beat list 1997

Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:08:56 -0400

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From: "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Subject: Re: spontaneous sidewalk re-worked.

Comments: To: Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

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On Tue, 27 May 1997, Pamela Beach Plymell wrote:

> In a message dated 97-05-26 23:23:50 EDT, you write:

>=20

> << Tomorrow, Tuesday, let's have

> everyone on the list post one poem, story, or idea about beat literature=

. >>

"Wind Outside Seems"

by Michael L. Buchenroth (1992)

The wind outside seems forever.

The fire inside the fireplace cracks burning,

hot green White Ash sounds.

Seeking heat,

synchronicity,

a death's-head hawkmoth's windblown flight ends

rapping,

tapping outside upon the window pane.

An occasional fireworks pops,

sparks,

sizzles warmly into the dark,

fireplace night up the flue,

and out,

towards the stars,

I suppose.

These infinitely-short,

sparks bursts,

which usually follow the loudest cracks,

light the room up much like lightening lights the outside in equally,

infinitely short bursts somewhere following a thunder crack

amidst the wind howling forever outside

and the hawkmoth's tapping,

I suppose.

I don't know though.

Her face glows orange, blue, white=97

dark with each crack and lightening-like flash,

flickering flame,

this fireplace night publishes.

The army couldn=92t deal death kinder than to this beautiful face,

tonight,

this fire,

this particular pop--=97

sizzle sound--=97

loud crack the night issues from somewhere forever outside,

I suppose--=97

much,

much like the escaping gas,

gasp,

somewhere within those hot green White Ash sounds.

I sure don't know though.

Her human body always alive,

alone or not never knows what.

I suppose she thinks the fire jumps briefly out into the room into her drea=

ms.

At least the shadow dances dreams,

th=E9 dansant,

like smoke burning a baseboard in a house not yet on fire all over the wall=

=97

dark and shadowy psychedelic.

A candle shaped by burning all night dances,

flutters,

hovers,

in her dreams this way and that,

perhaps.

The mortar and the shelling dances dark all over tonight!

I do know that.

She gasps,

grating her teeth gurgling death's saliva,

gasping for a breath--=97

and then crack,

pop,

sizzle similar to some sort of chimerical crispies in a deep,

dark bowl of milk,

the thunder interrupts the wind.

Snap, crackle, pop!

The mortally short lightening bursts,

sparks light up the fireplace flue night into the stars and beyond,

I suppose.

The wind blows,

howling outside.

During the laconic,

lightening-like,

light-flash flicker,

a tremendous,

endless,

silver spoon shadows,

covers,

reflects deep down into her beautiful milky face,

as if it goes right on through her--

the bowl bottom--=97

the dream.=97

Karmic breakfast.

I don't know--=97

though

I think I hear the wind howling forever outside.

Michael L. Buchenroth

mike@buchenroth.com

www.buchenroth.com

To view

Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine

go to

www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:29:28 -0400

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From: Michael Czarnecki <peent@SERVTECH.COM>

Subject: Re: let's put the fun back in dysfunction!

>What's going on in Plattsburgh on the 13th/14th? It's only an hour from

>Montreal.

> Antoine

June 13 Craig Czury, great poet from Reading ,PA

(Craig Czury (1951, Wilkes-Barre, Pa.) lives in Reading, Pa. and is the

author of nine small-press collections of poetry, most recently the bilingual

edition of SHADOW/ORPHAN SHADOW... SOMBRA/SOMBRA HUA, translated into

Spanish by

Rosann DeCandido Kamin & Alicia Partnoy, (Pine Press, 1997). He has also

edited

FINE LINE THAT SCREAMS, an anthology of prison poets (Endless Mountains Review

Press, 1991) from his N.E. Pa. Prison Poetry Project.)

and myself reading

(I'll read from "Twenty days On Route 20" plus the long poem "Elegy For

the Road/Kerouac's Ghost")

in P'burgh followed by open reading. Next day, I'll be facilitating three

hour workshop in Arts Council Gallery, "Writing From the Visual Arts" using

art on exhibit as take-off points for our own writing. Then, evening

reading/performance of the workshop writings.

Craig wants to head up to Montreal, since were so close, but I head out on

the road west for a month on the following Tuesday so short on time. Maybe

Montreal, maybe. . . Would be great if you could make it down to P'burgh

and anyone else too. "A Positive Getting Together In Person No Battles Or

Estate Wars Happening"

Michael

Anyone interested I could send along time/place info privately.

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:22:31 -0400

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From: "Michael L. Buchenroth" <mike@INFINET.COM>

Subject: Poem for Yesterday (Tuesday)

> In a message dated 97-05-26 23:23:50 EDT, someone wrote:

>=20

> << Tomorrow, Tuesday, let's have

> everyone on the list post one poem, story, or idea about beat literature=

. >>

"Wind Outside Seems"

by Michael L. Buchenroth (1992)

The wind outside seems forever.

The fire inside the fireplace cracks burning,

hot green White Ash sounds.

