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At
08:53 AM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>SPIN
is just very uneven. They are not as
predictable as Rolling Stone,
>which
can be refreshing. But SPIN lets a lot
of silly stuff into print
Yeah,
I'd agree with you. They may actually
have done a piece putting down
Jerry
Garcia as someone brought up as a theoetical comparison.
Spin
was recently bought by Vibe. I don't
know if there is a new staff yet
but I
did notice that for the last two issues they have not had the Words
from
the Front coulmn on AIDS that has been in each issue for a decade now.
I
assume it has been discontinued which is too bad.
-
>poorly
written, poorly researched, poorly edited if at all, and the Burroughs
>piece
was an example of all of the above, more like what you would expect
>from
a college newspaper, just one guy musing about his poorly formed
>impressions
rather than anything resembeling journalism.
>
>SPIN's
list of the 40 most important musicians about six months ago was just
>hysterical. Warhol was wrong, at places like SPIN fame
comes and goes in way
>under
15 minutes. SPIN has trouble dealing
with the fact that sometimes
>there
are a few folks that actually are famous and "in" for a little more
>than
a few hours. Like him or not, William
S. Burroughs was one of that
>breed. Its not surprising that some have trouble
dealing with that.
>
>Howard
Park
>
>
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reading
you loud and clear, m'dear.
mc
Sherri
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>
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Wondering
about directions? I've heard that
Arapahoe and Pearl are
streets
to wander along. Are there others? Any doors i should knock on
unannounced????
Arapahoe and Pearl (esp. the Pearl Street
Mall(a walking mall, full of
buskers on the weekend, etc.)) are fun
spots. You might check out the
Beat Book Store, don't have an address
but if you pick up one of the
free indy papers floating around I'm sure
it'll have an ad. Can't
remember the real name of The Hill but
you'll find it, or it'll find
you, that's the other "cool"
street in town.
Naropa is on Arapahoe, always something
going on there.
love and lilies,
matt h.
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shelley&wollstonecraft listserv?
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derek :
i just did a search engine on my own bookshelves. a great place to start
is a
book by sandra m. gilbert and susan gubar: _the madwoman in the attic_::the
woman
writer and the nineteeth century literary imagination. let me know if you
need it
mailed up to you if you guys can't get a copy (yale univ. press
copywrite
'79.
hope
this helps: they are feminist scholars. underline scholars.
mc
Derek
A. Beaulieu wrote:
> mc
>
done a serach (listserv@listserv.net) for romantic, shelley,
>
wollstonecraft, romanticist, byron, 18 th century literature with no dice
> so
far. no help from boho's either. theres gott abe something on all them
>
listservs out there. gotta be something of use, no?
>
thanks for all the help ive received so far - i really appreciate it.
>
yrs
>
derek
>
> On
Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Marie Countryman wrote:
>
>
>
>
> derek: i'd try asking the bohos as well. they are more eclectic crowd.
also
>
> i think your needs would best be served not on a web site but on a
specific
>
> lit list. i don't have the info, but i hope someone here can give you a
more
>
> detailed response. btw: have you ever seen 'frankenstein unbound'? it's a
>
> great scifi/time travel/literary adventure-but not helpful in a scholarly
>
> way.
>
> mc
>
>
>
> Derek A. Beaulieu wrote:
>
>
>
> > hey there?
>
> > i was wondering if anyone out there knows if there is a romantic lit
or
>
> > mary shelly/mary wollstonecraft listserv in email land. my girlfreind
is
> >
> doing her masters thesis on shelley/wollstonecraft & the figure of
>
> > prometheus & i was wondering if there is any any internet
resources that
>
> > you folks would recommend.
>
> > (aint that strange - a beat "scholar/enthusiast" and a 19th
C romanticist
>
> > ?? haha.)
>
> > thanks a HUGE bundle
>
> > yrs
>
> > derek
>
>
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Me the
same !
Francesco
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>
reading you loud and clear, m'dear.
> mc
>
>
Sherri wrote:
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>
> i'm trying to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would
someone
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> send a test out to the list, so i can see if i'm back. if i don't
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in
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> about an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.
>
>
>
> ciao,
>
> sherri
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Hi,
I saw
this posted at the New York Times web site.
They have a forum on
Kerouac
going. The topic is "Kerouac:
Writer or Typist" And the opening
question
is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
writing,
but typing. Dig it?".
Someone
called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
provided
some interesting info. He (or she)
wrote:
For anyone interested in a glimpse
of Kerouac's
never-before-available
road diaries, check out The
New Yorker in the coming weeks.
Kerouac's literary executor,
Douglas
Brinkley (author of The
Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
early
correspondence The Proud
Highway, among other things), is
going to edit and publish this
epic
journal and will be offering
a few excerpts from the diaries in
an upcoming issue of The New
Yorker.
Anyone
know anything about this?
Is
Brinkley the literary executor?
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On Wed,
17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
> We
got old timers and prospectors on this hyar hookup!
>
>
Mike Rice
Don't
forget us whippersnapper voyeurs!
Jorgiana
**************
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Sherri
wrote:
>
>
i'm trying to re-subscribe, but it doesn't seem to be working... would someone
>
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>
about an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.
>
>
ciao,
>
sherri
seems
to be working fine.... dbr
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I have
sent this message to the beat-l and have also sent it to you directly
at
love_singing@CLASSIC.MSN.COM
If you
don't get two copies of this message you are not resubscribed.
The
major problem people will have when subscribing is that they will send
the
subscribe or unsubscribe to the list address itself rather than CUNY's
listserv
program.
the
correct address to subscribe (or unsub)
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In the
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At
05:37 PM 9/17/97 UT, you wrote:
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an hour, please cc me and i'll try to subscribe again.
>
>ciao,
>sherri
>
>
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>Is
Brinkley the literary executor?
Are you sure it didn't say
"executioner"? Although I'm a
fan of
Brinley's, he can border on soppy. The Majic Bus, as a concept of
education is wonderful, as a book it's a
very interesting read, as
literature it's soggy with emotionalism.
love and soggy lilies,
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At
12:48 PM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I
saw this posted at the New York Times web site. They have a forum on
>Kerouac
going. The topic is "Kerouac:
Writer or Typist" And the opening
>question
is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
>writing,
but typing. Dig it?".
>
>Someone
called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
>provided
some interesting info. He (or she)
wrote:
>
>
> For anyone interested in a glimpse
of Kerouac's
>never-before-available
road diaries, check out The
> New Yorker in the coming weeks.
Kerouac's literary executor,
>Douglas
Brinkley (author of The
> Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
>early
correspondence The Proud
> Highway, among other things), is
going to edit and publish this
>epic
journal and will be offering
> a few excerpts from the diaries in
an upcoming issue of The New
>Yorker.
>
>
>
>Anyone
know anything about this?
>
>Is
Brinkley the literary executor?
>
NO. John Sampas, Jack's brother in law, is the
Executor of The Estate of
Jack
Kerouac.
-Jon
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Subject: Re: something to spin...
SPIN
was always very snide about the Dead. I
once talked to Gucione
personally
about it, the the NYU Beat Conference.
Howard
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As luck
would have it, my local PBS station chose not to broadcast _The Life
and
Times of Allen Ginsberg_ tonight. I also missed it when it came to the
local
alternative cinema house. Anyone taping it, and willing to trade? I
have a
couple Beat-related (and otherwise) things on tape.
Email
me privately at stutz@dsl.org if interested. Thanks.
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Michael
Stutz wrote:
>
> As
luck would have it, my local PBS station chose not to broadcast _The Life
>
and Times of Allen Ginsberg_ tonight. I also missed it when it came to the
>
local alternative cinema house. Anyone taping it, and willing to trade? I
>
have a couple Beat-related (and otherwise) things on tape.
>
>
Email me privately at stutz@dsl.org if interested. Thanks.
my
library had it and i really enjoyed it awhile back. I must say the
section
of Louis G. reading at father's grave and then Allen doing
Father
death blues pushed me to the point of weeping.
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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What
can be said about the irreverent, trashy, poorly-written, Gen-X
biased,
idiot-authored piece abou the death of Burroughs that appeared
in
SPIN? You know, maybe he was right, you
know, maybe Burroughs
isn't a
genius... and maybe I'm not angry about the article, either...
'Cause
ya know, it's not like Burroughs has put out any books lately,
like
_My_Education_, or anything like that.
It's not like Burroughs
was a
literary genius, perhaps the most important novelist that the
world
has ever known, not to mention the most revolutionary.
But I
get too carried away in the sarcasm...
As a
Gen-Xer myself, (and god do I wish I wasn't) I can see what
happened
in the article. The author exhibited
signs of "Indie Rock
Disease." Indie Rock Disease, or IRD, is a disease
found most
commonly
amongst punk, hard-core, and post-punk listening kids that
congregate
in coffeehouses and music clubs. IRD is
itself
debilitating
and may cause spontaneous atrophying of the brain if it
goes
unchecked. IRD manifests itself as a
sort of hubris, in which
the
victim believes that anything in particular can be cool, in and of
its own
merit, until other people start to like it, i.e., it becomes
popular,
i.e., it comes into public scrutiny. At
such a point,
whatever
was considered cool is now cast away as "sold out" and
ignored
but for bitching rants that the victim may go off on.
As the
writer of this article was the victim of a terrible, terrible
disease,
I say that perhaps we shouldn't even blame him. Maybe we
shouldn't
even consider the fact that he wrote anything.
Maybe we
should
just go about our daily Beat business and ignore anything that
this
poor, ignorant, stupid, disease-stricken kid had to say.
thank you for your time,
Dr. Adam J Muszkiewicz,
PhD
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i've
always wondered if this had been given
a real name.... just as
plausible
as ADD.
randy
> What
can be said about the irreverent, trashy, poorly-written, Gen-X
>
biased, idiot-authored piece abou the death of Burroughs that appeared
> in
SPIN? You know, maybe he was right, you
know, maybe Burroughs
>
isn't a genius... and maybe I'm not angry about the article, either...
>
'Cause ya know, it's not like Burroughs has put out any books lately,
>
like _My_Education_, or anything like that.
It's not like Burroughs
>
was a literary genius, perhaps the most important novelist that the
>
world has ever known, not to mention the most revolutionary.
>
But I get too carried away in the sarcasm...
> As
a Gen-Xer myself, (and god do I wish I wasn't) I can see what
>
happened in the article. The author
exhibited signs of "Indie Rock
>
Disease." Indie Rock Disease, or
IRD, is a disease found most
>
commonly amongst punk, hard-core, and post-punk listening kids that
>
congregate in coffeehouses and music clubs.
IRD is itself
>
debilitating and may cause spontaneous atrophying of the brain if it
>
goes unchecked. IRD manifests itself as
a sort of hubris, in which
>
the victim believes that anything in particular can be cool, in and of
>
its own merit, until other people start to like it, i.e., it becomes
>
popular, i.e., it comes into public scrutiny.
At such a point,
>
whatever was considered cool is now cast away as "sold out" and
>
ignored but for bitching rants that the victim may go off on.
> As
the writer of this article was the victim of a terrible, terrible
>
disease, I say that perhaps we shouldn't even blame him. Maybe we
>
shouldn't even consider the fact that he wrote anything. Maybe we
>
should just go about our daily Beat business and ignore anything that
>
this poor, ignorant, stupid, disease-stricken kid had to say.
>
> thank you for your time,
>
> Dr. Adam J Muszkiewicz,
PhD
>
>
>
>
===
>
visit my web site, The Beat(en) Regeneration
>
(http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/6131)
>
for info on the Beat, Beatnik and Neo-Beat subcultures
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On Wed,
17 Sep 1997, Timothy K. Gallaher wrote:
>
Hi,
>
> I
saw this posted at the New York Times web site. They have a forum on
>
Kerouac going. The topic is
"Kerouac: Writer or Typist"
And the opening
>
question is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
>
writing, but typing. Dig it?".
>
>
Someone called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
>
provided some interesting info. He (or
she) wrote:
>
>
> For anyone interested in a glimpse
of Kerouac's
>
never-before-available road diaries, check out The
> New Yorker in the coming weeks.
Kerouac's literary executor,
>
Douglas Brinkley (author of The
> Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
>
early correspondence The Proud
> Highway, among other things), is
going to edit and publish this
>
epic journal and will be offering
> a few excerpts from the diaries in
an upcoming issue of The New
>
Yorker.
>
WOW!!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!! AHHH!!! Jack's road diaries!?? YAHOOO!!
Man,
Douglas Brinkley is SO COOL. _The Majic
Bus_ is not an attempt at a
novel
(although i think it reads almost like one), but it is beautiful.
The
whole idea of taking the class out of the classroom and into America
is
brilliant!
Matt H.
calls it "soppy with emotionalism."
Isn't this the same
discussion
that's been going on about the Beats and their sentimentality.
Professor
Brinkley is also a great poet. I still
ahev my poster from Ron
Whitehead
(thanx Ron, wherever you are!) hanging on my wall: "Deydrated
Dawns
at Cafe du Monde."
Speaking
of Douglas Brinkley, a friend of mine just called him the other
day, he
won't be back until Monday (must be in NY planning the diary
excerpts,
but my friend and I are trying to
start
an open-mike poetry series here in the Crescent City. I can't wait!
a ball
of excitement,
-matt
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>
Anyone know anything about this?
>
> Is
Brinkley the literary executor?
>
Brinkley
is currently writing the "authorized" biography of Kerouac, and
is also
editing Kerouac's journals for publication.
In addition, because
of Ann
Charters schedule committments, apparently he may take her place
and
edit the second volume of Kerouac letters.
Apparently,
John Sampas mustbe a big fan of Brinkley.
