer

 

Bob Lewis wrote:

>

> ahhh, the old question of is bukowski beat.

> here's my humble opinion.

>

> i think writers can have many "beat" characteristics. i bet if we put all

> 275 heads together on this list, we can name at least 25 writers who fit

> the description of "beat".

> FOR INSTANCE.... i've heard many  people around the beat lit circle refer

> to walt whitman as the original beat.  but was he a BEAT WRITER? i don't

> think many people would say yes. i think the beat generation is a group

> of writers who accepted the label- some begrudgingly, yes, but i think

> the most of them accepted it.

> bukowski doesn't want to be referred to as a beat writer as i understand

> it. well, maybe he's NOT. maybe he's "beat" in many ways, but not a beat

> writer. especially if he denies the label.

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>I have copies of the hardcover first edition of Kerouac's Selected Letters -

>as new in dust jacket - and signed by editor Ann Charters.

>Available to Beat-L members for $15.00 plus $1.50 shipping (USA)

>while supply lasts. Foreign orders: shipping is $3.00.

>This book originally published at $29.95 so that's a savings of almost 50%

>plus these copies are signed....

>Thanks _

>Jeffrey

>Water Row Books

>PO Box 438

>Sudbury MA 01776

 

Send me a copy Jeffrey. You have al the information: address, credti card

number.

 

j grant

 

 

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Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject:      whole earth review #90

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just thought that i would let ya'll know that the Whole Earth Review #90

contains Allen Ginsberg's (new?) "Mind Writing: Exercizes in POetic

Candor" and "mindwriting slogans" as well as two cute sketches of him by

ken botto. great pieces - great magazine (recently back on the shelves

after months on non-publication due to lack of $. sigh)

yrs

derek

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Friendly Advice to a Lot of Young Men (Re: bukowski as beat)

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Friendly Advice to a Lot of Young Men   by Charles Bukowski

 

Go to Tibet.

Ride a camel.

Read the bible.

Dye your shoes blue.

Grow a beard.

Circle the world in paper canoe.

Subscribe to The Saturday Evening Post.

Chew on the left side of your mouth only.

Marry a woman with one leg and shave with a

        straight razor.

And carve your name in her arm.

 

Brush your teeth with gasoline.

Sleep all day and climb trees at night.

Be a monk and drink buckshot and beer.

Hold your head under water and play violin.

Do a belly dance before pink candles.

Kill your dog.

Run for Mayor.

Live in a barrel.

Break your head with a hatchet.

Plant tulips in the rain.

 

but don't write poetry.

 

---written by henry charles bukowski---

 

not God but for sure a poetry angel---if he told to us

---i'm not a beat---or i'm not a poet---i'm Hunger---

like Knut Hamsun---saluti a tutti da rinaldo---

 

 

At 10.12 03/10/97 EDT,  Bob Lewis <kokupokit@JUNO.COM> wrote:

>ahhh, the old question of is bukowski beat.

>here's my humble opinion.

>

>i think writers can have many "beat" characteristics. i bet if we put all

>275 heads together on this list, we can name at least 25 writers who fit

>the description of "beat".

[snippin' for brevity]

>bob

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From:         Michael Skau <mskau@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Beat interviews

Comments: To: Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Michael Stutz wrote:

 

> Thanks everyone who helped me try and figure out who this mystery Arthur

> interviewer is. I have to go back to the original tape again, and maybe I

> will hear one of these names -- Arthurs Godfrey and Barlow, and Arnold

> Beerbaum -- in the previously incomprehensible bit. (What was that, "You

> can't learn anything you don't already know?")

>

Michael,

I wonder if you could have had in mind Al Aronowitz, who wrote a series of

articles called "The Beat Generation" for the _New York Post_ from March 9

to March 22, 1959. He interviewed Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burroughs for his

articles and included quotes from them.