Seeking heat,

synchronicity,

a death's-head hawkmoth's windblown flight ends

rapping,

tapping outside upon the window pane.

An occasional fireworks pops,

sparks,

sizzles warmly into the dark,

fireplace night up the flue,

and out,

towards the stars,

I suppose.

These infinitely-short,

sparks bursts,

which usually follow the loudest cracks,

light the room up much like lightening lights the outside in equally,

infinitely short bursts somewhere following a thunder crack

amidst the wind howling forever outside

and the hawkmoth's tapping,

I suppose.

I don't know though.

Her face glows orange, blue, white--=97

dark with each crack and lightening-like flash,

flickering flame,

this fireplace night publishes.

The army couldn't deal death kinder than to this beautiful face,

tonight,

this fire,

this particular pop--=97

sizzle sound--=97

loud crack the night issues from somewhere forever outside,

I suppose--=97

much,

much like the escaping gas,

gasp,

somewhere within those hot green White Ash sounds.

I sure don't know though.

Her human body always alive,

alone or not never knows what.

I suppose she thinks the fire jumps briefly out into the room into her drea=

ms.

At least the shadow dances dreams,

th=E9 dansant,

like smoke burning a baseboard in a house not yet on fire all over the wall=

=97

dark and shadowy psychedelic.

A candle shaped by burning all night dances,

flutters,

hovers,

in her dreams this way and that,

perhaps.

The mortar and the shelling dances dark all over tonight!

I do know that.

She gasps,

grating her teeth gurgling death's saliva,

gasping for a breath--=97

and then crack,

pop,

sizzle similar to some sort of chimerical crispies in a deep,

dark bowl of milk,

the thunder interrupts the wind.

Snap, crackle, pop!

The mortally short lightening bursts,

sparks light up the fireplace flue night into the stars and beyond,

I suppose.

The wind blows,

howling outside.

During the laconic,

lightening-like,

light-flash flicker,

a tremendous,

endless,

silver spoon shadows,

covers,

reflects deep down into her beautiful milky face,

as if it goes right on through her--

the bowl bottom--=97

the dream.=97

Karmic breakfast.

I don't know--=97

though

I think I hear the wind howling forever outside.

Michael L. Buchenroth

mike@buchenroth.com

www.buchenroth.com

To view

Columbus' Electronic Literary Magazine

go to

www.buchenroth.com/magazine.html

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:43:25 -0400

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From: Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: "Purchased" versus "Donated"

Dear Gerry:

The past business you and I have gone through over the years should be

considered past business. Let's look to the future and let us both continue

to promote Beat literature and the Beat authors that we both love so much. We

have both done some good for the cause in our own individual ways over the

years. Let's get back to the basics once again.

On this list, you will never gain the support of those who disagree with you

about estate and archive matters. And they will never change your mind. But

that is ok.

Alot of people respect you for your Memory Babe work and your knowledge of

the work of Kaufman, Micheline, and other North Beach poets. Why not share

your knowledge and experience with all of us?

Many people both new to the list and old have expressed their displeasure

with what's happening here the last few weeks. Let's all stop being so

abrassive and argumentative.

Let's try to rebuild the community spirit that we all shared that day that

Allen died...

Let's see if we can't get people like Levi Asher back on this list...

Let's all follow the guidelines set forth by William Gargan -

Have a great day -

Jeffrey Weinberg

Water Row Books

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:45:40 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: burroughs

you wrote: PS, am going to see BEAT-L member David

Ohle in Columbus today with James Grauholtz to look at unpublished

manuscripts

of Bill Burroughs Jr. if you have any questions to pass along I'd be glad to

ask, thanks (Dave B.)

Dave: no questions but i want to hear all about it after the fact. Please

please please write to me at marioka7@aol.com or post a

message....thanks---------maya

oh, wait, i just thought of a question: are there any college papers by

burroughs on anthropology (or anything else in fact) that are available to be

read by obsequious minions like myself? (i studied anthro...i'm just curious)

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:06:16 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: n'orleans

what a city! what a great porn store! what a headache i had when it was all

over!

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:08:08 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: sorry i accidentally sent that last one before it was over.

n'orleans:CHIRPING NIGHTS OF INSECT LUST

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:16:55 -0400

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From: Maya Gorton <Marioka7@AOL.COM>

Subject: POET-TREE

NIGHTS THAT CHIRP WITH INSECT LUST

NOSTALGIA FOR A THOUSAND NOWS

REPEL SULPHUR BURNING WINGS

A DISTANT CRACKLING ROTTEN CITRUS SMELL

INHALING COLORS AND SOUNDS

IMMEDIACY RESENTMENT DROWNS

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:23:17 -0500

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From: Ron Guest <rguest@SUNSET.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>

Subject: Re: T-shirts

Don't worry. there will still be 200 of us around for the t-shirts.

looking forward to seeing the design.

At 10:36 PM 5/27/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear Beat-L Members:

>Before all 200+ of you sign off, please remember that Beat-L T-shirt list.