I guess he read
"Majic
Bus" *shrug*
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I know
something about the "writing/typing" story. In 1958,
Truman
Capote and Norman Mailer appeared together on David
Susskind's
new Open End TV show. Talk shows were
in their
infancy
then. Capote, then a ten year veteran
of the literary
wars,
was jealous of the sturm and drang created by the appearance
of OTR
and the Beats. Having heard the story
that Kerouac typed
the
book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
the
book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile. The
Press
was looking for an excuse to dismiss the Beats. Within a couple
of
years, the beat generation was out of the newspapers and Capote had
played
his angle to help bring it about. Of course, the whole counter
cultural
idea reemerged by 1965 and the rest is history.
Mike
Rice
At
04:39 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At
12:48 PM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I
saw this posted at the New York Times web site. They have a forum on
>>Kerouac
going. The topic is "Kerouac:
Writer or Typist" And the opening
>>question
is "Truman Capote once said that Jack Kerouac's prose wasn't
>>writing,
but typing. Dig it?".
>>
>>Someone
called ermoore with an e-mail address of erm@mail.utexas.edu
>>provided
some interesting info. He (or she)
wrote:
>>
>>
>> For anyone interested in a glimpse
of Kerouac's
>>never-before-available
road diaries, check out The
>> New Yorker in the coming weeks. Kerouac's literary executor,
>>Douglas
Brinkley (author of The
>> Majic Bus and editor of Hunter S.
Thompson's recently published
>>early
correspondence The Proud
>> Highway, among other things), is going
to edit and publish this
>>epic
journal and will be offering
>> a few excerpts from the diaries in
an upcoming issue of The New
>>Yorker.
>>
>>
>>
>>Anyone
know anything about this?
>>
>>Is
Brinkley the literary executor?
>>
>NO. John Sampas, Jack's brother in law, is the
Executor of The Estate of
>Jack
Kerouac.
>
> -Jon
>
>
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From: Jorgiana S Jake
<jorgiana@U.ARIZONA.EDU>
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>
Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
> to
take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
>
Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
> A
special day, families are long for getting together,
>
travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
> as
a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
> A
hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
>
Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
>
last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
>
and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused
> if
you wanta take a ride to Moon.
>
> JK
was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
>
from Gothenburg to Cheyenne
>
under cold shining star
> he
bought boys on the truck whisky
>
"You can have a couple of shots!", boy
>
>
Now,in warm moonlight
>
folks on the list
>
would receive the old Chinese feeling
>
and a piece of mooncake
>
digitally
>
>
Ciao
>
>
Yan
> We
share the Moon.
Yan
A
lovely way of putting what many of us felt last night. Here in the
desert,
the moon looked larger than I've ever seen it.
Nice to know that
although
we love our little electronic worlds, we still poke our heads
out now
and then.
Jorgiana>
**************
You can always tell a Texan, but not much.***************
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At
08:59 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I
know something about the "writing/typing" story. In 1958,
>Truman
Capote and Norman Mailer appeared together on David
>Susskind's
new Open End TV show. Talk shows were
in their
>infancy
then. Capote, then a ten year veteran
of the literary
>wars,
was jealous of the sturm and drang created by the appearance
>of
OTR and the Beats. Having heard the
story that Kerouac typed
>the
book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>the
book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile. The
>Press
was looking for an excuse to dismiss the Beats. Within a couple
>of
years, the beat generation was out of the newspapers and Capote had
>played
his angle to help bring it about. Of course, the whole counter
>cultural
idea reemerged by 1965 and the rest is history.
>
>Mike
Rice
Teletype
paper. Teletype paper. Teletype paper. You can't type on toilet
paper -
it's too thin; it would tear. I've
always heard Jack say he wrote
on
Teletype paper.
-Jon
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Subject: Re: R: 36th anniversary on terra firma
In a
message dated 97-09-16 13:12:22 EDT, dufour@ULISSE.IT writes:
<<
Happy birthday David !!!
Ciao !
Francesco
>>
Belated
wishes to you......
one
soundtrack playing the mekons...
another, throbbing gristle......
s/e/
i love
the sound track threat..........
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Subject: Re: bardo
In a
message dated 97-09-16 10:03:24 EDT, nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA (Neil
Hennessy)
writes:
<< Saturday September 20
> Bardo is a tibetan buddist
tradition. Approximately 49 days after
> death.
>
images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
> p
>
What is this about? What's being burned? And
why? Please explain.
>>
me too,
me too, yea, I want to know....
burn me
if you must.......
s.e.
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>From
the Kerouac Quarterly:
Douglas
Brinkley will have published a biography of Jimmy Carter. Look for
him in
the future to be involved with some major Kerouac projects which I am
not at
liberty to say right now until he is positively contractually obligated.
More in
the future on The Kerouac Quarterly Web Page to be found at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/upstartcrow/page1.html
>
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From: "R. Bentz Kirby"
<bocelts@SCSN.NET>
Organization:
Law Office of R. Bentz Kirby
Subject: Death stalking around my
door/long/true/personal
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I
received a phone call tonight that two of my "friends" from high
school
died last week. I say friends in quotes
because only one was a
friend,
the other was at best a rival. They
lived entirely different
lifes. The woman, who was my friend, was called the
essence of
womanhood
by our eighth grade social studies teacher, was cheerleader
etc.,
was a counselor, married to a Presbyterian minister, and had the
requisite
two lovely children. On the other hand,
apparently, she was
anorexic
(sp?) and depressed, and committed suicide.
Very tragic to
know
how the illness is still not understood and how she could not have
been
helped.
The
other a male, was the "bad kid" in high school, and when I last saw
him he
was mainlining speed, lsd (couldn't get off on orange sunshine
without
running it up) and heroin. Once, I
talked him down from a trip
where
he was burning in hell. When I got him
oriented, he laughed, said
that
was fun, and wanted to do it again. I
tried to never be in his
presence
again after that. He went on a killing
spree in a supermarket
in
Texas and was in "the big house."
When his father died, his step
mother
moved to Texas and married him in prison.
But in the end, he
redeemed
himself. In prison, he heard that
someone had killed some
children. He snitched the man, and they apparently
solved several
murders
of children. He was under
"protection" in the Texas system and
died of
sudden congestive heart failure.
Whatever.
Yesterday,
I got some very disheartening personal news.
As I was
driving
home with my three children and they were yelling and fighting I
felt
like I might just lose it. It seemed so
hopeless. But I looked at
the
three of them and realized that the only thing that matters is
loving
them so well. Any thoughts of
"running away" were dissipated.
Tonight
a friend of mine called with some ideas that might solve some of
the
problems I ran into yesterday. Maybe it
will work out in a positive
way.
I chose
to avoid the way my male friend went some 27 years ago, and am
glad I
did. But, he did some good in the
end. He gave some closure to
some
parents. I envied what I knew of
"Essence" and always had
bemoaned
the fact that I had not been able to be like her. But, I just
didn't
know. (Richard Cory in real life
here). Life is a funny thing.
I
suppose there is a novel, short story and a poem in the middle of all
that.
What
sadness, what hope, what tragedy, what redemption, what life is
this
and does it just go spinning off into space?
There is meaning?
There
is hope? There are children. Jimi Hendrix said once, we got to
tell
our children the truth. So that is my
truth right now from
Columbia
SC from a man who is tired and pondering, but I ain't giving up
man.
No, I am not giving up. This kinda of
puts things in perspective
real
well. I figure we all got some story
like this at some time or
another. If we just live long enought, eh?
>From
the heart, to my cyber friends on the beat list and the Hendrix
list,
and if you pray, I could use a few right now.
I think Dylan said,
"If
there's an original thought out there, I could use it right now."
Peace,
--
Bentz
bocelts@scsn.net
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
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R.
Bentz Kirby wrote:
>
> I
received a phone call tonight that two of my "friends" from high
>
school died last week. I say friends in
quotes because only one was a
>
friend, the other was at best a rival.
They lived entirely different
>
lifes. The woman, who was my friend,
was called the essence of
>
womanhood by our eighth grade social studies teacher, was cheerleader
>
etc., was a counselor, married to a Presbyterian minister, and had the
>
requisite two lovely children. On the
other hand, apparently, she was
>
anorexic (sp?) and depressed, and committed suicide. Very tragic to
>
know how the illness is still not understood and how she could not have
>
been helped.
>
>
The other a male, was the "bad kid" in high school, and when I last
saw
>
him he was mainlining speed, lsd (couldn't get off on orange sunshine
>
without running it up) and heroin.
Once, I talked him down from a trip
>
where he was burning in hell. When I
got him oriented, he laughed, said
>
that was fun, and wanted to do it again.
I tried to never be in his
>
presence again after that. He went on a
killing spree in a supermarket
> in
Texas and was in "the big house." When his father died, his step
>
mother moved to Texas and married him in prison. But in the end, he
>
redeemed himself. In prison, he heard
that someone had killed some
>
children. He snitched the man, and they
apparently solved several
>
murders of children. He was under
"protection" in the Texas system and
>
died of sudden congestive heart failure.
Whatever.
>
>
Yesterday, I got some very disheartening personal news. As I
was
>
driving home with my three children and they were yelling and fighting I
>
felt like I might just lose it. It
seemed so hopeless. But I looked at
>
the three of them and realized that the only thing that matters is
>
loving them so well. Any thoughts of
"running away" were dissipated.
>
Tonight a friend of mine called with some ideas that might solve some of
>
the problems I ran into yesterday.
Maybe it will work out in a positive
>
way.
>
> I
chose to avoid the way my male friend went some 27 years ago, and am
>
glad I did. But, he did some good in
the end. He gave some closure to
>
some parents. I envied what I knew of
"Essence" and always had
>
bemoaned the fact that I had not been able to be like her. But, I just
>
didn't know. (Richard Cory in real life
here). Life is a funny thing.
> I
suppose there is a novel, short story and a poem in the middle of all
>
that.
>
>
What sadness, what hope, what tragedy, what redemption, what life is
>
this and does it just go spinning off into space? There is meaning?
>
There is hope? There are children. Jimi Hendrix said once, we got to
>
tell our children the truth. So that is
my truth right now from
>
Columbia SC from a man who is tired and pondering, but I ain't giving up
>
man. No, I am not giving up. This kinda
of puts things in perspective
>
real well. I figure we all got some
story like this at some time or
>
another. If we just live long enought,
eh?
>
>
>From the heart, to my cyber friends on the beat list and the Hendrix
>
list, and if you pray, I could use a few right now. I think Dylan said,
>
"If there's an original thought out there, I could use it right now."
>
>
Peace,
> --
>
Bentz
>
bocelts@scsn.net
>
>
http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
hey man
...
desolation
row is tough some days
luckily
there are other days
see you
in tomorrow
i
expect that you should be there
just
ride the waves
through
the
abysses
and
find paths
to make
it easier
the
next time around
whether
it is next week or next life.
Do EZ,
david
rhaesa
salina,
Kansas
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Subject: Re: Saturday in Boulder
The
Boulder Blues Festival is this weekend in Central Park, Arapahoe and 13th
from
11am until 7pm. Free adm. Corey Harris and others playing.
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today
in the bookstore where i work, I had the honor of tearing up the
many
"unsold" copies of SPIN which the burroughs article appeared. Just
to let
everyobe know, this atrocious magazine doesn't sell. Then again,
maybe
if Burroughs was on the cover instead of a little blurb on the
bottom
right corner, more issues would be sold and SPIN would be
obligated
to write a better article on him. I am still recovering
from
the barrage of Princess Diane magazines and biographies that my
co-workers
and i must endure from other publications Thank god Old Bull
Lee
hasn't succumbed to a similar fate.
jason
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On Tue,
16 Sep 1997, Leon Tabory wrote:
>
Howling at the moon
The
moon is a quiet spirit.
Must
get tired of all that howling.
I wave,
shyly.
Once I
looked through the telescope eyepiece so long
I got
moon blindness.
+ -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
Michael R. Brown foosi@global.california.com
+ -- +
-- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- + -- +
o o
o The electrical depths of personality o
o o
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quote...
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Finally,
my chance to make the PhD. pay off...
Somebody
on one of these two lists (I've lost the original post) asked
about a
Blake quatrain and provided the last two lines...
The
quote is from Blake's poem *Eternity*, collected in his *Notebook Poems
and
Fragments *c.* 1789-93*. It's a single
quatrain and can be found on
page
153 of the *Complete Poems*, published by Penquin and edited by Alicia
Ostriker.
It goes,
ETERNITY
He who
binds to himself a joy
Does
the winged life destroy
But he
who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives
in eternity's sun rise
(In the
first draft, Blake had "binds himself to a joy" in line 1; "But
he
who
just kisses..." in line three; and "Lives in an eternal sun
rise" in
the
final line.)
Hope
this helps.
--John
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Pearl
Street,s a good one but Arapahoe's pretty bare (Naropa, housing disembod
ied is
there though)
Check
out broadway and Spruce.
Alison
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On Wed,
17 Sep 1997, Jorgiana S Jake wrote:
>
> Sitting by the Net, guys, have you just looked out of windows
>
> to take an eye on the Moon? It's round and round, right?
>
> Tonight, Sep. 16, 1997, we are celebrating MoonFestival here.
>
> A special day, families are long for getting together,
>
> travelers'd be homesick. Folks take watching Moon
>
> as a great pleasure, wherever they are and however they are going on.
>
> A hope deep in hearts is that family is as round as today's Moon.
>
>
>
> Thus the Moon you see now has received billions of lenient gaze
>
> last few hours. The road connecting Earth and Moon is so busy
>
> and is filled up with affection. You will never be refused
>
> if you wanta take a ride to Moon.