Cordially,

Mike Skau

10/3/97

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I'm going to San Fransisco!! For the first time!  I will be making my trip

in November (around thanksgiving) and was wondering if anyone had any

recommendations for the places I *have* to visit.  I already plan on going

to City Lights Books and seeing Jack Kerouac Street.  I'll also go to

Haight and Ashbury.  Where else should I go?  I've got 5 days to blow and

I'm under 21, someone help me :)

 

Dana

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From:         Entropy Operator <rush2@INSTANTLINUX.COM>

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On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Dana Lee Kober wrote:

 

> I'm going to San Fransisco!! For the first time!  I will be making my trip

> in November (around thanksgiving) and was wondering if anyone had any

> recommendations for the places I *have* to visit.  I already plan on going

> to City Lights Books and seeing Jack Kerouac Street.  I'll also go to

> Haight and Ashbury.  Where else should I go?  I've got 5 days to blow and

> I'm under 21, someone help me :)

>

> Dana

Make sure you get on highway ne and drive about an hour or two away

forsf.. or you'll kick yourself to hell. half moon bay is a great place..

it's serene watchnig the 'surfers' go and do what they do.. I rented a

bike when I was there nad just spent a weekend riding up the coast.. and

dont be afraid to cross the bridge over to berkeley too :)  heck.. make

that first left when you get over the bridge.. its a neat little place.

.that old civil war encampment. neat place to ply around in.. great view

of the bay.. really pieceful/big cliff over the water you can just kinda

look down and watch the waves crash against the rock..  Check out sfsu.. I

cant rememebr which highway.. cuz I was going there from sunnyvale.. but

its a great drive.. big wide open highways.. beautiful hills.. and your

sure to find some kind of musical thing going on outsid.. in the campus by

the library.. and well ya gotta check out the coffee shops @ stanford.. i

spent a very entertaining evening at he coffee sops/bookshosp with a guy i

met there (great guy.  his nick's qua (i saw an article about him in wired

so looked him up).. look up qua! :) http://www.cs.olumbia.edu/~henry he's

a crazy great  guy obsessed with koala bears and piggy back rides. of

course there's city lights.. but on hyde stret there's ltos to do..

there's this great outdoor bistro (accrossed the street from.. gez. im not

sure. there's a bicycle shop aroudn thre.. but this outdoorrestaurant has

great tea and the food was rather good too (I had grilled ahi.. first tie

I ever had and it was amazing.. pricey too but that's sf).. take hyde sret

towards the wate and get on (the name I cant rmemeber) the road with all

the piers and go up/down therm.. lots of interesting things .. and.. well.

if you take the big highway towards sunnyvale (the one by the airport..

you get to the airport from there) from sf.. and go about 40 miles when

you get into sunynvale.. you'll see a holliday inn "residence" (or maybe a

marriot residence *shrug) on your right down that way is a big AMD

processor factory *snore.. but on your left is a great northern/southern

indian restauarant. great atmosphere and decent food (but you really dont

have to go that far from sf to get to good food :) *grin* well there aer

most of my tips for enjoying yourelf in sf.. oh and try the "tgi fridays"

on hyde street (ys i really enjoye dthe little area by hyde street.. not

too far from city lights I think.. but not sure cuz i was driving).. lots

of people.. always there.. lots of yuippies but then you get your version

of the californian average joe too .. it's all fun :)

and of course go hang out in haight  park :)  its like being in

manhattan.. always some cool kid.. runaway whatever. playing some kinda

instrument..  when youve got nowhere else to go interesting go right down

there

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Go to The Kerouac Quarterly Web Page for update at:

 

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html

 

There will be a comprehesive update after the weekend is over. I have a

brief overview on the page of today's Beat Symposium. Thanks, Paul....

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: the early Bukowski.

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>Return-Path: <morpheous@boone.net>

>From: "Matthew Murray" <morpheous@boone.net>

>To: "Rinaldo Rasa" <rasa@gpnet.it>

>Subject: Re: the early Bukowski.

>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:39:53 -0400

>

>Matthew Murray writes:

>The word "beat" as coined by Jack can be looked at not so much as a time or

>situation dependent literary genre, but an artistic and spiritual attitude.

>"Beat" aka cashed, worn out, tired, not so much the hipster thing.  If

>Charles Bukowski was not "beat" then I don't know who is, but Bukowski

>himself sneered at being classified with those folks.  He was indifferent

>when he met Bill Burroughs, and always sighed when young hipsters would tell

>him how much they dug his "shit,man" within the context of beat authoring.