>I ordered enough shirts to cover that list and I certainly can't use 200

>shirts myself!

>The Beat-L T-shirt with artwork by S. Clay Wilson will be ready to ship in

>approx.

>2-3 weeks.

>I kept my part of the bargain by fronting the money to pay Wilson and to pay

>for the shirts to be printed up....Please keep your part of the bargain

>also...

>Thanks -

>Jeffrey Weinberg

>Beat-L T-shirt Dept.

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:23:11 -0400

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From: MARK NOFERI <NOFERI.MARK@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>

Subject: Jack and Jazz

In response to Laura's question about the Jack and Jazz thread, and hoping

someone else picks up on it...

Jack had a pretty wide interest in jazz, but he was captivated by bebop (Charlie

Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, etc.),

as many Americans of his time were. Jack was in New York in the forties,

when the music was developing at after-hours jam sessions at places such

as Minton's Playhouse and and Monroe's Uptown House, so it's pretty likely

that he was checking out the scene. (I know that this info is covered in Memory

Babe - Gerry Nicosia, would you like to help me out here?) Kerouac went to see

a lot of musicians live, some of whom he talks about in his books (there's an

especially

well written section on George Shearing in On the Road, although the description

seems incongruous given that Shearing's music is ice-cold, practically the

antithesis

of everything Beat at the time). Specifically, of course, Charlie Parker - Jack

approaches

Parker with near-worshipful reverence. Parker, I think, embodies what Jack was

looking for

in jazz - spontaneity, the supreme individuality of the soloist, Parker's

near-transcendental

technical brilliance.

In Selected Letters, Jack mentions many jazz musicians at different times -

and they

are not all limited to the bebop players, interestingly. However, the common

thread, I think,

in his interest in jazz is the great soloists. In his essay "Jazz of the Beat

Generation", he talks

about the evolution of jazz from Louis Armstrong, through Count Basie and Lester

Young, to the

bebop musicians - but he neglects to mention a giant like Ellington, I think,

because Ellington's

music is tightly arranged. At the end of OTR, he talks of wanting to hang out

with Neal Cassady

instead of going to an Ellington concert, a quite revealing comment - the

tension is between the

arranged, mainstream, "highbrow" jazz of Ellington and the underground, free,

spontaneous bebop

and the world of the Beats.

Some trivia:

The recordings you mentioned are with Zoot Sims and Al Cohn, I believe.

I think, at one point, Kerouac also did a reading w/ jazz accompaniment at the

Village

Vanguard in New York, which I've read was pretty unsuccessful.

Dizzy Gillespie also named a song "Kerouac" - I think they had a mutual friend,

but I don't

know if they met. Supposedly, Dizzy just liked the sound of the name.

And I think Kerouac did meet many of the musicians through a friend in the

business,

an agent, or record company man - Gerry? or anyone?

This is all off the top of my head, and purely from academic sources (I did my

undergraduate

thesis work on Jack, Allen, and jazz). I'd love to hear some stories from the

people out there

that knew the prinicpals personally.

Mark Noferi

Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:00:17 +0200

From: Ufficio Stampa Teatro Smeraldo <smeraldo.press@IOL.IT>

Subject: Jack & Jazz

Hi everybody!

from the "cloudy shores of Italy", I have two questions to ask you:

- which kind of LIVE jazz was jack kerouac used to listen to during his

life? I mean: in which jazz clubs did he go often to, in which towns and

in which period? Do exist any LETTER (apart from references contained in

published books) in which these details are booked, or does he remember

any live jam session or jazz musician he met or knew?

- who are the jazz musicians playing with him during his Mexico City

Blues and On The Road reading recording? I have a "copy-of-the-copy" of

that tape and no one could tell me when, where and with whom it was

recorded...

Thank you very much for your help.

Bye, Laura :.)

Laura Moja

Ufficio Stampa

Teatro Smeraldo

smeraldo.press@iol.it

http:/www4.iol.it/smeraldo

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:27:58 -0400

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From: "R. Bentz Kirby" <bocelts@SCSN.NET>

I posted that which I rolled myself for my contribution.

But on some stupid and bad word plays, allusions etc., how

about:

What if they gave a beat list and nobody posted.

What if good people let posts they can delte run them off the

list?

What if we had a chance to learn and didn't take it.

Some thoughts on all this:

1. I came here to talk poetry, etc and beats. I know a

lot about Kerouac, Thanks to Gerry N, some about many others,

and a lot about orgone (sp?) accumulators. But I want more

knowledge.

2. I wish that Gerry could let this shit roll of his back,

cause I want to read his new book. I also don't want him to

leave the list. So, I hope he will just ignore the bs.

3. In a week or 10 days, while at times it has been hairy

and I jumped in at the wrong times, I have learned a lot. Did

it cost me, yeah, a lot of bad feelings. But, what in life

have I ever gotten which matter, but that it did not cost me.

4. You gotta play your dues if you want to sing the Mexico

City Blues, and you know it don't come easy.