>
>
>
> JK was getting his "the greatest ride in my life"
>
> from Gothenburg to Cheyenne
>
> under cold shining star
>
> he bought boys on the truck whisky
>
> "You can have a couple of shots!", boy
>
>
>
> Now,in warm moonlight
>
> folks on the list
>
> would receive the old Chinese feeling
>
> and a piece of mooncake
>
> digitally
>
>
>
> Ciao
>
>
>
> Yan
>
> We share the Moon.
>
>
Yan
>
> A
lovely way of putting what many of us felt last night. Here in the
>
desert, the moon looked larger than I've ever seen it. Nice to know that
>
although we love our little electronic worlds, we still poke our heads
>
out now and then.
>
>
Jorgiana>
>
>
************** You can always tell a Texan, but not much.***************
>
Jorgiana,
I have
two windows, one open to real world, another to soul. I climb out
the
latter to join this electronic world, and look out of the former
to
watch the Moon.
Yan
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On Wed,
17 Sep 1997, Sean Elias wrote:
> In
a message dated 97-09-16 10:03:24 EDT, nhenness@UWATERLOO.CA (Neil
>
Hennessy) writes:
>
>
<< Saturday September 20
> > Bardo is a tibetan buddist
tradition. Approximately 49 days after
> > death.
> >
images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
> > p
> >
> What is this about? What's being burned? And
why? Please explain.
> >>
> me
too, me too, yea, I want to know....
>
>
burn me if you must.......
>
>
s.e.
>
I
remember some traditions here after all those description of bardo.
It
seems to have something to do every seven days after one's death.
49 days
is seven time seven days, folks from my born county call it
"seven
seven". My father know such things well, but I not. Families
would
burn commoditis the dead used, plus to money for hell. They
think
those "money" would support the dead's afterlife life. :)
Yan
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On Wed,
17 Sep 1997 10:53:58 -0400 Diane De Rooy wrote:
>
From: Diane De Rooy <Ddrooy@AOL.COM>
>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:53:58 -0400
>
Subject: Re: something to SPIN...
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
> To
Tom Harberd--
>
>
Tim Gallaher is not the author of that Burroughs stuff,
but
just one of the
>
respondents to it. The author is Dennis Cooper, and the
article
appears in
>
this month's issue of SPIN magazine.
>
> I
posted the article to the list for comment. All those
who
disagree with
>
Cooper's assessment should also consider writing to SPIN
to
register their
>
complaints formally.
>
Ahh...
Sorry about that (sorry Tim.)
So now
I realise what all the fuss is about the article.
Since
by all sounds SPIN are (in Bill Hick's immortal words)
"Suckers
of satan's cock" I doubt I'll be buying the issue
should
it even appear on this side of the Atlantic.
Still
seems
wierd that Ginsberg got so much media coverage, but
Burroughs
just sank without a sign. Probable
because I was
in
Belize when it happened, but still...
Tom. H.
http://www.uea.ac.uk/~w9624759
"A
Bear of Very Little Brain"
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The
Ginsberg documentary on American Masters
was
very good. I found myself reading along
with
Howl. Ginsberg was a nice fellow and
Howl is
a masterpiece.
Mike
Rice
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Mike
Rice wrote:
>
>
The Ginsberg documentary on American Masters
>
was very good. I found myself reading
along
>
with Howl. Ginsberg was a nice fellow
and
>
Howl is a masterpiece.
>
>
Mike Rice
I
really enjoyed the documentary too.
Near the end, he seemed to read
quite a
bit from Cosmopolitan Greetings. What
really hit me were his
last
words: "Allen Ginsberg warms you: Do not follow my path to
extinction." Does anyone know what poem this is the
ending to?
DC
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from <stutz@DSL.ORG>
The PBS
stations are selling the tape of the broadcast for $29. Contact your l
ocal
pbs station.
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rinaldo:
i have lost the bookmark for your web site. could you or any
one
else getting spammed kindly send the address?
many
thanks
mc
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At
09:04 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>
Anyone know anything about this?
>>
>>
Is Brinkley the literary executor?
>>
>Brinkley
is currently writing the "authorized" biography of Kerouac, and
>is
also editing Kerouac's journals for publication. In addition, because
>of
Ann Charters schedule committments, apparently he may take her place
>and
edit the second volume of Kerouac letters.
>
Brinkley
is indeed writing the authorized biography. He is also editing the
Kerouac
journals which will appear in three separate books over the years.
Ann
Charters is still the editor of the second volume of selected letters.
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The poem is "After Lalon" from
Cosmopolitan Greetings.
Interesting note: in the selected poems
this last stanza is
edited out. It would be interesting to
find out why.
Sean D. Young
syoung@dsw.com
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Mike
Rice wrote:
>
>
The Ginsberg documentary on American Masters
>
was very good. I found myself reading
along
>
with Howl. Ginsberg was a nice fellow
and
>
Howl is a masterpiece.
>
>
Mike Rice
I
really enjoyed the documentary too. Near the end, he seemed to read
quite a
bit from Cosmopolitan Greetings. What
really hit me were his
last
words: "Allen Ginsberg warms you: Do not follow my path to
extinction." Does anyone know what poem this is the
ending to?
DC
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From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: SPIN
Dr.
Adam,
I must
say that I agree with you about the Spin article, but please don't
lump
all of children of gen. X fame into the same category. "Punk" kids
aren't
the only ones who spend their time at coffeehouses. Personally, i find
it a
productive enviornment for poets and kids trying to break from the
traditions
of yore. I go for the open mics, a chance to read my poetry and be
recieved.
Its an intimate atmosphere, hazy and warm. As for the article,
you're
right about ignoring it, but please don't shove kids like me in that
psuedo-intellectual,
post-punk, diseased set simply because we congregate in
coffeehouses.
Thanks, and I really back your opinion save the coffehouse bit,
your
insight has value.
Thank you
again,
~~Marlene
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Subject: Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
I saw
the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
As some
of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
15-20
minutes edited from the original film.
The most priceless portion
of the
entire film wasn't shown on PBS. The
scene involved AG chanting
and
playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally
into
his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled
AG on
the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
interact.
Denis
Alcock
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FYI:
This Blake poem is on the plaque outside
the
Allen Ginsberg library at Naropa.
I also read a Dylan interview by Jonathan
Cott
(from Rolling Stone 1978) where Dylan
quotes
this poem and mentions that Ginsberg was
always quoting that poem to him.
SDY
syoung@dsw.com
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Finally,
my chance to make the PhD. pay off...
Somebody
on one of these two lists (I've lost the original post) asked
about a
Blake quatrain and provided the last two lines...
The
quote is from Blake's poem *Eternity*, collected in his *Notebook Poems
and
Fragments *c.* 1789-93*. It's a single
quatrain and can be found on
page
153 of the *Complete Poems*, published by Penquin and edited by Alicia
Ostriker.
It
goes,
ETERNITY
He who
binds to himself a joy
Does
the winged life destroy
But he
who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives
in eternity's sun rise
(In the
first draft, Blake had "binds himself to a joy" in line 1; "But
he
who
just kisses..." in line three; and "Lives in an eternal sun
rise" in
the
final line.)
Hope
this helps.
--John
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From: Marlene Giraud <M84M79@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Death stalking around my
door/long/true/personal
A friend of mine died this summer, real freak
accident, got hit by the back
door of
a truck as she walking alongside the road. Hadn't talked to her in
about a
year. I was worried about her she'd dropped out of college was into a
lot of
drugs, but i had the insane notion that i might eventually run into
her or
call her sometime. then, poof she dies. put a lot into perspective for
me. i
don't have any children (of my own) to look at for answers, but i am so
more
aware of my own mortality. i can admit
that it scares me. there's a
poem in
that too. i wrote a kind of elegy for my friend and dived deep into
Ginsberg's
elegies for Neal Cassady for support as well as inspiration and
guidance.
They are so touching and haunting and sad. I guess the only thing
we can
do is celebrate life because we haven't died yet. Grab onto to things,
"share
the moon" like Yan said. We can all share tragedy as well, thats why
we're
human.
I have
so many things I wished i'd said to her or i'd wished i'd done, but
the
bottomline is its real, and it could happen to me or somebody else i
love.
but, i can't live everyday afraid, so i'll delight in the little
nothings;
a cigarette with a cup of coffee,the way the sky looks before it
rains,
full moons, my little brother's goofy faces, life in general. I'll
hold it
along with the memory of my friend.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Marlene~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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At
09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I
saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>As
some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>15-20
minutes edited from the original film.
The most priceless portion
>of
the entire film wasn't shown on PBS.
The scene involved AG chanting
>and
playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally
>into
his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled
>AG
on the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
>interact.
>
>
>Denis
Alcock
>
Is
there a way we can get ahold of the full footage. Is the footage you
are
referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
-Jon
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The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
from my local art theatre/video place.
It does have the Buckley footage.
Note:
When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
It was great.
Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
SDY
syoung@dsw.com
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At
09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I
saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre. >As
some of
you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about >15-20
minutes
edited from the original film. The most
priceless portion >of the
entire
film wasn't shown on PBS. The scene
involved AG chanting >and
playing
his organ on the William F. Buckley show.
AG was totally >into
his
chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG on
the
program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.
>
>
>Denis
Alcock
>
Is
there a way we can get ahold of the full footage. Is the footage you
are
referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
-Jon
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KEEp THE RED FlaG FLYIng
Only Charles Bukowski could do it.
Burroughs?
Kerouac?
No more!
BookList?
WE HAVE ONLY B U K O W S K I!!!
Only Charles Bukowski could do it.
Workers! Save The Workers!!!
Burroughs?
Kerouac?
No more!!!
ONLY BUKOWSKI!!!
Save The Factory!
ONLY BUKOWSKY FOR SALE!!!
(even if Bukowski
seems artaud,
or celine)
THIS IS A PROLETARIAN.
ONE OF US! SAVE OUR LIFE!!!
Only Charles Bukowski could do it.
Rinaldo.
18th
sep 1997
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I've
seen the video at Blockbuster. I assume
it is unedited.
Denis
Alcock
>
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>
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>
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Allen Ginsberg
>
> At
09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>
>As some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was
>
about
>
>15-20 minutes edited from the original film. The most priceless
>
portion
>
>of the entire film wasn't shown on PBS.
The scene involved AG
>
chanting
>
>and playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally
>
>into his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had
>
scheduled
>
>AG on the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
>
>interact.
>
>
>
>
>
>Denis Alcock
>
>
> Is
there a way we can get ahold of the full footage. Is the footage
>
you
>
are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh
>
special?
>
>
>
-Jon
>
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Fellow
Beat-l'ers,
Man,
it's been a long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my
relatively
quiet lurk status. . . absorbing the
wonderful conversations
that
fill this list. Thank you All!
You
might want to check your local library for the full version of "The
Life
& Times of Allen Ginsberg."
I've checked out the copy my library has
about
15 times since I found out they had it.
I wouldn't be surprised if
other
libs have it stocked on their shelves. . .
Has
anyone partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies? Is there one
particular
one that out shines the rest? I'd like
to see him move and
speak
and be alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.
It's
funny, I purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months
ago. One of them kicks ass, the other is
so-so. The thing is, neither of
them
show him speaking. The better of the
two has a short sound bite of
him
doing a voice over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.
If
anyone knows of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love
to
barter with you for a copy. . .
Until
the spirit moves me again,
Bruce
bwhartmanjr@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation
P.S. HELLO, Senor Tabory!
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>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
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>
Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 1:15 PM
>
> The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
>
> Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
>
> you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
> 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
> This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
> from my local art theatre/video place.
> It does have the Buckley footage.
> Note:
> When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
> Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
> basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
> It was great.
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
> SDY
> syoung@dsw.com
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>
>
> At
09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>As
>
some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>15-20
>
minutes edited from the original film.
The most priceless portion >of
the
>
entire film wasn't shown on PBS. The
scene involved AG chanting >and
>
playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally >into
>
his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG
on
>
the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.
>
>
>
>
>
>Denis Alcock
>
>
> Is
there a way we can get ahold of the full footage. Is the footage you
>
are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
>
>
>
-Jon
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Check out "Whatever happened to
Kerouac". this is a must-see.
It shows the Steve Allen appearence in
all of it's glory.
Very good.
SDY
syoung@dsw.com
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Fellow
Beat-l'ers,
Man,
it's been a long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my
relatively
quiet lurk status. . . absorbing the
wonderful conversations
that
fill this list. Thank you All!
You
might want to check your local library for the full version of "The
Life
& Times of Allen Ginsberg."
I've checked out the copy my library has
about
15 times since I found out they had it.
I wouldn't be surprised if
other
libs have it stocked on their shelves. . .
Has
anyone partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies? Is there one
particular
one that out shines the rest? I'd like
to see him move and
speak
and be alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.
It's
funny, I purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months
ago. One of them kicks ass, the other is
so-so. The thing is, neither of
them
show him speaking. The better of the
two has a short sound bite of
him
doing a voice over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.
If
anyone knows of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love
to
barter with you for a copy. . .
Until
the spirit moves me again,
Bruce
bwhartmanjr@iname.com
http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation
P.S. HELLO, Senor Tabory!
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>
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>
Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 1:15 PM
>
> The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
>
> Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
>
> you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
> 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
> This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
> from my local art theatre/video place.
> It does have the Buckley footage.
> Note:
> When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
> Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
> basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
> It was great.
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
> SDY
> syoung@dsw.com
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Date: 9/18/97 12:50 PM
>
>
> At
09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>As
>
some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>15-20
>
minutes edited from the original film.
The most priceless portion >of
the
>
entire film wasn't shown on PBS. The
scene involved AG chanting >and
>
playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally >into
>
his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled >AG
on
>
the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes >interact.