>The bottom line is that these folks were both damn good writers and they

>both strained the hell out of their livers.

>

>-*-

 

Rinaldo,

 

Was "Beat" coined by JK?

 

I thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or Kaufmann

being responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist

attributed it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a bit

foggy right now) says Hunke..

 

j grant

 

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From:         "Jon B. Pearlstone" <THYE@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Dana's request for SF Ideas

 

A few spots worth checking out if your into authentic Beat areas:

 

1.  The Town of Bolinas

2.   Bolinas Beach

3.   The areas around Mount Tam--near "mill city" as described in OTR

4.   The Beaches along the coast north of San Francisco

5.   Anywhere in Point Reyes National Seashore

 

 

All of these are in or near Marin County--just north across the golden gate

bridge from San Francisco--I moved here a year ago and there is so much to

see (particularly if you're into outdoors stuff) you could never do it all.

 

Be sure to check out all the small towns in Marin--Sausalito, Mill Valley,

etc.  Lots of bike rental shops as this is the home of mountain biking--great

way to get around--also ask for maps--I recommend "the ramblers guide to

Mount Tamalpais"

 

Could be rainy this year in November--come prepared

 

Hope that helps--

 

Jon Pearlstone

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From:         Mike Rice <mrice@CENTURYINTER.NET>

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At 09:16 PM 10/3/97 -0600, you wrote:

>>Return-Path: <morpheous@boone.net>

>>From: "Matthew Murray" <morpheous@boone.net>

>>To: "Rinaldo Rasa" <rasa@gpnet.it>

>>Subject: Re: the early Bukowski.

>>Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:39:53 -0400

>>

>>Matthew Murray writes:

>>The word "beat" as coined by Jack can be looked at not so much as a time or

>>situation dependent literary genre, but an artistic and spiritual attitude.

>>"Beat" aka cashed, worn out, tired, not so much the hipster thing.  If

>>Charles Bukowski was not "beat" then I don't know who is, but Bukowski

>>himself sneered at being classified with those folks.  He was indifferent

>>when he met Bill Burroughs, and always sighed when young hipsters would tell

>>him how much they dug his "shit,man" within the context of beat authoring.

>>The bottom line is that these folks were both damn good writers and they

>>both strained the hell out of their livers.

>>

>>-*-

>

>Rinaldo,

>

>Was "Beat" coined by JK?

>

>I thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or Kaufmann

>being responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist

>attributed it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a bit

>foggy right now) says Hunke..

>

>j grant

>

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>

 

He died of cancer in the last year, at 81, 29 years

after quitting smoking.  Herb Caen was a columnist for

the San Francisco Chronicle since the 40s.

 

Mike Rice

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Subject:      Re: origins of "beat"

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j grant writes:

 

> >Was "Beat" coined by JK?

> >

> >I thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or

Kaufmann

> >being responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist

> >attributed it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a

bit

> >foggy right now) says Hunke..

> >

> >j grant

 

Kerouac and John Clellon Holmes picked up the street term "beat" from

Huncke initially, but it was Kerouac and Holmes who applied it to their

generation (i.e. Beat Generation).

 

Jym

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Jym Mooney wrote:

>

> j grant writes:

>

> > >Was "Beat" coined by JK?

> > >

> > >I thought there were closer, more significant ties to Hunke and/or

> Kaufmann

> > >being responsible. I think Herb Caine (sp) San Francisco columnist

> > >attributed it to Kaufmann, however, the recent Hunke Reader (and I'm a

> bit

> > >foggy right now) says Hunke..

> > >

> > >j grant

>

> Kerouac and John Clellon Holmes picked up the street term "beat" from

> Huncke initially, but it was Kerouac and Holmes who applied it to their

> generation (i.e. Beat Generation).

>

> Jym

 

i recall seeing 'beat' used in WSB's letters 45-59 that i read this

summer - seemed to be a street use that he might have picked up from

Huncke, but i was kinda surprised that he doesn't get included in the

anatomy of the term.