What people do not realize is the scope and magnatude of

Kerouac's genius? Have you ever tried to write your On the

Road? Have you ever tried to describe in words what he did?

He paid for it, as those who follow the muse with no restraint,

with his life. He gave his life to the muse for the right to

write it all down for us. And Gerry taped it.

So, I think we need to focus on two things:

1. Open the library or move it so we can see and hear it.

2 Take care of the tapes. Rerecord them on good tape. Then

digitize the tapes to cd.

Oh yeah, and on making this list happen.

This list has some great posters and Levi ought to come on

back. Let's try to learn instead of Burn hear what Jimi

Hendrix say.

Those who followed the muse:

Jack Kerouac

Neal Cassiday (sp)

Jim Morrison

Jimi Hendrix

Lord Byron

Rimbaud, cept he bailed out and sold guns instead.

Not me, I didn't have the guts.

Robert Johnson

Jackie Wilson

Buddy Holly

Ronnie Van Zandt

F Scott Fitzgerald (sp)

Well, I am not sure about Janis Joplin, if she wrote Kozmic

Blues, her to.

Sylvia Playth

not dorothy parker.

Peace,

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Date: 05/28/97

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:31:54 -0600

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From: John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject: Re: Guidelines for Discourse-Sad day for beat-l

In-Reply-To: <199705280126.SAA20060@denmark.it.earthlink.net>

> And it's curious you and Mr. Sampas got invited to Jan's funeral,

>when I didn't. How much time did you guys spend with her in those last

>five, hard, 4-dialyis-a-day years? Did you ever watch her do a dialysis,

>Phil?

> Just wondering. I did.

> Best always, Gerry Nicosia

I love these Estate Wars so much I'm not only giggling hysterically and

weeping hopelessly, but I'm transmuting to diskaloo every word said, just

so I can spend the rest of my life trying to understand the dramatis

personae and the issues involved. Also, I was recently appointed literary

executor for poet John Engman, naively somewhat I realize now, and I am

sincere and grateful when I say, Gawd, have I learned a lot, which I needed

to know about this necrophiliac legacy stuff. I am so lucky he isn't worth

any money and I am sole negotiator, caretaker, and proprietor of his

wondrous estate.

But, please, do we have to drag in poor Jan's kidneys like Achilles

dragging Hector's corpse seven times around the walls of Troy just to gloat

over a point? The Trojan Horse always wins, the men and women at arms

slain. Please, some decorum at their graves--or, failing that, at least

some rich ripe red very dry wine for strewing their flesh and bones.

John M.

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:59:22 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: "Purchased" versus "Donated"

At 11:43 AM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear Gerry:

>The past business you and I have gone through over the years should be

>considered past business. Let's look to the future and let us both continue

>to promote Beat literature and the Beat authors that we both love so much. We

>have both done some good for the cause in our own individual ways over the

>years. Let's get back to the basics once again.

>On this list, you will never gain the support of those who disagree with you

>about estate and archive matters. And they will never change your mind. But

>that is ok.

>Alot of people respect you for your Memory Babe work and your knowledge of

>the work of Kaufman, Micheline, and other North Beach poets. Why not share

>your knowledge and experience with all of us?

>Many people both new to the list and old have expressed their displeasure

>with what's happening here the last few weeks. Let's all stop being so

>abrassive and argumentative.

>Let's try to rebuild the community spirit that we all shared that day that

>Allen died...

>Let's see if we can't get people like Levi Asher back on this list...

>Let's all follow the guidelines set forth by William Gargan -

>Have a great day -

>Jeffrey Weinberg

>Water Row Books

Jeffrey, May 28, 1997

Couldn't agree more. Now if we can just get "Dirk Latin Edition" or

whatever his name is to agree, I think we'll have peace in the valley again.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:15:15 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Jan's service

>> And it's curious you and Mr. Sampas got invited to Jan's funeral,

>>when I didn't. How much time did you guys spend with her in those last

>>five, hard, 4-dialyis-a-day years? Did you ever watch her do a dialysis,

Phil?

>> Just wondering. I did.

>> Best always, Gerry Nicosia

>>Gerry, what makes you think that John would get invited. I haven't been

>invited but I still would like to go to pay my respects. I met Jan when she

>came to Lowell and we had a nice conversation. I got some great photos of

>her at the dedication. She was friendly to me and I to her. Why would you

>need an invitation to go to a memorial service. Is it a private service? If

>it is let me know and I will respect anyones wishes on this. But I just

>assumed anyone could go to pay their respects to Jan. Inform us on the list

>if you know about it.Phil

Dear Phil, May 28, 1997

I was told by Jacques Kirouac from Quebec, head of the Kerouac

Family Association, that Jan's service and interrment (which will take place

on June 5, 9AM, at St. Louis de Gonzague in Nashua), IS PRIVATE and by

invitation only. Jacques has been invited. According to Jacques, John

Lash, Jan's exhusband, invited Mr. Sampas. Since you're a friend of Mr.