>
>
>
>
>
>Denis Alcock
>
>
> Is
there a way we can get ahold of the full footage. Is the footage you
>
are referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
>
>
>
-Jon
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11:15 AM 9/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
> The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg:
>
> Produced and Directed by Jerry Aronson
>
> you can purchase a copy from First Run
Features by calling
> 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
> This is the one that was shown in
theaters, I have rented it
> from my local art theatre/video place.
> It does have the Buckley footage.
> Note:
> When I was at the Ginsberg tribute at
Naropa in '94
> Jerry Aronson showed out-takes from the
film which was
> basically the extended Ginsberg and
Burroughs dialogue.
> It was great.
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
> SDY
> syoung@dsw.com
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I
received a copy of a catalog from the old 1800Kerouac bookstore in CA. I
believe
it has changed its name to Fog City Books.
You can find it on the
web to
get the phone. _Pull My Daisy_ was in
the catolog for 39.95 plus
shipping
and all. That was in May and they said
they had limited copies.
I
didn't have enough money to pay for it so I didn't. I don't know if its
still
available.
-Jon
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Today
as I stood in my hometown's major used bookstore, I faced a literary
feast. Last night the proprietor called to let me
know that he had just
purchased
a fairly large collection of Beat literature.
So today, as the
store
opened, I stood in front of a selection of first edition Kerouac's,
Burroughs,
and Ginsberg (1). Needless to say, I
couldn't afford any of
the
first ed.s. Ouch!
Anyhow,
I ended up purchasing many first or second printing paperbacks.
I know
that some of you must have experienced the dismay that I felt this
morning,
while glancing at some of the Kerouac covers.
For instance, my
edition
of
Maggie Cassidy looks like the cover of a Harlequin novel. Granted, the
publishers
wanted to sell books, and so did Kerouac, but it seems to me
that
the cover alone could have detracted from the serious literary
contribution
he had to make. In other words, the
"hippies" were
purchasing
the books, not the professors. Perhaps
that was how Jack
wanted
it.
As a
disclaimer, I would like to add that I used the term "hippie" in
reference
to a complaint that Jack once made.
Sorry, I can't remember the
source,
but it was something to the effect that all the rich college kids
were
buying (Salinger or Capote's?) hardbacks, while only "hippies" were
buying
his paperbacks.
Do any
of you have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works
by
tawdry sex covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been
hashed
out in the past.)
Jenn Thompson
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Why I choose Black Men for My Lovers by La Loca
Acid today
is trendy entertainment
but in 1967
Eating it was eucharistic
and made us fully visionary
My girlfriend and I used to get
cranked up
and we'd land in
The Haight
and oh yeah
The Black Guys Knew Who We
Were
But the white boys were stupid
I started out in San Fernando
My unmarried mother did not
abort me
because Tijuana was unaffordable
They stuffed me in a crib of
invisibility
I was bottle-fed germicides
and aspirin
My nannies were cathode tubes
I reached adolescence, anyway
Thanks to Bandini and
sprinklers
In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane
and I got real
I saw Mother Earth and Big
Brother
and
I clipped my roots which
chocked in the
concrete
of Sunset Boulevard
to go with my girlfriend
from Berkeley to San Francisco
hitchhiking
and we discovered
that Spades were groovy
and
White boys were mass-produced
and
watered their lawns
artificially with long
green hoses in
West L.A.
There I was, in Avalon Ballroom
in vintage pink satin,
buckskin and
patchouli
pioneering the sexual
revolution
I used to be the satyr's moll,
half-woman
and in pink satin hung
loose about me
like an intention
I ate lysergic for breakfast, lunch
and
dinner
I was a dead-end in the
off-limits of
The Establishment
and morality was open
to interpretation
In my neighborhood, if you fucked
around, you were a whore
But I was an emigree, now
I watched the planeloads of
white boys fly
up from Hamilton High
They were the vanguard
of the Revolution
They stepped off the plane
in threadbare work
shirts
with rolled-up sleeves
and a Shell Oil, a
Bankamericar,
a mastercharge in
their back pocket
with their father's
name on it
Planeloads of Revolutionaries
For matins, they quoted
Marcuse and Huey Newton
For vespers, they instructed
young girls from
San Fernando to
Fuck Everybody
To not comply, was fascist
I watched the planeloads of white boys
fly up from Hamilton High
All the boys from my high school were
shipped to
Vietnam
And I was in Berkeley, screwing little
white boys
who were remonstrating for
peace
In bed, the pusillanimous hands of war protestors
taught me Marxist
philosophy:
Our neighborhoods are a life
sentence
This was their balling stage
and they
were politicians
I was an apparition with
orifices
I knew they were insurance
salesmen in their
hearts
And they would all die of
attacks
I went down on them anyway,
because I had
consciousness
Verified by my intake of acid
I was no peasant!
I went down on little white
boys and
they filled my head with
Communism
They informed me that poor
people didn't have
money and were
oppressed
Some people were Black and
Chicano
Some women even had
illegitimate children
Meanwhile, my thighs were
bloodthirsty
whelps
and could never get enough of
anything
and those little communists were
stingy
I was seventeen
and wanted to see the world
My flowering was chemical
I cut my teeth on promiscuity
and medicine
I stepped through more
windowpanes
and it really got
oracular
In 1968
One night
The shaman laid some holy shit on me
and wow
I knew
in 1985
The world would still be
white, germicidially
white
That the ethos of affluence
was an indelible
white boy trait
like blue eyes
That Volkswagons would be
traded in for
Ferraris
and would be driven
with the same
snotty pluck that
sniveled around
the doors of Fillmore, looking cool
I knew those guys, I knew them when
they had posters of
Che Guevara over their bed
They all had poster of Che
Guevara over
their bed
And I looked into Che's black eyes all
night while I lay in
those beds,
ignored
Now these guys have names on doors on
the 18th floor of
towers in Encino
They have ex-wives and dope
connections.
Even my girlfriend married a condo
owner in Van Nuys.
In proper white Marxist theoretician
nomenclature, I was
a tramp.
The rich girls were called
"liberated."
I was a female for San Fernando
and the San Francisco Black
Men and I
had a lot in common
Eyes, for example
dilated
with the opacity of "fuck
you"
I saw them and they saw me
We didn't need an
ophthalmologist to get it on
We laid each other on a
foundation of
visibility
and our fuck
was no hypothesis
Now that I was worldly
I wanted to correct
the nervous blue eyes who flew
up from
Brentwood
to see Hendrix
but
when I stared into them
They always lost focus
and got lighter and lighter
and
No wonder Malcolm called them Devils.
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>Do
any of you have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works
>by
tawdry sex covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been
>hashed
out in the past.)
>Jenn
Thompson
END SNIP-OROONEY
I, for one, like them. You have to consider the times, the target,
and the companies involved. The Subterraneans cover (one of my
favorites) looks like it should, a dime
store novel--a la Junkie and
Queer (excellent "trashy"
covers as well--and befitting it's theme.
Kitsch, trash, whatever you call, it was
"sensational" then and it's
nostalgic now.
I am, and will always be a Kerouac fan,
he was a literary pioneer, one
of the best writers (IMVHO) that ever
lived, a giant. He was not;
however, ever marketed as such. Like Celine, Jack wrote for the
masses, not for the critics--I actually
believe that Jack stuck to his
vision (with notable exceptions) and
wrote for himself.
love and tawdry lilies,
matt h.
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MATT
HANNAN wrote:
>
> SNIP-OROONEY The Subterraneans cover (one of my
> favorites) looks like it should, a dime
store novel--a la Junkie and
> Queer (excellent "trashy"
covers as well--and befitting it's theme.
> Kitsch, trash, whatever you call, it was
"sensational" then and it's
> nostalgic now.
Speaking
of Dimestores, i got a paperback copy (not 1st edition) of
Desolation
Angels at Goodwill today for a dime.
dbr
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At
01:43 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Fellow
Beat-l'ers,
>
>Man,
it's been a long time since I've posted here, have been enjoying my
>relatively
quiet lurk status. . . absorbing the
wonderful conversations
>that
fill this list. Thank you All!
>
>You
might want to check your local library for the full version of "The
>Life
& Times of Allen Ginsberg."
I've checked out the copy my library has
>about
15 times since I found out they had it.
I wouldn't be surprised if
>other
libs have it stocked on their shelves. . .
>
>Has
anyone partaken of the various Kerouac video biographies? Is there one
>particular
one that out shines the rest? I'd like
to see him move and
>speak
and be alive for a few moments, if only on my television screen.
>
>It's
funny, I purchased a couple of Coltrane documentaries a few months
>ago. One of them kicks ass, the other is
so-so. The thing is, neither of
>them
show him speaking. The better of the
two has a short sound bite of
>him
doing a voice over as he plays, but no shots of him actually talking.
>If
anyone knows of any footage or HAS any footage of him talking, I'd love
>to
barter with you for a copy. . .
>
>Until
the spirit moves me again,
>
>Bruce
>bwhartmanjr@iname.com
>http://www.geocities.com/~tranestation
>
>P.S. HELLO, Senor Tabory!
>
Ive got
a copy of the John Antonelli video from Mystic Fire and its pretty
good,
it's got some live footage of JK and other commentary by AG and other
beats. It's about 70 minutes long and sells for
around 30.00 dollars.
Call
them or write back to the list.
-Jon
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I
started out in San Fernando
My unmarried mother did not
abort me
because Tijuana was
unaffordable
They stuffed me in a crib of
invisibility
I was bottle-fed germicides
and aspirin
My nannies were cathode tubes
I reached adolescence, anyway
Thanks to Bandini and
sprinklers
In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane
and I got real
I saw Mother Earth and Big
Brother
i love
these metaphors and images. so real. i too was stuffed in a crib
of
invisibility, tvs were my nannies, and i too stepped through that
windowpane(wonderful
word play).
thanks
for the pome of the day, rinaldo
mc
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I saw
The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
last night on PBS. It was great.
I
especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
me new
insights into this poem. Does anyone
know where I could get an audio
recording
of Kaddish?
Aaron
F. Sinkovich
sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
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I love
those trashy covers. In fact, I've sent
one to Paul Maher to post on th
e
Kerouac Quarterly web site. Look
forward to a wonderful cover from a British
edition of Tristessa.
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Aaron
Sinkovich wrote:
>
> I
saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
last night on PBS. It was great.
> I
especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
> me
new insights into this poem. Does
anyone know where I could get an audio
>
recording of Kaddish?
>
>
Aaron F. Sinkovich
>
sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
60
minute version in the four CD boxset
"Allen
Ginsberg, Holy Soul Jelly Roll Poems and Songs 1949-1993"
produced
by Hal Willner
Rhino/Wordbeat
dbr
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aaron
as far
as i know the only (??) complete recorded versionof "kaddish" is on
AG's
_holy soul jelly roll_ box set (available on CD and cassette) and
"kaddish"
alone runs around 60 minutes
hope
that helps
derek
On Thu,
18 Sep 1997, Aaron Sinkovich wrote:
>
> I
saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
last night on PBS. It was great.
> I
especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
> me
new insights into this poem. Does
anyone know where I could get an audio
>
recording of Kaddish?
>
>
>
Aaron F. Sinkovich
>
sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
>
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At
03:48 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I
saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
last night on PBS. It was great.
>I
especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
>me
new insights into this poem. Does
anyone know where I could get an audio
>recording
of Kaddish?
>
>
>Aaron
F. Sinkovich
>sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
>
There
is a 4CD box set of Allen reciting his poetry.
It includes Kaddish
and
Howl and many others. I believe on two
of he discs Bob Dylan plays in
the
back. Though I'm not sure if the Dylan
albums with Ginsberg are the
same as
these. The box set sells for around
50.00 dollars.
-Jon
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Dear
Aaron, (and beat list)
I saw
special last night, blown away, what a great poet!
My
company Words on Wheels
distributes
poetry recordings
We have
Kaddish on
Holy
Soul Jelly Roll (Rhino Records)
It's a
4 CD set
Kaddish
length is listed as 63:24
also
has Howl
includes
booklet
with
photos and track by track
commentary
by Ginsberg.
List
price in stores is 49.98
Special
beat list price
including
shipping, handling,
and tax
is 40.00
you may
pay by credit card
or if
you prefer
I will
send it to you COD
if you
have any questions
you can
reach me during the day
at
415.892.0158
or at
home 415.221.6197
Gary
Glazner
Words
on Wheels
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On Wed,
17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
> of
OTR and the Beats. Having heard the
story that Kerouac typed
>
the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>
the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.
Was
this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission?
I
couldn't
see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
paper,
as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
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At
04:56 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On
Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
>
>>
of OTR and the Beats. Having heard the
story that Kerouac typed
>>
the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>>
the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.
>
>Was
this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission?
I
>couldn't
see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>paper,
as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
>
Ive
always heard that he typed OTR as he typed many of his ms on teletype
paper
from the begining and that the toilet paper story is
misinterpretation. I could be wrong.
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Jonathan
Pickle wrote:
>
> At
11:15 AM 9/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
> The Life and Times of Allen
Ginsberg:
>
>
>
> Produced and Directed by Jerry
Aronson
>
>
>
> you can purchase a copy from
First Run Features by calling
>
> 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
>
> This is the one that was shown
in theaters, I have rented it
>
> from my local art theatre/video
place.
>
> It does have the Buckley
footage.
>
> Note:
>
> When I was at the Ginsberg
tribute at Naropa in '94
>
> Jerry Aronson showed out-takes
from the film which was
>
> basically the extended Ginsberg and Burroughs dialogue.
>
> It was great.
>
> Also saw "Pull my
Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?
>
>
>
> SDY
>
> syoung@dsw.com
>
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>
> I
received a copy of a catalog from the old 1800Kerouac bookstore in CA. I
>
believe it has changed its name to Fog City Books. You can find it on the
>
web to get the phone. _Pull My Daisy_
was in the catolog for 39.95 plus
>
shipping and all. That was in May and
they said they had limited copies.