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:29:47 -0700

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Subject:      Re: Al  (Jazzbeaux) Collins

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Jazz fans and students of Kerouacian details  will be saddened to hear

of the passing of veteran jazz dj Al Collins at the age of 79 in Mill

Valley.  Al in his Purple Grotto appears in at least one place in

Visions of Cody. Al was an unforgettable act.

 

J. Stauffer

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Al  (Jazzbeaux) Collins

 

god, feels like we're going to have to look back at this year as the year of

death.  spin some good ones in Beat heaven, Al - godspeed.

 

ciao,

sherri

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From:         Gary Mex Glazner <PoetMex@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: origins of "beat"

Comments: To: race@midusa.net

 

Dear Beatnik-L

 

The term "Beatnik" first appeared in Herb Caen's

column refering to "beats" and "sputnik" as both far out!

Legand has it that Bob Kaufman probably said beatnik first,

but no one knows for sure. Caen claimed he coined the term,

and although his column was mostly quotes of things people said,

he was always making up words...

 

with flowers in my hair,

Gary Mex

Words on Wheels

85 Stanyan Street and other Sorrows

Frisco by the Bay

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From:         Philomene Long <PHILOMENE@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: the early Bukowski.

 

Philomene Long here. Regarding Bukowski and the Beats- I thought I would ask

John Thomas for first hand quotes from Hank about his being called "Beat".

The following is John's reply.

 

"Drunk or sober, Hank brooded about the Beats.  To me, on night in 1967,

reasonably sober: 'Oh, JOhn, I can't stand your friends!  All these candy-ass

little Beats! Mumble, mumble.' Hank didn't want to be hooked to any group or

achooll, wanted to stand alone. ANother night, same year, at BArney's

Beanery, pretty boxed out and acreaming: 'I'M CHARLES BUKOWSKI THE POET!' No

one looked up. Me: ' Shit, HAnk, say your Ginsberg. That'll grab 'em/ Hank: '

I'd rather be deadm man.  I'd rather be Sara Teasdale.' "

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Philomene,

 

Thanks for the wonderful Bukowsi quotes.  It is easy to imagine Jack

Spicer, equally hammered, ranting the same rant.  What hell it was for

these guys, brilliant as they were, to have to exist in Ginzy's media

shadow.

 

Nice to have your input on the list.  Say hi to  griffin for me if you

see him.

 

J. Stauffer

 

Philomene Long wrote:

 

(snip)

>

> "Drunk or sober, Hank brooded about the Beats.  To me, on night in 1967,

> reasonably sober: 'Oh, JOhn, I can't stand your friends!  All these candy-ass

> little Beats! Mumble, mumble.' (snip)  ANother night, same year, at BArney's

> Beanery, pretty boxed out and acreaming: 'I'M CHARLES BUKOWSKI THE POET!' No

> one looked up. Me: ' Shit, HAnk, say your Ginsberg. That'll grab 'em/ Hank: '

> I'd rather be deadm man.  I'd rather be Sara Teasdale.' "

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Date:         Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:49:27 -0700

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It would be nice to know how Al will do his show in the Great Beyond.

He may have to give up the Purple Grotto thing, "3 and 1/2 stories below

the main studio" or however he billed it--maybe Al from a purple cloud,

spinning some great bop for all the bad beat boys in that great reunion

out there . . . with a few of his Lord Buckleyesque raps thrown in

between cuts.

 

J. Stauffer

 

Sherri wrote:

 

 spin some good ones in Beat heaven, Al - godspeed.

>

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Date:         Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:26:08 -0700

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Michael,

 

This seems a far more likely interviewer than anyone else I have heard

mentioned, Arthur Godfrey?  Please.

 

J. Stauffer

 

Michael Skau wrote:

> I wonder if you could have had in mind Al Aronowitz, who wrote a series of

> articles called "The Beat Generation" for the _New York Post_ from March 9

> to March 22, 1959.

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From:         Sherri <love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Campo Ai Frari, Venezia.

 

ah Rinaldo, the song of all artists....  and if i had the money i'd give it to

you and Marie to pursue your Muses.  (know what it's like to have to go from

artist  to working stiff....)

 

ciao,

sherri

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It seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.