Sampas's, you should have no trouble getting in.

I've been cut out of Jan's burial, just as I have been cut out of a

lot of things in the last few years.

But I had the honor of standing by her side when police dragged us

both out of New York University. As Jack used to sing, "They can't take

that away from me."

We also had another big victory. Mr. Lash was planning to bury Jan

on top of her grandmother Gabrielle, to save the last two spaces in the

Kerouac plot for members of the Sampas family.

Paul Blake, Jr., objected to the digging up of his grandmother's

grave in order to save space for a Sampas.

So the cemetery has instructed Mr. Lash (and presumably Mr. Sampas)

that Jan's remains will have to be interred in one of the two empty grave sites.

What this means is that Jan can at least have the dignity of her own

marker, and her own little spot, for people to come and leave tributes

to--poems and dimes and little model Cadillacs or whatever people deem

appropriate. (More work for the cemetery, I guess, but that's the story

when you bury somebody famous.)

As for me, I guess I'll sneak in someday when all the furor and

hatred have passed, and pay my respects too.

Say a prayer for Jan for me that day, will you?

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:27:21 -0400

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From: Marie Countryman <country@SOVER.NET>

Subject: Re: let's put the fun back in dysfunction!

In-Reply-To: <v01530500afb1a61df54e@[204.181.15.86]>

>Hey, how about grabbing a handful of poems and shuffling on up to

>Plattsburgh on June 13th/14th for a big poetry reading, wine, creative talk

>and a bit of poetic partying? Anyone else interested.

>Michael

__________

i'm there, mike, just need to check out ferry on lake champlain, and wings

to whisk me from landing to the fest. (and i actually have a handfulla

pomes to share like oranges on a sunny hot day

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: A quickie question

At 06:55 PM 5/27/97 -0000, you wrote:

>alright, I'm new here and basically new to Beat so this may be a stupid

>question, but I was reading the portable Beat reader and an excerpt from

>junk had a character named Jack that killed somebody with a pipe and a

>faucet. Is that Mr. Kerouac?

>west

>I belong to the blank generation

>and I can take or leave it each time

>-Richard Hell

No.

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From: jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject: Re: Paul Maher's anger

In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970526194611.006b2538@pop.pipeline.com>

Paul Maher wrote (5-26) to G.Nicosia:

>You play no part in my daily but as a flea on an

>elephant's ass. You are a fly on a mountain of shit. it's too bad you and

>your devout followers (if you have any) missed Hale-Bopp..............last

>on this....EVER. PAUL MAHER JR. THE GUY WHO STOLE BOOKS FROM MOGAN CENTER

>LIBRARY BUT IS NOW THE SCAPEGOAT FOR GERRY NICOSIA'S WORTHLESS STOLEN

>ARCHIVES....

Paul,

I followed the original exchanges and recall Gerry making it clear that he

thought the library was wrong in stating that you may have stolen the

material. As a favor to you I even deletedyour name, phone number and his

mention the incident from material I had on my web site at your

request--even though I had no obligation to do so.

How nice it would be if you would limit your posts to information rather

than anger and slander.

I'll have to check my records, but I think I sent for a subscription to

your magazine recently. Cancel it, don't bill me, I'm no longer even

remotely interested.

j grant

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From: "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject: What's the word on Dylan?

Just heard some bad news regarding Mr. Dylan. He's

supposedly in hospital for observation after complaining

of chest pains. The diagnosis is that he is suffering from

Histoplasmosis, a potentially life threatening disease

involving the swelling of the fat around the heart. He has

cancelled his tour that starts June 1st in Ireland and ends

in Switzerland, June 18th. This is from a fairly reliable

resource (at least they usually are). From what I understand

recovery time is a few months. The Irish promoters are

saying he had a heart-attack. Hmm, waiting for the official

word. This may be total rumour? I hope so!!

Mike

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Subject: Re: Why We Shouldn't Study Kerouac

In-Reply-To: <199705262253.PAA12697@italy.it.earthlink.net>

G. Nicosia wrote (5-26):

> Then I'm taking off for a while.

> I need a break to get back to my real work--writing books, and

>advocating for the

>right to study Jack Kerouac's papers, in court, which is the only place such

>advocacy will really count.

> By the way, I've been accused of hiring these folks as "mouthpieces"

>for me. I've never met either Grant or Kirby. Jerry I met only twice, once

>when he asked me to come down to his bookstore in Monterey to lecture about

>Kerouac, and the other time for a few seconds in Washington Square Park in

>New York, when I gave him a free ticket to the Beat Conference Town Hall

>Concert.

Gerry,

Each day I am amazed and slightly appalled at the time you are taking to

respond to some of the incredibly weak, stupid posts. At times, IMO, you

allow your feelings to override your sensabilities. I understand why. A big

chunk of your life went into "Memory Babe..." and I for one am grateful to

have the English and Spanish editions

Also, I read and save your posts and many of the posts of your enemies (I

specifically avoided using the word "critics"). But each day I ask myself,

when is he going to return to "HOME TO WAR: The History of the VVAW" or

whatever the title will be? Wheneven I meet a Vietnam Vet I mention the

book and it is extremely rare that the veteran does not know about the

book-in-progress and Gerry Nicosia the author.