> I
didn't have enough money to pay for it so I didn't. I don't know if its
>
still available.
>
>
-Jon
I just
got back from Borders Bookstore here in Indianapolis and I
ordered
a copy of "What Happened to Kerouac?" for $69.95 directly from
the
video company. I hear it's a very good
flick and it came highly
recommended
as opposed to the all-actors "Kerouac."
Eric
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Subject: Re: something to SPIN...
Diane
& Co.:
Before
I could vent my utter disgust at the (both mercifully and insultingly)
brief
article by Dennis Cooper in SPIN, I was
Beaten to it, the List was
already
inflamed with righteously indignant responses.
Howard Park put it
succinctly
in its place as the pitiful product of "....just one guy musing
about
his poorly formed impressions rather than anything resembling
journalism". I won't preach to the choir, many List
members have already
detailed
the infinite distance between this throwaway blurb and the true
extent
and significance of WSB's achievements.
Real constructive criticism
based
on a thorough knowledge of what is being criticized is one thing, WSB's
life
and work are not above that, he spent his life in the arena and lived
long
enough to see the deepest extremes of revulsion and admiration in
reaction
to his actions and words. But this kind
of clueless criticism is
inexcusable,
it would have been better to print nothing, to paraphrase
Timothy
Hoffman. Through it all, he remained "100% himself", as Sean Young
pointed
out. The phrase "come or go....the dead and the junky don't care",
from
NAKED LUNCH, comes to mind. That is his
answer to "I suspect even he
didn't
know why he was famous anymore", he NEVER CARED IN THE FIRST PLACE and
quietly
progressed on his path, for the benefit of those willing to take the
time
and effort to understand his ingenious use (and usurpation) of language
and
appreciate his profound humor, imagination and wisdom. He was
indifferent
to the cult hoopla that surrounded him, especially in his later
years. I could see this myself when I visited
him. All of that will largely
fall
away, leaving his works to speak for him and stand the test of time.
The
shame of such an article is that, in our media-sodden, history-less and
disposable
society, it will be the first, and unfortunately in some cases
last,
impression that some young readers will have of WSB. Hopefully,
readers
who are introduced to him through this dismissive little piece of
junkfood
journalism will not be discouraged, and go further to see for
themselves
what he was really all about.
"SMASH
THE CONTROL IMAGES"
Regards,
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Thought
someone might find this interesting.
This review comes from a
British
mag called The Face. Don't know the
year it was reviewed or if
The
Face is still around.
Pg.
24 CINEMA
"As
literary biographies go, the movie-collage WHAT HAPPENED TO KEROUAC?
(at the
ICA cinema, London SW1 form Oct 9) is a very High School
reunion. But the makers do not shirk their
interrogatory
responsibilities
or pamper the Beat babe, and what emerges is not just a
paunch-and-all
portrait but a cautionary American fable.
Interviewer
(and
co-producer, co-director) Lewis MacAdams has squeezed a spectrum of
blab
from just about every Head sill extant.
(You can play an I Spy
game of
spotting Who's a Casualty of What) Gregory Corso comes across as
an
unashamed souse; Allen Ginsberg still
looping the latest loop;
Kerouac's
first wife Edie insufferable. Of all
the faces William
Burroughs'
is the best preserved; his wits ditto.
Fran Landesman
pre-empts
the film autopsy with her analysis - the good depressive
Catholic
boy couldn't top himself straight off so instigated a long
"slow
suicide" downing the booze, drowning in booze. MacAdams (and
co-director
Richard Lerner) show us the disintegrated, horribly bloated
death's-door
Kerouac upfront. "I got arrested
recently; this policeman
said,
'I'm arresting you for decay'."
The inescapable conclusion is
that
this most celebrated of modern speed nomads never left home. Mom,
the
Church and Decency flapped around his swollen head like bats. He
fell
into his own auto-obituary definition of the Generation he
launched; "You end up Beat, Beaten." Yep, the Elvis Presley of Poetry.
But in the young face you can see the mythic
lure, and in the readings
of his
own work even noon-fans might catch a beat of the over reaching
rhythm
that fired him for a while."
-mark
mark_nigon@mail.campbell-mithun.com
>>>
Eric Macy <rodmacy@IQUEST.NET> 09/18/97 04:27pm >>>
I just
got back from Borders Bookstore here in Indianapolis and I
ordered
a copy of "What Happened to Kerouac?" for $69.95 directly from
the video
company. I hear it's a very good flick
and it came highly
recommended
as opposed to the all-actors "Kerouac."
Eric
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At
12:50 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At
09:28 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>I
saw the documentary about three years ago in a college art theatre.
>>As
some of you who saw the program last night suspect, there was about
>>15-20
minutes edited from the original film.
The most priceless portion
>>of
the entire film wasn't shown on PBS.
The scene involved AG chanting
>>and
playing his organ on the William F. Buckley show. AG was totally
>>into
his chanting and Buckley looked ready to fire whoever had scheduled
>>AG
on the program-- absolutely hilarious watching the two extremes
>>interact.
>>
>>
>>Denis
Alcock
>>
>Is
there a way we can get ahold of the full footage. Is the footage you
>are
referring to included in the advertisement at the end of teh special?
>
>
>
-Jon
>
>
The
documentary this was made from must have had some circulation
as a
videocassette. Perhaps someone like
Home Film Festival is
renting
it for a price. Their phone number to
rent any film for
about
$10 a pop is 800-258-3456. Also, really
large multi-faceted
video
stores in major cities could have it. I
just called HFF. The
original
name of the film is The Life and Times of Allen Ginsberg. Its
82
minutes long, includes the 20 minutes missing from the PBS show, and
can be
rented by establishing credit with Home Film Festival. The film
was
released in 1993. I also saw an
advertisement for something called
Kaddish
in their brochure which could be about Allen's poem. And I
suspect
you can get the Kerouac documentary from these folks too, if
you can
remember the name of it.
Mike
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At
04:56 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On
Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
>
>>
of OTR and the Beats. Having heard the
story that Kerouac typed
>>
the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>>
the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.
>
>Was
this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission?
I
>couldn't
see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>paper,
as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
>
>
Someone
has corrected me on this. It was
actually telegraph paper or an
Associated
Press
roll of connected sheets. I think it
still exists somewhere. Of course,
it must
have been transcribed to some other medium at some point. I think
there
is a touch of legend in the whole story anyway, though I have no doubt
Kerouac
wrote the story out on connected sheets at some point. I am sure other
people
in this group know aspects of this story that I missed.
Mike
Rice
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>Was
this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for submission?
I
>couldn't
see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>paper,
as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
Capote made this statement, as I have
heard, after hearing of Jack's
method of typing on the teletype roll in
a nonstop benny rush. Most
of the biographers I have read made a
point of saying that Jack did
take the teletype roll to Bob Giroux and
display it in a grand
flourish....Giroux reportedly replied
"I can't work with this" which,
some have supposed, meant the teletype
roll but Jack is said to have
taken it as a rejection of the work.
As best I can reckon,
love and lilies,
matt h.
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Subject: Re: Death Stalking.... (my 3rd attempt!)
Listers...
pardon me if this has already gone through, but I'm not getting any
acknowledgements.... ---Wes
-----------------------------------------------
Hey,
Bentz...
Just
wanted to express my sympathy. Seems I
go through something like what
you're
going through every ten years or so.
First was when my grandfather died-
-he'd
been the best friend a troubled surfer kid in San Diego could have through
childhood. His sudden death from pancreatic cancer
devastated me in my third
year of
college and had more to do with my dropping out than I seem willing to
admit. Two weeks later, a close friend I'd known since
9th grade committed
suicide.
About
10 or 11 years later, a musical artist I'd felt an affinity with died at
age 42,
unexpectedly, leaving a young wife and kids without insurance or
protection. A month later, I learned that my mentor
through grad school, a
wonderful
teacher and scholar who took me to dinner to celebrate my successful
defense
of my master's thesis, died in her sleep of a brain hemmorage. The very
next
day, I got a call telling me that two close friends from high school had
both
died. One was a guy who had always
claimed he'd be dead before he was 35.
He
is. The other was a girl I'd dated and
was for many reasons very special to
me,
although I haven't spoken with her in years.
A week later, a guy I worked
with
died in a plane crash-- slammed into the side of a mountain while
sightseeing
in the mountains of Alaska. The weight
of it all seemed unbearable.
The
weight of it all... it's such an apt image.
The inertia of death is a
greater
force than gravity.
Such
times are sobering. I know what you
feel, and your expression of your
feelings
touches me. We're kindred spirits.
Peace,
my friend. Let peace reign supreme in
your heart today.
---Wes
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At
01:00 PM 9/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Today
as I stood in my hometown's major used bookstore, I faced a literary
>feast. Last night the proprietor called to let me
know that he had just
>purchased
a fairly large collection of Beat literature.
So today, as the
>store
opened, I stood in front of a selection of first edition Kerouac's,
>Burroughs,
and Ginsberg (1). Needless to say, I
couldn't afford any of
>the
first ed.s. Ouch!
>
>Anyhow,
I ended up purchasing many first or second printing paperbacks.
>I
know that some of you must have experienced the dismay that I felt this
>morning,
while glancing at some of the Kerouac covers.
For instance, my
>edition
>of
Maggie Cassidy looks like the cover of a Harlequin novel. Granted, the
>publishers
wanted to sell books, and so did Kerouac, but it seems to me
>that
the cover alone could have detracted from the serious literary
>contribution
he had to make. In other words, the
"hippies" were
>purchasing
the books, not the professors. Perhaps
that was how Jack
>wanted
it.
>
>As
a disclaimer, I would like to add that I used the term "hippie" in
>reference
to a complaint that Jack once made. Sorry,
I can't remember the
>source,
but it was something to the effect that all the rich college kids
>were
buying (Salinger or Capote's?) hardbacks, while only "hippies" were
>buying
his paperbacks.
>
>Do
any of you have any thoughts regarding the cheapening of Kerouac works
>by
tawdry sex covers? (I apologize now if this is a thread which has been
>hashed
out in the past.)
>
>Jenn
Thompson
>
>
This is
a subject that interests me. In the
early fifties, the emerging
paperback
houses were putting tawdry covers on classic books. If this
eventually
happened to some of the beat titles, it would be interesting
to see
what prostituted form they took.
Someone ought to publish a book
of
tawdry paperback cover art, by itself.
I have a 1949 copy of Orwell's
1984,
with some Sci-Fi futuristic art on the cover that I think is quite
good
and quite interesting.
Mike
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This is
quite a wonderful little narrative.
Tell me who
this La
Loca is and what she is doing these days?
Mike
Rice
At
07:54 PM 9/18/97 +0200, you wrote:
> Why I choose Black Men for My
Lovers by La Loca
>
> Acid today
> is trendy entertainment
> but in 1967
> Eating it was eucharistic
> and made us fully visionary
>
> My girlfriend and I used to get
cranked up
> and we'd land in
> The Haight
> and oh yeah
> The Black Guys Knew Who We
Were
> But the white boys were stupid
>
> I started out in San Fernando
> My unmarried mother did not abort
me
> because Tijuana was
unaffordable
> They stuffed me in a crib of
invisibility
> I was bottle-fed germicides
and aspirin
> My nannies were cathode tubes
> I reached adolescence, anyway
> Thanks to Bandini and
sprinklers
>
> In 1967 I stepped through a windowpane
> and I got real
> I saw Mother Earth and Big
Brother
> and
> I clipped my roots which
chocked in the
> concrete
> of Sunset Boulevard
> to go with my girlfriend
> from Berkeley to San Francisco
> hitchhiking
> and we discovered
> that Spades were groovy
> and
> White boys were mass-produced
and
> watered their lawns
> artificially with long
green hoses in
> West L.A.
>
> There I was, in Avalon Ballroom
> in vintage pink satin,
buckskin and
> patchouli
> pioneering the sexual
> revolution
> I used to be the satyr's moll,
half-woman
> and in pink satin hung
> loose about me
> like an intention
> I ate lysergic for breakfast, lunch
and
> dinner
> I was a dead-end in the off-limits
of
> The Establishment
> and morality was open
to interpretation
>
> In my neighborhood, if you fucked
around, you were a whore
>
> But I was an emigree, now
> I watched the planeloads of
white boys fly
> up from Hamilton High
> They were the vanguard
> of the Revolution
> They stepped off the plane
> in threadbare work
shirts
> with rolled-up sleeves
> and a Shell Oil, a
Bankamericar,
> a mastercharge in
their back pocket
> with their father's
name on it
> Planeloads of Revolutionaries
> For matins, they quoted
Marcuse and Huey Newton
> For vespers, they instructed
young girls from
> San Fernando to
> Fuck Everybody
> To not comply, was fascist
> I watched the planeloads of white boys
> fly up from Hamilton High
> All the boys from my high school were
shipped to
> Vietnam
> And I was in Berkeley, screwing little
white boys
> who were remonstrating for
peace
> In bed, the pusillanimous
hands of war protestors
> taught me Marxist
philosophy:
> Our neighborhoods are a life
sentence
> This was their balling stage and they
> were politicians
> I was an apparition with
orifices
> I knew they were insurance
salesmen in their
> hearts
> And they would all die of
attacks
> I went down on them anyway,
because I had
> consciousness
> Verified by my intake of acid
> I was no peasant!