There are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why

this is happening.

could you please mail me if you know what is going on

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:50:34 +0000

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kafka has been reincarnated as a computer ?

the elfs again?

i have no idea, john but am wondering if this will make it to you or to

the list as well

mc

 

John Kerr wrote:

 

> It seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.

> There are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why

> this is happening.

> could you please mail me if you know what is going on

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 07:43:40 -0500

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Marie Countryman wrote:

>

> kafka has been reincarnated as a computer ?

> the elfs again?

> i have no idea, john but am wondering if this will make it to you or to

> the list as well

> mc

>

> John Kerr wrote:

>

> > It seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.

> > There are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why

> > this is happening.

> > could you please mail me if you know what is going on

 

heisenberg's uncertainty principle in relation to the beat-l techne

 

dbr

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:20:00 +0900

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Odd question, I know, but one which I beg an answer to...

 

Anyone care to help?

 

Cheers,

 

Rastous El Aurance

 

 

For further examples of my work, check out Liquid Review at:

http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/index.htm

 

And catch me, Pushkin & Krystalle on Tumultuous in Real Audio:

http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/radio.htm on October 17, 11pm Adelaide

time.

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:28:39 -0400

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At 05:57 PM 10/5/97 +1000, you wrote:

>It seems that all mail adressed to beat-l has been somehow sent here.

>There are 50 messages which have not been deleted and im wondering why

>this is happening.

>could you please mail me if you know what is going on

>

No idea - I have gotten hardly any Beat-L mail in the past couple of days.

 

Jon

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Subject:      Poems from the Womb of Unity copyright 10/97

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> > > Expectancy

> > >

> > > Quiet rapture of silently sitting

> > >                                         doing nothing

> > >

> > > and             the Universe comes to you

> > >

> > >                                 in

> > >

> > >                         every chirping of the crickets

> > >

> > >                                 echoing

> > >

> > > the lost songs of generations lost in the rush of living joylessly

> > >

> > >                                synchronicity

> > >

> > >                 at first it hits you in the face . . . BAM!

> > >

> > >                         that's a miracle and then comes

> > >

> > >                                 the doubt

> > >                                 the fear

> > >

> > >                         at the move back from the shock

> > >

> > >                                 BUT ...

> > >

> > >         then you move past false promise to the expectancy of

> > >

> > >                            syncrhonicity

> > >

> > >                         as long as the crickets chirp.

> > >

> > > Second poem:

> > >

> > > Duality

> > >

> > > The idea of duality

> > >         is the paradox which

> > >         most faces the dawning

> > >         of the new millenia

> > > We long for unity

> > >         it is a longing imbedded

> > >         deep in our genetic memory

> > >         and the presence of duality

> > >         propels us to try to

> > >         connect every duality

> > >         that we see

> > > But --

> > >         this creates a whole new set

> > >         of dualities

> > >         as the connected spots form new

> > >         separations

> > >         that forbid us from meeting

> > >         our desires. . .

> > > We need another look

> > >         to Divide not Connect

> > >         the dualities to Infinity

> > > And then LISTEN

> > >         -- quietly

> > >         -- carefully

> > >         until the symphony of Infinity

> > >         creates the sound of Unity

> > >

> > >         AND We

> > >                 realize

> > >                 and accept

> > >         that

> > >         Infinity

> > >                         and

> > >                                    Unity

> > >                 are

> > >                 the

> > >                 same

> > >                 coin

> > >         merely different sides

> > >                 of

> > >              Eternity

> > >

> > > dbr

> >

> >                         Dis-Ease

> > written ten a.m. from womb of unity ... for gene ....