At this point, as far as the Kerouac collections are concerned, there are

those who want/need access to Keroauc material and will avoid and/or attack

you, and there are those who believe the collection , at whatever costs to

collectors and individual scholars, must be preserved in a safe environment

where everyone has access to Jack Keroauc's collection AND the collection

of his daughter Jan.

That twain will probably not meet until the issue of the will is determined

in court. Sampas says he can prove the will was signed by Jack's Memere,

Jan claimed she would prove the signature was forged.

I wish everyone would encourage Sampas to welcome the chance to present his

proof in court.Why drag it out?

And Gerry, I wish you would try to ignore the dirt and get on with

finishing a book that will provide healing to hundreds of thousands of

Vietnam Veterans. Vets who are deperately in need of a document they can

hold up to the U.S. public and say, "This is who we were, this is who we

are, and what we were about!"

Impossible to tell you how disappointed I was when a head gasket blew in my

car and I was unable to get to Chicago for the VVAW convention and the

opportunity to meet you.

j grant

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From: Tony Trigilio <atrigili@LYNX.DAC.NEU.EDU>

Subject: Re: What's the word on Dylan?

In-Reply-To: <199705282037.QAA13217@ionline.net> from "M. Cakebread" at May

28, 97 04:37:48 pm

> Just heard some bad news regarding Mr. Dylan. He's

> supposedly in hospital for observation after complaining

> of chest pains. The diagnosis is that he is suffering from

> Histoplasmosis, a potentially life threatening disease

> involving the swelling of the fat around the heart. He has

> cancelled his tour that starts June 1st in Ireland and ends

> in Switzerland, June 18th. This is from a fairly reliable

> resource (at least they usually are). From what I understand

> recovery time is a few months. The Irish promoters are

> saying he had a heart-attack. Hmm, waiting for the official

> word. This may be total rumour? I hope so!!

> Mike

Mike--This is what I picked up on the Web from the Associated Press.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bob Dylan hospitalized with

heart ailment

Associated Press, 05/28/97

NEW YORK (AP) - Singer Bob Dylan was

hospitalized with a potentially fatal heart infection that

forced the cancellation of a scheduled European tour,

his record label said in a statement today.

Dylan, who turned 56 last Saturday, was admitted to

a hospital this past weekend ``suffering from severe

chest pains,'' according to the three-paragraph

statement from Columbia Records.

``His condition has been diagnosed as Histoplamosis,

a potentially fatal infection which creates a swelling of

the sack which surrounds the heart,'' the statement

said.

The statement did not specify where Dylan was

hospitalized or his current condition. It did say he

was ``undergoing treatment and will remain

hospitalized in the care of his physicians until such

time as they feel confident that his condition has

improved.''

Once released from the hospital, ``there will need to

be a period of recuperation,'' the statement said.

Dylan was forced to cancel an upcoming tour of the

United Kingdom and Switzerland.

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From: "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services"

<PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>

Subject: Dylan News

Comments: cc: bohemian@maelstrom.stjohns.edu

Wednesday May 28 4:04 PM EDT

UPDATE: Bob Dylan Hospitalized With Chest Pains

(adds details)

LONDON (Reuter) - American rock star Bob Dylan called off a European

tour after being admitted to a hospital suffering from a potentially

life-threatening illness, his publicists said Wednesday.

Media reports in London said the 56-year-old singer-songwriter was

hospitalized in New York, but a spokeswoman for Dylan in New York said

her office did not know his condition or where he was being treated.

"This past weekend, Bob Dylan was admitted to hospital suffering from

severe chest pains. His condition has been diagnosed as

histoplasmosis, a potentially fatal infection which creates swelling

in the sac which surrounds the heart," Dylan's London publicists said.

Dylan will remain in the hospital until his doctors are confident his

condition has improved, they added.

In New York, his publicists said they hoped he would be well enough to

go through with a U.S. tour slated for August.

The singer was due to perform in Ireland, Britain and Switzerland

during the summer tour. Van Morrison, who was to appear with him in

London June 7, said he would still perform.

Dylan recently completed a swing through Canada and the Northeast and

last appeared in Los Angeles this month.

Dylan, who released his first album in 1962, is considered one of the

most influential songwriters of his generation.

A number of his early songs -- "Blowin' in the Wind," "A Hard Rain's

A-Gonna Fall," "Masters of War" and "The Times They Are A-Changin"' --

became anthems of the civil rights and anti-war movements of the '60s.

And many of his songs were made hits by other artists, ranging from

Jimi Hendrix to Peter, Paul & Mary.

Dylan clinched his credentials as a mainstream rock artist in 1965

with the hit single "Like A Rolling Stone," off the landmark album

"Highway 61 Revisited." Other Dylan classics include "Subterranean

Homesick Blues" and "Tangled Up in Blue."