> I went down on little white
boys and
> they filled my head with
> Communism
> They informed me that poor
people didn't have
> money and were
oppressed
> Some people were Black and Chicano
> Some women even had
illegitimate children
> Meanwhile, my thighs were
bloodthirsty
> whelps
> and could never get enough of
anything
> and those little communists were stingy
> I was seventeen
> and wanted to see the world
> My flowering was chemical
> I cut my teeth on promiscuity
and medicine
> I stepped through more
windowpanes
> and it really got oracular
> In 1968
> One night
> The shaman laid some holy shit on me
and wow
> I knew
> in 1985
> The world would still be
white, germicidially
> white
> That the ethos of affluence
> was an indelible
> white boy trait
> like blue eyes
> That Volkswagons would be
traded in for
> Ferraris
> and would be driven with the same
> snotty pluck that
sniveled around
> the doors of Fillmore,
looking cool
> I knew those guys, I knew them when
they had posters of
> Che Guevara over their bed
> They all had poster of Che
Guevara over
> their bed
> And I looked into Che's black
eyes all
> night while I lay in
those beds,
> ignored
> Now these guys have names on doors on
the 18th floor of
> towers in Encino
> They have ex-wives and dope
connections.
> Even my girlfriend married a condo
owner in Van Nuys.
>
> In proper white Marxist theoretician
nomenclature, I was
> a tramp.
> The rich girls were called
"liberated."
>
> I was a female for San Fernando
> and the San Francisco Black
Men and I
> had a lot in common
> Eyes, for example
> dilated
> with the opacity of "fuck
you"
> I saw them and they saw me
> We didn't need an
ophthalmologist to get it on
> We laid each other on a
foundation of
> visibility
> and our fuck
> was no hypothesis
>
> Now that I was worldly
> I wanted to correct
> the nervous blue eyes who flew
up from
> Brentwood
> to see Hendrix
> but
> when I stared into them
> They always lost focus
> and got lighter and lighter
> and
> No wonder Malcolm called them Devils.
>
>
>
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>
>
Date: Thursday, September 18, 1997 12:15 PM
> Also saw "Pull my Daisy". Does
anyone know if that is available?
>
Write
to Beat Books, PO Box 5813, Berkeley, CA 94705. I got a copy from
him a
year or so ago.
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I can
picture the columbia scene you find yourself in Bentz. I lived there
for a
while. Loved and married an incredibly talented lyric
soprano/pianist.
We met at Boston University. Me fresh from the Korean War,
she
protected, every need met, lovely, but part of an elite white
population,
maids, all of that. allof that but good, decent people. Future
mother in
law, a gentle dear person, thought I needed a suit. I wouldn't
spend
money on it. Future wife prevailed, "Let mom buy you a simple suit."
I
relented. The next morning the racks to choose from were in the living
room.
Hard to believe how some live.
It was
too much. But, we married. It didn't last. the differences were too
great.
But
during that period, the person that seemed to spend time in my mind,
was
that tiny little women who came out of the
Black back-street Columbia
and
told them all there wasn't anything she couldn't deal with and survive.
She was
tough, talented, a joy to read and to listen too. Eartha Kitt.
Neither
Presidents or whitey could beat her. She was out front, determined
to
survive.
Every
time I read a post from you, from Columbia, wonderful memories rise
up to
warm my soul--sometimes even scortch it. A sumertime Columbia sun had
a way
of doing that. Particularly when wandered that scrub pine sand hill
country
side painting and sketching. The GI Bill didn't pay a Korean vet
much,
but in hindsight I should have followed a couple of comrades to
Mexico
where the living was cheap and the art scene stimulating.
A few
months ago my youngest daughter, a cellist, went to an Eartha Kitt
concert
in Seattle and sought her out backstage--a skill some musicians
have.
Charity told her that she had grown up listening to stories about
Eartha
Kitt, and thanked her for her politics, her music, her soul and her
gonads.
They talked. EK was touched and gracious. My daughter awed--just as
I
always am by sentiment and courage.
I
wonder about you Bentz. Your poetry says so much for you. Some of it
makes
me think: This guy is a lawyer? In Columbia, S.C.? It can't be easy
pal.
For whatever it means to you, I'm impressed. I only know three lawyers
with
the cods to send that post. One of them, a tough sentimental, super
sensitve
tiger, Bill Kunstler, is gone. I sent your post to one of the
others
and he said, "Don't worry. It's those who can't spell it out that
end up
fucked up. He's OK."
I hope
you are.
Peace
and love,
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MATT HANNAN wrote:
>
> Capote made this statement, as I have
heard, after hearing of
>
Jack's
> method of typing on the teletype roll in
a nonstop benny rush.
>
Most
> of the biographers I have read made a
point of saying that Jack
>
did
> take the teletype roll to Bob Giroux and
display it in a grand
> flourish....Giroux reportedly replied
"I can't work with this"
>
which,
> some have supposed, meant the teletype
roll but Jack is said to
>
have
> taken it as a rejection of the work.
This
version of the story is from Joyce Johnson in Minor Characters:
"I'd
heard a lot about Mr. Giroux even before I came to Farrar, Straus.
He was
the editor who had discovered Jack, published The Town and the
City at
Harcourt Brace, and even convinced him to revise and cut it. He
was
someone Jack always spoke about with admiration. 'A great French
gentleman,'
Jack said, who ate only in the best restaurants. Once when
Jack
was a little drunk, he described Giroux cryptically as 'a great
white
panda.' The two of them had a terrible
misunderstanding that went
back
six years, to the day Jack finished On the Road. After typing
nonstop
for two weeks in a great burst of spontaneous energy onto the the
huge
scroll of teletype paper Lucien had given him, Jack had rolled it
all up,
stuck it under his arm, and had taken it immediately to Giroux's
office. There, he'd triumphantly unfurled the whole
thing. 'Here's your
novel!'
But Giroux had evidently not responded in the proper joyous
spirit. Staring in astonishment and dismay at the
river of words
flooding
his office, he'd wondered aloud how it would ever be possible to
rework
it. Affronted, Jack had shouted that
not one word would ever be
changed. He rolled his manscript up, took it away and
never returned.
Although I did reluctantly see
Giroux's side, my
twenty-one-year-old
sympathies were with Jack. The
exuberant, outragous
Jack
whom I'd only seen traces of now and then.
Mad Jack, impossible
Jack. The dark young man rushing out with his
manuscript, rage in his
blue
eyes, walking dazed on the midtown sidewalks where ordinary people
were
going about their business. Jack
Kerouac was his own worst enemy,
anyone
reasonable would have said. He should
have retyped the thing
properly,
double-spaced on fine white bond, then taken it to his editor,
having
made an appointment in advance, having taken into account
editorial
weariness and bleariness of eye, the tupor that comes after
lunch
in the offices of publishers...
He paid for the mistaken afternoon with six years of
rejection
from
editors much less imaginative than Giroux, and in his hurt pride
counted
Giroux among those others who had rejected On the Road. But by
1957,
the quarrel had become enfolded in the benevolence of the past--a
mock-heroic
encounter between the artist/savage and the gentleman. When
I wrote
Jack about my new job, and mentioned meeting his former editor,
he sent
friendly messages to Giroux in the letter he wrote back to me,
just as
if the two of them had never been out of touch."
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fantastic
special last night. what a
lion-heart... and mind. i was
particularly
struck by how even Buckley couldn't resist the force of deep,
honest,
sincere unconditional love for the universe
will
the world be granted another such soul to took his place and keep us
going?
ciao,
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that's
correct, Jon, would be impossible to type on toilet paper anyway and
certainly
would have thwarted the whole notion of being able to type
continuously
without changing the paper - which was the whole point in the
first
place.
ciao,
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the OTR
role is still around, was part of the Beat Exhibition here last year,
unless
i'm grievously mistaken.
ciao,
sherri
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Jo,
You're the fellow who has the sig file
that says something to the effect
of
"Be on the lookout for stolen Kerouac items," correct? Could you e-mail
the
list, or me privately, with a list of the items that were stolen?
Best
regards,
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The
Subterraneans cover (one of my
>
> favorites) looks like it
should, a dime store novel--a la Junkie and
>
> Queer (excellent
"trashy" covers as well--and befitting it's theme.
>
> Kitsch, trash, whatever you
call, it was "sensational" then and it's
>
> nostalgic now.
>
I don't
remember who was complaining about the old covers hurting the
"seriousness"
of Jack's books. I love them. Who needs serious anyway?
A local
Palo Alto company is doing a series of postcard with "pulp"
covers
which are wonderful--including "Junky". The Subterr. cover fits
right
in.
J.
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At
09:25 PM 9/18/97 -0000, you wrote:
>Jo,
>
> You're the fellow who has the sig file
that says something to the
effect
>of
"Be on the lookout for stolen Kerouac items," correct? Could you e-mail
>the
list, or me privately, with a list of the items that were stolen?
>
>Best
regards,
>
>Bruce
>
Me as
well?
Jon
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Subject: Re: something to SPIN...
In a
message dated 97-09-16 21:32:18 EDT, you write:
<< gotta say, I was disappointed with the tone
of the SPIN article >>
a
second thought...gotta say that WSB always appealed to me as the black
sheep---the
one designed for you to hate---perhaps he accomplished this too
well........
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In a
message dated 97-09-17 12:50:06 EDT, you write:
<<
Dennis owes
a lot to Burroughs. Cooper doesn't even
have his facts
together.
Burroughs deserves better. >>
I'm
really disillusioned by all this,,,,,,,give it to dc where he likes it
most, the stones said star f******, star
f******, star f******, that's all
you
get, fifteen minutes......
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Subject: Re: A Proletarian Writer.
In a
message dated 97-09-18 13:29:18 EDT, you write:
<< Only Charles Bukowski could do it.
Workers! Save The Workers >>
Rinaldo: Comprende Harry Crews?
Not beat??????
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From: Arthur Nusbaum <SSASN@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Coltrane Talking
Bruce:
Come to
think of it, I don't recall Coltrane talking in any of the
documentaries,
and I've seen all of them that I know of.
There is an audio
interview
at the end of disc 1 & the beginning of disc 2 on the import cd set
entitled
MILES DAVIS & JOHN COLTRANE- LIVE IN STOCKHOLM 1960. The sound
quality
is excellent. The concert recording
itself is absolutely great, one
of my
very favorites where 2 of the all-time giants, MD & JC, are both at
their
peak. It contains faster, hard-bop
versions of some of the classic
from
KIND OF BLUE, including SO WHAT. It is
worth searching for this item, I
obtained
it a long time ago but I think it should still be available, at
least
by order, from various sources.
I
concur with the posts sent in reply to your message that recommend WHAT
HAPPENED
TO KEROUAC. It is the best JK video
documentary made so far, in my
opinion. I hope you find both of these items.
Regards,
Arthur
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Sean
Elias wrote:
>
> In
a message dated 97-09-16 21:32:18 EDT, you write:
>
>
<< gotta say, I was disappointed
with the tone of the SPIN article >>
>
> a
second thought...gotta say that WSB always appealed to me as the black
>
sheep---the one designed for you to hate---perhaps he accomplished this too
>
well........
I find
this analysis of Burroughs to be very accurate. I find his
imagery
at times revolting and alternately mesmerizing. This applies to
his
personal life as well. I'm frankly
shocked that more derogatory
articles
did not appear - around Indianapolis, his death was seen as one
of
those "thank God that scumbag is gone.
He's corrupting my children"
kind of
deaths. His obit was in the paper
(amazingly!) but all other
media
outlets ignored it. In the end,
Burroughs became a master of
evil,
dark, disgusting images of himself and others - such a master that
the
real man and real stories are lost, as in the SPIN article. Too bad
I
seemingly missed the boat
too . .
.
Eric
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>Jo,
>
> You're the fellow who has the sig file
that says something to the
>effect
>of
"Be on the lookout for stolen Kerouac items," correct? Could you e-mail
>the
list, or me privately, with a list of the items that were stolen?
>
>Best
regards,
>
>Bruce
Bruce,
I
pulled that sig. The materials are missing from the collection. I had the
list at
one time. I check for Gerry Nicosia's E-mail address and because of
a crash
last week must reconstruct all my e-mail files. I'll contact Gerry
to see
if he still has the list as is able to E-mail it. If he does I'll
get
back to you.
Much of
what was missing is from the collection Gerry placed with the
library
after completeing Memory babe.
jo
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I loved
(yes, loved [no, not like THAT!]) WSB more than any of the other
beats...as
a start to this thread (why he was neglected in his death) I can
only
think that perhaps it was because this death did not come as a
shock...indeed
i was surprised (allbeit aware) that he was not dead years
ago........how
could anyone abuse himself so much and survive so long....this
is a
tribute to his spirit....AG, on the other hand, led a much simpler/
wholesome(?)
life and, as such his death was a great surprise....
no excuses
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>At
03:48 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I
saw The Life & Times of Allen Ginsberg
last night on PBS. It was great.
>>I
especially liked hearing Ginsberg read the excerpt from Kaddish. It gave
>>me
new insights into this poem. Does
anyone know where I could get an audio
>>recording
of Kaddish?
>>
>>
>>Aaron
F. Sinkovich
>>sinkovia@mnsfld.edu
>>
>There
is a 4CD box set of Allen reciting his poetry.
It includes Kaddish
>and
Howl and many others. I believe on two
of he discs Bob Dylan plays in
>the
back. Though I'm not sure if the Dylan
albums with Ginsberg are the
>same
as these. The box set sells for around
50.00 dollars.
>
-Jon
The
liner notes on this 4CD box are extensive and very interesting. When it
was
first released I posted them to help Rhino sell them.
If
people are intersted I'll post them again.
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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: bardo
In a
message dated 97-09-18 00:48:20 EDT, you write:
<<
<< Saturday September 20
> Bardo is a tibetan buddist
tradition. Approximately 49 days after
death.
>
images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
>>
In the
fall issue of Tricycle, they have pictures of Ginsberg drawn in the
last
few weeks of his life (not very good pictures, just sketches), and an
article
on the body after death, and how a buddhist should handle the body.