> > by David Rhaesa

> >

> > Dis-ease is a lack

> >         of easiness

> >         an allergy of duality

> >         in the connections

> >         of the spirit

> >         with the world

> >

> >         The body places our

> >                 souls

> >                 and part of our

> >                 consciousness

> >                 within the limits

> >                 of finite

> >                 space/time

> >

> >                 And our soul resides

> >                         in the infinity

> >                         and unity of

> >                         eternity

> >

> >                         And the duality of

> >                                 finite and infinite

> >                                 together

> >                                 can lead to

> >                                 fight or flight

> >                                 and consequent

> >                                 dis-ease

> >

> >                 or Stand and EnJOY

> >                         and

> >                         easily

> >                         breathe the prayer of living

> >                         grateful

> >                         with

> >                         our

> >                         place in the

> >                         Universe

> >

> >                                 one grain of sand

> >

> >         an electromagnetic force combining to form a spiritual

> >                 and physical being

> >                                 connected

> >                                 to

> >                                 the family

> >

> >                                         beings

> >                                         becoming functional

> >                                         from the dysfunctionality

> >                                         of our own

> >                                         making

> >

> >                 Bound,

> >                         Healing,

> >                 in the

> >                 wedding

> >                 of

> >                 the Bride and Groom

> >

> >                         the anima and animus

> >                         that from the Womb

> >                         creates

> >                         the Archetypal Self

> >                                 draped

> >                                 in a coat

> >                                 of many colours

> >

> >         And communicate

> >                 the truth of Love

> >                 that deconstructs the Paradigm of Fear

> >                 the messages we hear of

> >                 choice is tragic

> >                 and

> >                 we are condemned to freedom

> >

> >                         LOVE

> >                         SHINES

> >                         THROUGH

> >

> >                         with

> >                         the recognition in the Other

> >                                 the Thou

> >

> >         in my neighbor and my Pet Rock

> >

> >                                         as Ultimate Concern

> >

> >                 of the Shared Responsibility

> >

> >                                 one grain

> >                                 of sand

> >                                 to another

> >                                 creating

> >                                 courageously

> >                                         from the Cocoon of the Self

> >

> >                 to the Creature

> >

> >                         the Butterfly

> >

> >                                 of the Universal  WE.

> >

> > david rhaesa

> > salina kansas

> > copyright October 97

> >

> > dbr

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Subject:      Kerouac weekend...Thanks!

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Thanks to all those who attended and purchased the Kerouac Quarterly. Your

help towards making this publication successful is greatly appreciated. The

future plan for TKQ is to found a journal for the serious scholarly study of

Kerouac and his work(s). What I endeavor to do with the proceeds of all

future issues is to create some form of scholarship by contribution and to

make the journal solely non-profit. With the rising costs of independent

publishing, it makes this plan even more of a challenge. For Vol. I, No. 3,

one dollar from each issue sold will be placed into a scholarship fund. The

particulars of this are not nailed down but it will be based on submissions

from those who have undertaken an undergraduate study of Kerouac in the form

of an essay. Thesis' submitted will be judged by an editorial board of

educators who are more than casually acquainted with this field of

study.This board, (an attempt to create a solid editorial board who are in

the postion to judge articulate, researched, and well-thought out

essays)will commit to an issue of TKQ in choosing essays for each quarter.

Anyone who feels they would like to be on this board please contact me off

the list.

  There are still a few issues left of Vol. I, No. 2. Again, thanks to those

who purchased this issue and made it possible to continue with a third. I

beat the national average of 2 issues for independent publications!

 

There are some updates as of today on TKQ Web Page:

 

     Take care, Paul of The Kerouac Quarterly. . .

 

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:54:22 -0700

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Subject:      black beats

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       Thanks to the wonders of our education system, I have to do a report

on a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and

I'm having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,

much less anything about them.  So I'd apperciate any help.

 

Janelle

 

 

 

 

 

        "Strange now to think of you, gone without corsets & eyes,"

                                                        --Allen Ginsberg

 

        "So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down

river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that

raw land  that rolls in one unbelivble huge bulge over to the West Coast,

and all that road going and all thoes people dreaming in the immensity of

it, and in Iowa i know by now the children must be crying in the land where

they let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you

know God is Pooh Bear?  the evening star must be drooping and shedding her

spakler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of compleate

night that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds

the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to

anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I

even think of old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean

Moriarty."                      --Jack Kerouac

 

 

 

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:11:05 -0600

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: black beats

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>       Thanks to the wonders of our education system, I have to do a report

>on a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and

>I'm having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,

>much less anything about them.  So I'd apperciate any help.

>

>Janelle

>

 

Janelle,

 

Couple of books by Bob Kaufman. Black poet. Close to Keroauc in CA in the

very beginning.