Reuters/Variety

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Subject: Re: Why We Shouldn't Study Kerouac

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Alfred Lewen wrote (5-26):

> I think I will have John Sampas autograph my copy of Memory Babe.....

When you do, ask him to contact me. I'd like to make his phone number and

address available to preservation librarians around the country who have

ideas to share with him about the conservation and preservation of historic

books, manuscripts and documents.

j grant

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From: talk dirty to me <mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>

Subject: Re: T-shirts

no prob jeff

everybody will still be here

thanks again

jeremy lawson

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: From: Ron Guest <rguest@SUNSET.BACKBONE.OLEMISS.EDU>

: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

: Subject: Re: T-shirts

: Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 11:23 AM

: Don't worry. there will still be 200 of us around for the t-shirts.

: looking forward to seeing the design.

: At 10:36 PM 5/27/97 -0400, you wrote:

: >Dear Beat-L Members:

: >

: >Before all 200+ of you sign off, please remember that Beat-L T-shirt

list.

: >I ordered enough shirts to cover that list and I certainly can't use 200

: >shirts myself!

: >

: >The Beat-L T-shirt with artwork by S. Clay Wilson will be ready to ship

: >approx.

: >2-3 weeks.

: >

: >I kept my part of the bargain by fronting the money to pay Wilson and to

pay

: >for the shirts to be printed up....Please keep your part of the bargain

: >also...

: >

: >Thanks -

: >

: >Jeffrey Weinberg

: >Beat-L T-shirt Dept.

: >

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From: Tipper Quigg <quigg@INFORAMP.NET>

Subject: What should I read?

I've come to ask the great Beat community what should I read? I've

just finished reading Dharma Bums, and now I don't know what to read...Here

are the books on my list that I still haven't read:

Queer- William Burroughs

Desolation Angels- Jack Kerouac

Vanity of Duluoz- Jack Kerouac

Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac

If you can tell I'm a huge Kerouac fan and Burroughs is right behind

him.... I can't wait for your opinions...

help the economy...buy a Neil Young album...

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:14:55 EDT

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Alan Harrington

I was saddened to see Alan Harrington's obituary in this morning's New

York Times. For those not familiar with Harrington, he was a novelist

friend of Ginsberg, Kerouac and Holmes during the late 1940s. In fact,

it was Harrington who tookHolmes to Ginsberg's party over the July 4th

weekend of 1948 and first introduced him to Ginsberg and Kerouac.

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From: Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: T-shirts

In a message dated 97-05-28 14:07:55 EDT, you write:

<< Don't worry. there will still be 200 of us around for the t-shirts.

looking forward to seeing the design.

Thanks for your note of encouragement....

I am certain that people will stick it out on the Beat-L while we all come to

terms with any hostilities or support we have for other Beat-L members.

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From: Paul Maher <mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject: Re: Why We Shouldn't Study Kerouac

At 03:55 PM 5/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Alfred Lewen wrote (5-26):

>> I think I will have John Sampas autograph my copy of Memory Babe.....

>When you do, ask him to contact me. I'd like to make his phone number and

>address available to preservation librarians around the country who have

>ideas to share with him about the conservation and preservation of historic

>books, manuscripts and documents.

>j grant

>You have a computer use the phone book reference indicator....it is on

every server's web site. Or...if you cannot grasp that try the Lowell

phonebook or quite simply... the operator. I'm sure he would be glad to talk

to you Mr. Grant. Regards, Paul of The Kerouac Quarterly

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Why We Shouldn't Study Kerouac

In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 28 May 1997 17:54:40 -0400 from

<mapaul@PIPELINE.COM>

On Wed, 28 May 1997 17:54:40 -0400 Paul Maher said:

>At 03:55 PM 5/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>Alfred Lewen wrote (5-26):

>>>

>>> I think I will have John Sampas autograph my copy of Memory Babe.....

>>>

>>When you do, ask him to contact me. I'd like to make his phone number and

>>address available to preservation librarians around the country who have

>>ideas to share with him about the conservation and preservation of historic

>>books, manuscripts and documents.

>>j grant

>>You have a computer use the phone book reference indicator....it is on

>every server's web site. Or...if you cannot grasp that try the Lowell

>phonebook or quite simply... the operator. I'm sure he would be glad to talk

>to you Mr. Grant. Regards, Paul of The Kerouac Quarterly

It seems to me that these are personal messages that would have been better se

nt privately than having them posted to the list. Bill Gargan.

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From: "Robert H. Sapp" <rhs4@CRYSTAL.PALACE.NET>

Subject: Re: What should I read?

In-Reply-To: <199705282110.RAA13190@inforamp.net>

hi,

dont necessarily take My Word for it, but I think Desolation A. would be

a good folow up to D Bums. Des is a Great Great great book.

Eric

rhs4@crystal.palace.net

I dont know bout the economy but second the motion!