They
say the spirit can leave anytime in the first 24 hours but usually
doesn't
leave immediately upon death.
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Subject: Re: Kerouac scroll
Regarding
what On the Road was typed on, it is said to be tracing paper, each
section
was 12 feet long, taped together. (I also heard that it was shelving
paper).
I did actually see it during the Whitney Beat show in New York, and
it did
look like tracing paper, it is slightly translucent. The first part of
the
scroll is messed up, supposedly because a dog chewed on it (I forget
whose
dog it was, must be the same one that chewed my homework). It is 120
feet
long, single space.
Attila
Gyenis
In a
message dated 97-09-18 17:41:37 EDT, you write
<<
>> of OTR and the Beats. Having
heard the story that Kerouac typed
>> the book in one sitting on a roll of
toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>> the book "not writing, but
typing," and that stuck for awhile.
>
>Was this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of
"regular" paper for submission? I
>couldn't see Jack sending the original
roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>paper, as those scenes in a certain
nameless movie portrays.
>
>
Someone has corrected me on this. It was actually telegraph paper or an
Associated >>
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jo
grant wrote:
>
The liner notes on this 4CD box are extensive and very interesting. When it
>
was first released I posted them to help Rhino sell them.
> If
people are intersted I'll post them again.
>
Jo ,
I would
be very interested in them. I am
continually delighted with the
great
and varied resources this list has brought to me.
p
> j
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I live
in a dark and evil world, one that literally shows me skulls of
children
crushed by egos, souls sucked out of
breasts by greed. I know
that
the light and joy in my personal life and the fascination and
reverence
i have for mental and spiritual journeys are somehow bound
tightly
to the illuminations of what constitutes shits and johnsons that
i read
from wsb. Some i love and respect quite
easily would find
williams
broad slash horrifying. I think that William's writing has
opened
doors for centuries ahead of us. His
doors were dark ( and lost
and
found) but truth gleamed through the cracks.
To justify the crap
articles
in spin as anything but 30 cents of nonsense because you didn't
like
the "dude" is probably part of the crap that brought the bile up in
the
first place.
In the
deepest sense the beats talk to me about responsibility.
I took
a picture of William and Allen once with their arms akimbo. i
wish
that i could of met jack . In my dreams
of meeting jack it always
was
before the alcohol killed him. They had
always reminded me of those
three
monkeys, but caught with their hands
down.
p
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>In
a message dated 97-09-18 00:48:20 EDT, you write:
>
><<
<< Saturday September 20
> > Bardo is a tibetan buddist
tradition. Approximately 49 days after
death.
> >
images and or objects associated with wsb will be burned.
> >>
>
>In
the fall issue of Tricycle, they have pictures of Ginsberg drawn in the
>last
few weeks of his life (not very good pictures, just sketches), and an
>article
on the body after death, and how a buddhist should handle the body.
>They
say the spirit can leave anytime in the first 24 hours but usually
>doesn't
leave immediately upon death.
Well, I
know nothing about this really, but
my aunt died about a month
(one
month to the day actually) before our daughter was born so my wife was
very
pregnant at the time of the funeral. I
remember her friend Irene just
rolled
her eyes back in disbelief and astonishment that my wife was going
to go
to the funeral. Pregnant woman just
plain and simply aren't supposed
to go
to funerals. I assume it has something
to do with the ghost (or
spirit)
still hanging around.
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At
08:49 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>
MATT HANNAN wrote:
>>
>> Capote made this statement, as I have
heard, after hearing of
>>
Jack's
>> method of typing on the teletype roll in
a nonstop benny rush.
>>
Most
>> of the biographers I have read made a
point of saying that Jack
>>
did
>> take the teletype roll to Bob Giroux and
display it in a grand
>> flourish....Giroux reportedly replied
"I can't work with this"
>>
which,
>> some have supposed, meant the teletype
roll but Jack is said to
>>
have
>> taken it as a rejection of the work.
>
>
>This
version of the story is from Joyce Johnson in Minor Characters:
>
>"I'd
heard a lot about Mr. Giroux even before I came to Farrar, Straus.
>He
was the editor who had discovered Jack, published The Town and the
>City
at Harcourt Brace, and even convinced him to revise and cut it. He
>was
someone Jack always spoke about with admiration. 'A great French
>gentleman,'
Jack said, who ate only in the best restaurants. Once when
>Jack
was a little drunk, he described Giroux cryptically as 'a great
>white
panda.' The two of them had a terrible
misunderstanding that went
>back
six years, to the day Jack finished On the Road. After typing
>nonstop
for two weeks in a great burst of spontaneous energy onto the the
>huge
scroll of teletype paper Lucien had given him, Jack had rolled it
>all
up, stuck it under his arm, and had taken it immediately to Giroux's
>office. There, he'd triumphantly unfurled the whole
thing. 'Here's your
>novel!'
But Giroux had evidently not responded in the proper joyous
>spirit. Staring in astonishment and dismay at the
river of words
>flooding
his office, he'd wondered aloud how it would ever be possible to
>rework
it. Affronted, Jack had shouted that
not one word would ever be
>changed. He rolled his manscript up, took it away and
never returned.
> Although I did reluctantly see
Giroux's side, my
>twenty-one-year-old
sympathies were with Jack. The
exuberant, outragous
>Jack
whom I'd only seen traces of now and then.
Mad Jack, impossible
>Jack. The dark young man rushing out with his
manuscript, rage in his
>blue
eyes, walking dazed on the midtown sidewalks where ordinary people
>were
going about their business. Jack
Kerouac was his own worst enemy,
>anyone
reasonable would have said. He should
have retyped the thing
>properly,
double-spaced on fine white bond, then taken it to his editor,
>having
made an appointment in advance, having taken into account
>editorial
weariness and bleariness of eye, the tupor that comes after
>lunch
in the offices of publishers...
> He paid for the mistaken afternoon
with six years of rejection
>from
editors much less imaginative than Giroux, and in his hurt pride
>counted
Giroux among those others who had rejected On the Road. But by
>1957,
the quarrel had become enfolded in the benevolence of the past--a
>mock-heroic
encounter between the artist/savage and the gentleman. When
>I
wrote Jack about my new job, and mentioned meeting his former editor,
>he
sent friendly messages to Giroux in the letter he wrote back to me,
>just
as if the two of them had never been out of touch."
>
>
I've
forgotten a lot of this. Was there a
long period between the "typescript"
Giroux
turned down, and acceptance by another publisher? What was the time
period
between the teletype incident in Giroux's office and actual publication?
Was it
Viking that first published OTR?
Mike
Rice
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who sent me notes this week i really appreciate it. wonderful
to just
send out an inquiry and get so much assistance. Looking forward
to
Boulder Saturday all the haunts and the Blues Fest. Be back Tuesday.
dbr
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Subject: Re: Death Stalking... (My 3rd Attempt)
Bentz
wrote:
>Wes:
>
>I
am trying to let peace into my soul. I
figure if I can find peace of
>mind
right now, it will never be as bad again.
I appreciate you taking
>the
time to respond. It means a lot. I
wonder how you made it through
>these
changes. I forgot to mention that my
good friend and best client
>had
a heart attack on Saturday.
>
>
Got
through it exactly as you are getting through it now... and you will get
through
it. And you'll somehow be more human on
the other side. That's one of
the
things I love about JK and the other beats.
They knew that and expressed
it. It's why I think you're beat, Bentz. Hang in there.
Shalom,
---Wes
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I'm
going to weigh in on the SPIN discussion by addressing some of the
specific
misinformation contained in the article. Sorry for the length,
but I
dealt with a couple of his accusations in some detail.
>
SPIN magazine, October 1997, p. 76
>
The Priest, They Called Him:
>
William S. Burroughs, 1914-1997
[...]
> Like Burroughs, Ginsberg was a writer well
past his prime and a
>
spotlight addict inclined to interlope on passing youth-culture
>
movements in order to extend his legend.
The
last thing Burroughs could be described as was a self-promoter, or
spotlight
addict. Any "youth-culture movement" Burroughs ever became
associated
with (in the loosest sense of the term) was not due to any
"interloping"
on his part, but to the youths in question seeking him out.
> On
the other hand, the 83-year-old Burroughs, who died of heart failure
>
August 2, was an active relic who had exploited the mystique around his
>
early work for so long that I suspect even he didn't know why he was
>
famous anymore.
As
others have pointed out, Burroughs did not care whether or not he was
famous.
Apparently there is nothing worse in this media-saturated society
than to
be famous and not know why.
> While he continued to write, he was less an
artist than a retiree
>
who dabbled in his former craft.
This is
where the article gets fun. Any disparaging remarks these obit
writers
lobby against Burroughs' life are always delightfully illuminated
as soon
as they turn their attention to his work. Apparently the Red Night
trilogy
isn't worth the paper it's written on.
>
Don't get me wrong: Burroughs was a profoundly important countercultural
>
figure. Before heroin addiction stunted
his talent, he wrote a handful
> of
brilliant, groundbreaking novels, including Naked Lunch (1959) and
>
The Wild Boys (1969).
While I
do believe The Wild Boys is brilliant, and Naked Lunch less so,
I'd
like to know exactly what Mr. Cooper means by "before heroin addiction
stunted
his talent". That statement is patently absurd. Heroin addiction
preceeds
Naked Lunch, and was extremely important in the development of
the
controlling metaphor (of Control) throughout the book. Naked Lunch was
written
after coming out the other side. If he hadn't been a junky, he
wouldn't
have broke any ground. According to what Mr. Cooper claims,
Burroughs
was clean as a whistle when writing Naked Lunch and The Wild
Boys,
but then became a heroin addict to the detriment of his writing. I
would
like to read the biography he used as his source for this
assessment.
> He perfected (but did not invent) the cut-up
technique, one of
>
the touchstones of postmodernism and an influence on innumerable
>
writers, artists, directors, and musicians.
Please
note Mr. Cooper's acknowledgement of Burroughs' contribution to
postmodernism.
> He
popularized the idea of experimental
>
fiction, if more by dint of his persona than his craft.
I fail
to see how his persona had more of a literary influence than his
writing.
This statement is also laughable.
> Along with Jea Genet, John Rechy, and
Ginsberg, he helped make
>
homosexuality seem cool and highbrow, providing gay liberation with a
>
delicious edge.
Yes,
homosexuality does appear to be wonderfully appealing in Burroughs,
and
Genet. Nothing like the complete detachment in Burroughs, and the
glorified
degradation in Genet (but who doesn't consider picking the lice
from
one's lover romantic? (The Thief's Journal)). Agenda pushing queer
theorists
and writers today who are more interested in cultural and
political
motives than art dismiss and ignore the early badboys. For an
interesting
article on the current attitudes of many queer writers
and
theorists towards Burroughs, Genet, Rechy, et al, see Bruce
Benderson's
illuminating article at
http://www.altx.com/interzones/benderson/gay.html
> In his day, Burroughs was arguably the most
radical novelist that
>
America had ever produced.
Hmm, I
can't think of any writers of fiction from the late 50's and early
60's
that I could describe as more radical than Burroughs, can anyone
else?
But our Mr. Cooper must qualify anything that might smack of
encomium
with "arguably".
>
But the rest of the Burroughs mystique -- the gun toting, the conspiracy
>
rantings, the heroin cheerleading -- was pure showbiz.
Yes,
all those heroin cheers Burroughs raised up:
"Gimme
a J! Gimme a U! Gimme an N! Gimme a K! What's that spell? JUNK!"
Burroughs
never once promoted the use of heroin. Exactly where did this
Cooper
fellow find this apparently widespread, but mysteriously apocryphal
cheerleading?
And yes, of course Burroughs' interest in guns, and the
conspiracy
theories were merely for the reporters.
> And in allowing this indiscriminate
>
dispersal of his image, Burroughs the complex artist became Burroughs
>
the simplistic icon.
Only
for people who only know him by his media image and haven't read his
work.
Dare I include Dennis Cooper amongst this distinguished group? I
believe
I shall.
> It's a well-known secret that, beginning
with his 1981 "comeback"
>
novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose was a product of
>
partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books steadily
>
diminished. Perhaps this is not a bad
thing in and of itself;
>
everybody's got to pay the rent somehow.
This is
the most interesting of the accusations, and rather than
peremptorily
dismissing it, as Patricia did, I believe it merits some
attention.
I think
what Cooper refers to as a well-kept secret is the editing and
assembling
of Burroughs' notes and fragments into the books we know as
Cities
of the Red Night, The Place of Dead Roads, and The Western Lands.
In
Cities, Burroughs thanks James Grauerholz for "Editing the book into
present
time" (paraphrasing, please forgive). How was this process any
different
than the random assemblage of Naked Lunch-- that
"groundbreaking"
"brilliant" book-- from the scraps of paper lying about
on the
ground? Many people were involved in the gathering and ordering of
the
passages in the trilogy (David Ohle told me in a conversation that he
typed a
lot of The Western Lands) although how this detracts from its
impact
as a work of art escapes me.
While
Cooper regards the cutup as a cornerstone of postmodernist practice,
he
fails to recognize Burroughs' constant involvement in another
cornerstone
of post-modernism: collaboration. Any knowledge, or assessment
of
Burroughs' art requires a knowledge of the work and influence of Brion
Gysin,
Ian Sommerville, Antony Balch, James Grauerholz, and a slew of
others.
The demand that an artist be entirely autonomous in the creation
of a work
of art, and the subsequent devaulation of any work produced in
collaboration,
is grounded in a Romantic concept of the singular visionary
artist
that Burroughs always found limiting and useless. It's not as if
Burroughs
ever hid the involvement of others. Acknowledgements appear at
the
beginning of many books, from The Ticket that Exploded through to My
Education,
including each of the three Red Night books. If Cooper is as
naive
as to believe that the writing itself was produced by anyone but
Burroughs,
then he cannot come close to appreciating Burroughs'
achievements
as a stylist. His writing is immediately and unmistakably
recognizable.