 

Check:

THE ANCIENT RAIN: Poems 1956-1978 (Beat Poetry) by Bob Kaufman

http://www.bookzen.com/books/002kaubob.html

 

and

Solitudes Crowded With Loneliness (Beat Poetry) by Bob Kaufman

http://www.bookzen.com/books/001kaubob.html

 

 

Some believe he coined the term "Beat," but it was probably Herbert Huncke

 

Herbert Huncke Reader, The (Non-Fiction) Edited by Ben Schafer

http://www.bookzen.com/books/068815266Xb.html

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Also, call REFERENCE DESK at public or college library. They love to help.

 

j grant

 

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:22:58 -0700

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George wrote:

>

>        Thanks to the wonders of our education system, I have to do a report

> on a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and

> I'm having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,

> much less anything about them.

 

Janelle,

 

Start with A. Baraka (formerely Le Roi Jones) and especially Bob

Kaufman. Kaufman's "Cranial Guitar" should be findable in Olympia, as

would some Jones (Baraka) (sp--my mental spell check is off tonight.

 

J. Stauffer

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:51:06 -0400

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Why not try Bob Kaufamn and LeRoi Jones(Amiri Barkara) and Ted Jones.

There's a good book of criticism that includes them: _The Beat Generation

Writers_ ed. A. Robert Lee.

 

Jon

 

At 07:54 PM 10/5/97 -0700, you wrote:

>       Thanks to the wonders of our education system, I have to do a report

>on a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and

>I'm having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,

>much less anything about them.  So I'd apperciate any help.

>

>Janelle

>

>

>

>

>

>        "Strange now to think of you, gone without corsets & eyes,"

>                                                        --Allen Ginsberg

>

>        "So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old

broken-down

>river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that

>raw land  that rolls in one unbelivble huge bulge over to the West Coast,

>and all that road going and all thoes people dreaming in the immensity of

>it, and in Iowa i know by now the children must be crying in the land where

>they let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you

>know God is Pooh Bear?  the evening star must be drooping and shedding her

>spakler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of compleate

>night that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds

>the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to

>anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I

>even think of old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean

>Moriarty."                      --Jack Kerouac

>

>

>

>*********************************************************************

>If you would like to submit an artical, drawing, photograph, poem, song,

>story, joke, rant, manifesto, or whatever else you have, to 96 MILES TO

>PORTLAND, PLEASE contact me.  If you want to subscribe PLEASE contact me, if

>you submitt your issue containing the submission is free.  If you would just

>like to get an issue then it's $1. By e-mail it's free but you can't seee

>the pretty pictures

>

>

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:36:53 -0700

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From:         Adrien Begrand <vic.begrand@SK.SYMPATICO.CA>

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For anyone interested, there's an interesting interview with Caleb Carr

at the Salon website. Here's where to go:

http://www.salonmagazine.com/books/int/

 

Adrien

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Subject:      another monday morning

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a twister catches

all Beat-L posts and deposits

them in the chirp of a cricket

Frances spills a cup

of coffee and it showers

the cricket

who runs away

but returns

to sing his song

just another monday morning

october this time around (i think)

on my back stoop....

 

david rhaesa

salina, Kansas

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:23:41 EDT

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Subject:      Re: Kerouac weekend...Thanks!

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              <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

 

It was a fun conference, Paul.  Looked for you at the book fair and at the conc

ert/reading Friday night but didn't run into you.  Maybe next time.

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Subject:      Re: black beats

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        Ted Joans, LeRoi Jones (Amiri Baraki), and fucking Langston Hughes

if you want to stretch a bit.  I saw the second Jones read last year at

the Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, and it seems that, in the current

climate of poetics, he's the most immediate and vital poet left of the

beats.  "Transblusency" and there's an autobiography somewhere.

 

        Patrick F. Durgin

 

 

                     |||pdurgin@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu|||

                        ___________________________

 

On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, George wrote:

 

>        Thanks to the wonders of our education system, I have to do a report

> on a 'famous' African American, and I'd like to do one on a beat poet and

> I'm having trouble finding out if there was an African American beat poet,

> much less anything about them.  So I'd apperciate any help.

>

> Janelle

>

>

>

>

>

>         "Strange now to think of you, gone without corsets & eyes,"

>                                                         --Allen Ginsberg

>

>         "So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down

> river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that

> raw land  that rolls in one unbelivble huge bulge over to the West Coast,

> and all that road going and all thoes people dreaming in the immensity of

> it, and in Iowa i know by now the children must be crying in the land where

> they let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you

> know God is Pooh Bear?  the evening star must be drooping and shedding her

> spakler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of compleate

> night that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds

> the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to

> anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I

> even think of old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean

> Moriarty."                      --Jack Kerouac

>

>

>

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:52:53 +0100

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Davide's Bar.

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AND THE SILENCE RETURNS.

 

 

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rinaldo

6th oct 97

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:42:28 -0400

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From:         "Paul A. Maher Jr." <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kerouac weekend...Thanks!

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At 10:23 AM 10/6/97 EDT, you wrote:

>It was a fun conference, Paul.  Looked for you at the book fair and at the conc

>ert/reading Friday night but didn't run into you.  Maybe next time.

>

 

 Sorry to have missed you Bill...there's always next time. Paul...

 

 

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/KerouacQuarterly.html

"We cannot well do without our sins; they are the highway to our virtues."

                                           Henry David Thoreau

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:51:42 -0400

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From:         Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Al Aronowitz

 

In a message dated 97-10-04 00:13:11 EDT, you write:

 

<< I wonder if you could have had in mind Al Aronowitz, who wrote a series of

 articles called "The Beat Generation" for the _New York Post_ from March 9

 to March 22, 1959. He interviewed Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burroughs for his

 articles and included quotes from them. >>

 

 

check out Al's web site at http://www.bigmajic.com

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:28:21 -0400

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Subject:      Re: black beats

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> Thanks to the wonders of our education system, I have to do a report

>on a 'famous' African American

 

You don't sound happy about this assignment... how come?

 

--

Adam

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:38:55 +0000

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From:         randy royal <randyr@MAILHUB.JAXNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Is Kesey considered beat?

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i guess... one flew over the cuckoo's nest definetly is not beat, but

it is very suggestive in its implications. don't know about the rest of

his stuff.

> Odd question, I know, but one which I beg an answer to...

>

> Anyone care to help?

>

> Cheers,

>

> Rastous El Aurance

>

>

randy

 

> For further examples of my work, check out Liquid Review at:

> http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/index.htm

>

> And catch me, Pushkin & Krystalle on Tumultuous in Real Audio:

> http://light.iinet.net.au/~rastous/radio.htm on October 17, 11pm Adelaide

> time.

>

>

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:53:56 -0400

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From:         Richard Wallner <rwallner@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Is Kesey considered beat?

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Kesey is "beat" in the sense that he was a writer who wrote about

characters who fought conventionality and conformity, and had a healthy

cynicism about life and society.

 

But on the other hand, Kesey-- unlike the other beat writers-- was the

leader of a cult.  In "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test", Tom Wolfe details

many comparisons between Kesey/the Merry Pranksters and other notable

cults.  The Pranksters were a small group of people who basically

worshipped Ken Kesey and lived through him, did what he said, and

practiced lifestyles according to his wishes.  While some might argue

that other beat writers had cults, none had one as direct as Kesey.

 

Also, most beat writers were agnostic or in question of faith, but there

was a subtle religious subtext to the Furthur bus and Kesey's

pranksterism.  Among the first places Kesey ever took his bus, and the

pranksters, were unitarian church gatherings in California.  In later

pictures of the second Furthur bus, there is a cross painted on one

side.  The Merry Pranksters apparently viewed (or view) Kesey as some

sort of prophet, and see themselves and their mission as spiritual.

 

So what? Jack Kerouac also saw his mission as spiritual in essence, but I

guess the difference is that he saw the "journey" as an individual

experience, while the Pranksters practiced a "group" experience.

 

So I would say that Ken Kesey is beat,but a different sort of beat than

Jack Kerouac.  Kerouac's beat ethic is rooted in theloneliness and

isolation of the individual soul, while Kesey's sees the world as lonely

and isolated, not the individuals in it.

 

 

RJW

 



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