Cooper
should also note that the cut-up itself is an implicit
collaboration
with the many authors whose words Burroughs appropriates.
"To
speak is to lie -- To collaborate is to live."
(The Ticket That
Exploded)
> But the result is that his death feels
abstract, only coldly
>
fascinating. The Burroughs whom most of
us know and love is an echo,
>
which, thanks to the miracles of sampling, will continue unimpeded as
>
long as there are young rebels in need of a transgressive figurehead.
Apparently
all his books will be burned and never read. The only legacy
Burroughs
will have for Cooper is in the samplings, which also
coincidentally
seem to be Cooper's only experience of Burroughs.
I think
we should all hope that a door dog finds his way to Dennis
Cooper's
door sometime soon.
Neil
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It was
Lucien Carr's dog and the manuscript is on deposit at the Berg collectio
n. Frankly, I've often wondered if there wasn't
more than one roll manuscript
since
it has been variously described as having been typed on teletype paper an
d
chinese rice paper. My memory isn't
what it used to be but I seem to rememb
er some
discussion in Tim Hunt's book. Perhaps
I'll look at it again when I ha
ve a
few moments.
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Mike Rice wrote:
>
I've forgotten a lot of this. Was there
a long period between the
>
"typescript"
>
Giroux turned down, and acceptance by another publisher? What was the
>
time
>
period between the teletype incident in Giroux's office and actual
>
publication?
>
Was it Viking that first published OTR?
According
to the Kerouac timeline in Ann Charters introduction in The
Portable
Kerouac, On the Road was written in 1951 and published by Viking
in
1957, which correlates with the 6-year time period Joyce Johnson was
writing
about in Minor Characters.
DC
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Neil
Hennessy wrote:
>
{quoting spin's article}
>
> It's a well-known secret that,
beginning with his 1981 "comeback"
>
> novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose was a product of
>
> partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books steadily
>
> diminished. Perhaps this is not a
bad thing in and of itself;
>
> everybody's got to pay the rent somehow.
>
>
This is the most interesting of the accusations, and rather than
>
peremptorily dismissing it, as Patricia did, I believe it merits some
>
attention.
>
> I
think what Cooper refers to as a well-kept secret is the editing and
>
assembling of Burroughs' notes and fragments into the books we know as
>
Cities of the Red Night, The Place of Dead Roads, and The Western Lands.
> In
Cities, Burroughs thanks James Grauerholz for "Editing the book into
>
present time" (paraphrasing, please forgive). How was this process any
>
different than the random assemblage of Naked Lunch-- that
>
"groundbreaking" "brilliant" book-- from the scraps of
paper lying about
> on
the ground? Many people were involved in the gathering and ordering of
>
the passages in the trilogy (David Ohle told me in a conversation that he
>
typed a lot of The Western Lands) although how this detracts from its
>
impact as a work of art escapes me.
>
...
>
Neil
Well
done Neil.. I was so sickened by this crap but your response adds
to our
understanding of william's contributions and got down to
specifics.
I have
often felt that while William and I were dear friends, that I was
a
provincial friend, so many of his friends were mental athelets and i
just
cooked and ran about the countryside
with him. I had never
thought
it possible that any influence ever went any direction than
from him to me, pushing me to be broader and
deeper than my Kansas
roots. His lack of prejudice soemtimes would bring
me up fast and my
chagrin
would blush scarlet. Often, because I
am gauche, he would
extradite
a situation with a variety of skills. When william bought his
house
in east lawrence, William and I often would take treks to the
country,
fishing, walks, shooting. My
professions are many but the
consistant
activity in my life is I wreck buildings and sell the loot. I
owned 6
acres along the kaw river in Topeka that the wrecking company
operated
as a demolition landfill, we had an old man who lived on the
property
in an incredibly clever remodeled rail road car. The land is
on a
bend of the river, populated with wild turkeys, kpot, beavers,
lush,
overgrown, a fishing dock etc. William
and I went there a couple
of
times and he treked all over the place. When I recieved Western
Lands,
opened the book and begun to read, there was our river spot.
William was a natural man with a
passionate nature. He took from
everyone
who was near him, took, in the sense he
was an incredibly open
man if he cared for you. I certainly agree that James and David were
instrumental
in the manuscripts, just as you described, that was very
well
put. But when i read western lands or
any of the works that he
wrote
during the time i knew him you would hear echos of stories and
subjects
that he had discussed, sometimes to death, his voice and words
were
uniquely his. james G. is especially to
be admired as he who
managed
so many of the details in Williams life.
James could drive me a
little
crazy but i never once got ANY impression that the managing was
ever
anything but to help william "do his job". When william signed a
book,
and i said sorry to bother you, he would say, just part of the
job. He took his job seriously.
p
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On Thu,
18 Sep 1997, Michael Stutz wrote:
> On
Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Mike Rice wrote:
>
>
> of OTR and the Beats. Having heard
the story that Kerouac typed
>
> the book in one sitting on a roll of toilet paper, Truman pronounced
>
> the book "not writing, but typing," and that stuck for awhile.
>
>
Was this ms. then re-typed onto sheets of "regular" paper for
submission? I
>
couldn't see Jack sending the original roll to publishers wrapped in brown
>
paper, as those scenes in a certain nameless movie portrays.
Read
"Kerouac" by Charters. She
tells all about it. Cool pictures
too...although
having flipped thru the web looking for info on him, it
seems
she isn't thought of very highly among fans.
Jorgiana>
* You
can always tell a Texan, but not much.*
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patricia
and neil:
thank you both for your compassionate and informed
posts. like you,
patricia,
i have been sickened by the recent rash of ill-tempered and
ill-informed
postings but lacked the words of neil or the compassionate
experience
of friendship with wsb of you, patricia. it is a telling note that
a man
so open to the world and so free of prejudice gets slammed not just by
spin,
but by list members. wake up and smell the coffee, boys, you are on the
beat
list. and so i go down unbeaten paths of my small adventures of the day.
peace
mc
Patricia
Elliott wrote:
>
Neil Hennessy wrote:
>
> {quoting spin's article}
>
> > It's a well-known secret that,
beginning with his 1981 "comeback"
>
> > novel, Cities of the Red Night, Burroughs's prose was a product of
>
> > partial ghostwriting, and that his involvement in his books steadily
>
> > diminished. Perhaps this is
not a bad thing in and of itself;
>
> > everybody's got to pay the rent somehow.
>
>
>
> This is the most interesting of the accusations, and rather than
>
> peremptorily dismissing it, as Patricia did, I believe it merits some
>
> attention.
>
>
>
> I think what Cooper refers to as a well-kept secret is the editing and
>
> assembling of Burroughs' notes and fragments into the books we know as
>
> Cities of the Red Night, The Place of Dead Roads, and The Western Lands.
>
> In Cities, Burroughs thanks James Grauerholz for "Editing the book
into
>
> present time" (paraphrasing, please forgive). How was this process
any
>
> different than the random assemblage of Naked Lunch-- that
>
> "groundbreaking" "brilliant" book-- from the scraps of
paper lying about
>
> on the ground? Many people were involved in the gathering and ordering of
>
> the passages in the trilogy (David Ohle told me in a conversation that he
>
> typed a lot of The Western Lands) although how this detracts from its
>
> impact as a work of art escapes me.
> >
...
>
> Neil
>
>
Well done Neil.. I was so sickened by this crap but your response adds
> to
our understanding of william's contributions and got down to
>
specifics.
> I
have often felt that while William and I were dear friends, that I was
> a
provincial friend, so many of his friends were mental athelets and i
>
just cooked and ran about the countryside
with him. I had never
>
thought it possible that any influence ever went any direction than
>
from him to me, pushing me to be
broader and deeper than my Kansas
>
roots. His lack of prejudice soemtimes
would bring me up fast and my
>
chagrin would blush scarlet. Often,
because I am gauche, he would
>
extradite a situation with a variety of skills. When william bought his
>
house in east lawrence, William and I often would take treks to the
>
country, fishing, walks, shooting. My
professions are many but the
>
consistant activity in my life is I wreck buildings and sell the loot. I
>
owned 6 acres along the kaw river in Topeka that the wrecking company
>
operated as a demolition landfill, we had an old man who lived on the
>
property in an incredibly clever remodeled rail road car. The land is
> on
a bend of the river, populated with wild turkeys, kpot, beavers,
>
lush, overgrown, a fishing dock etc.
William and I went there a couple
> of
times and he treked all over the place. When I recieved Western
>
Lands, opened the book and begun to read, there was our river spot.
> William was a natural man with a
passionate nature. He took from
>
everyone who was near him, took, in the sense
he was an incredibly open
>
man if he cared for you. I certainly agree that James and David were
>
instrumental in the manuscripts, just as you described, that was very
>
well put. But when i read western lands
or any of the works that he
>
wrote during the time i knew him you would hear echos of stories and
>
subjects that he had discussed, sometimes to death, his voice and words
>
were uniquely his. james G. is
especially to be admired as he who
>
managed so many of the details in Williams life. James could drive me a
>
little crazy but i never once got ANY impression that the managing was
>
ever anything but to help william "do his job". When william signed a
>
book, and i said sorry to bother you, he would say, just part of the
>
job. He took his job seriously.
> p
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From: Jorgiana S Jake
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On Thu,
18 Sep 1997, Eric Macy wrote:
>
Jonathan Pickle wrote:
>
>
>
> At 11:15 AM 9/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
> > The Life and Times of
Allen Ginsberg:
>
> >
>
> > Produced and Directed by
Jerry Aronson
>
> >
>
> > you can purchase a copy
from First Run Features by calling
>
> > 1-800-488-6552 for $29.95.
>
> > This is the one that was
shown in theaters, I have rented it
>
> > from my local art
theatre/video place.
>
> > It does have the Buckley
footage.
>
> > Note:
>
> > When I was at the Ginsberg
tribute at Naropa in '94
>
> > Jerry Aronson showed
out-takes from the film which was
>
> > basically the extended
Ginsberg and Burroughs dialogue.
>
> > It was great.
>
> > Also saw "Pull my
Daisy". Does anyone know if that is available?
>
> >
>
> > SDY
>
> > syoung@dsw.com
>
> >
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>
>
>
> I received a copy of a catalog from the old 1800Kerouac bookstore in
CA. I
>
> believe it has changed its name to Fog City Books. You can find it on the
>
> web to get the phone. _Pull My
Daisy_ was in the catolog for 39.95 plus
> >
shipping and all. That was in May and
they said they had limited copies.
>
> I didn't have enough money to pay for it so I didn't. I don't know if its
>
> still available.
>
>
>
> -Jon
>
> I
just got back from Borders Bookstore here in Indianapolis and I
>
ordered a copy of "What Happened to Kerouac?" for $69.95 directly
from
>
the video company. I hear it's a very
good flick and it came highly
>
recommended as opposed to the all-actors "Kerouac."
>
>
Eric Macy
Have
any of you seen "The last time I committed suicide"? Movie about
Neal
Cassidy. Very interesting, however
(here's the warning), Keanu
Reeves
plays JK. Ahhh, the horror. Some of you may be able to get
around
it but everytime he was onscreen I kept thinking "Oh no, it's Bill
and
Ted". BEAUTIFUL photography though
and a pretty hoppin' soundtrack.
Maybe
on a slow Sat night. Blockbuster has
it.
Jorgiana>
* You
can always tell a Texan, but not much.*
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i sure
hope that when i die i'll be obscure enough not to be splattered by such
hatred,
prejudice, and ignorance. are those the fingers that you hug yr mothers
with?
ye gads
and little fishes.
mc
Eric
Macy wrote:
>
Sean Elias wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 97-09-16 21:32:18 EDT, you write:
>
>
>
> << gotta say, I was
disappointed with the tone of the SPIN article >>
>
>
>
> a second thought...gotta say that WSB always appealed to me as the black
>
> sheep---the one designed for you to hate---perhaps he accomplished this
too
>
> well........
>
> I
find this analysis of Burroughs to be very accurate. I find his
>
imagery at times revolting and alternately mesmerizing. This applies to
>
his personal life as well. I'm frankly
shocked that more derogatory
>
articles did not appear - around Indianapolis, his death was seen as one
> of
those "thank God that scumbag is gone.
He's corrupting my children"
>
kind of deaths. His obit was in the
paper (amazingly!) but all other
>
media outlets ignored it. In the end,
Burroughs became a master of
>
evil, dark, disgusting images of himself and others - such a master that
>
the real man and real stories are lost, as in the SPIN article. Too bad
> I
seemingly missed the boat
>
too . . .
>
Eric Macy
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"The
best way out is always through." --Robert Frost Hi, I'm new to the
list. I
think this is really a good thing on the web. Look forward to all
the
discussions.
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>
From: Lundburg, Wes <wlundburg@MAIL.FF.CC.MN.US>
>
To: BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>
Subject: Re: Death Stalking... (My 3rd Attempt)
>
Date: Friday, September 19, 1997 7:01 AM
>
>
Bentz wrote:
>
>
>Wes:
>
>
>
>I am trying to let peace into my soul.
I figure if I can find peace of
>
>mind right now, it will never be as bad again. I appreciate you taking
>
>the time to respond. It means a lot.
I wonder how you made it through
>
>these changes. I forgot to mention
that my good friend and best client
>
>had a heart attack on Saturday.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Got through it exactly as you are getting through it now... and you will
get
>
through it. And you'll somehow be more
human on the other side. That's
one of
>
the things I love about JK and the other beats. They knew that and
expressed
>
it. It's why I think you're beat,
Bentz. Hang in there.
>
>
Shalom,
> ---Wes