On Wed, 28 May 1997, Tipper Quigg wrote:

> I've come to ask the great Beat community what should I read? I've

> just finished reading Dharma Bums, and now I don't know what to read...Here

> are the books on my list that I still haven't read:

> Queer- William Burroughs

> Desolation Angels- Jack Kerouac

> Vanity of Duluoz- Jack Kerouac

> Dr. Sax- Jack Kerouac

> If you can tell I'm a huge Kerouac fan and Burroughs is right behind

> him.... I can't wait for your opinions...

> help the economy...buy a Neil Young album...

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From: Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject: charlie and son on road

I had a great time with Charlie and his son Billy. I left them

yesterday (tues) afternoon with wsb and they were all jawing away. I

heard today that wsb reported a great visit was had. I had failed to

find my appc. rose poem which is how i first heard of Mr. Plymell. So

no autograph for me and my hoard.

Charlie had great stories,reports sighting tornadoes in Kansas at the

Oklahoma border and gun shot holes in the old west hotel they stayed

in.. His son was just great, smart, caring neat kid.

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From: Tipper Quigg <quigg@INFORAMP.NET>

Subject: Re: What should I read?

At 05:50 28/05/97 -0400, you wrote:

>hi,

>dont necessarily take My Word for it, but I think Desolation A. would be

>a good folow up to D Bums. Des is a Great Great great book.

>Eric

>rhs4@crystal.palace.net

>I dont know bout the economy but second the motion!

Thank you very much, that is what I was thinking abotu reading...Now

I guess I will....Thanx....Any other suggestions great books?

Tipper

help the economy...buy a Neil Young album...

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Jack and Jazz

May 28, 1997

Mark Noferi writes:

"I think Kerouac did meet many of the musicians through a friend in

the business, an agent, or record company man-- Gerry? or anyone?"

Dear Mark,

Yes, it was both an agent and a record company man--Jerry Newman. I

think the name of his record company was Esoteric, but I could be wrong

(told you all, brain going in old age). Newman recorded jack singing "Come

Rain or Come Shine" and other Sinatra favorites--improvising his own

lyrics!--with a real jazz backup. I have one hour of this stuff, which is

now among the tapes under seal at U Mass, Lowell. Supposedly Newman's widow

has about 20 more hours of such recordings--think about this, Rykodisc!--but

she's disappeared. Anybody heard of her whereabouts?

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Maggie Cassidy

May 28, 1997

John Arthur Maynard writes:

"For example, how come nobody ever seems to mention Maggie Cassidy?

Struck me between the eyes close to 20 years ago, and I'm still struck."

Dear John,

Yeah, it's a great one. And it's in public domain, which means

someone could make a movie of it and not have to pay for rights or royalties.

Seems like some enterprising guys or gals in Lowell could do a

low-budget version that might be dynamite.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

P.S. To Nick Weir-Williams, is this one of the books you're thinking

of reissuing from Northwestern University Press? It would be funny for me,

because I first read MAGGIE CASSIDY in the rare book reading room of

Northwestern University In Evanston, Illinois, one winter day many a long

year ago--it was out of print and I couldn't get it anywhere else. I

remember walking over to Yesterdays (a local campus hangout), grabbing a

burger and coffee, and then walking back thru the snowy streets (how

Kerouacian!) to the rare book reading room to finish the book--and the

librarian niggling at me to be careful because the book was old, a cheap

paperback, and she was afraid I was bending the spine too far open as I read it!

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From: "Dawn B. Sova" <DawnDR@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: What's the word on Dylan?

By now, I suppose that everyone on the list has heard a news blurb that

confirms what Mike told us earlier re: Dylan --- appears to be a dangerous

heart infection and Columbia records is not saying where he is being treated.

A major influence on my life -- I feel as if I am waiting for word about a

family member.

Dawn

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Re: Decorum at Graves

May 28, 1997

John Mitchell writes:

"But, please, do we have to drag in poor Jan's kidneys like Achilles

dragging Hector's corpse seven times around the walls of Troy just to gloat

over a point? The Trojan Horse always wins, the men and women at arms

slain. Please, some decorum at their graves--or, failing that, at least

some rich ripe red very dry wine for strewing [stewing?] their flesh and bones."

Dear John,

It appears Jan has more friends in death than she had in life--just

like Jack, who died alone except for Stella and Ronny Lowe.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From: "Dawn B. Sova" <DawnDR@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Why We Shouldn't Study Kerouac

Dear Bill Gargan:

Thank you for being vigilant and reminding those who violate the standards --

personal attacks are hardly informative -- more usually damaging to the

INtent and CONtent of the list to which I excitedly (if one may be so at age

47!) subscribed a few weeks ago.

Dawn

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From: talk dirty to me <mutton@JANE.PENN.COM>

Subject: Re: T-shirts

the problem with half way creative people is

their lack of comprimise or maybe just patience.

that seems to be this problem and i know everyone

will realize how lame it is to argue. so, bring on the

shirts!

jeremy

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: From: Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

: To: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

: Subject: Re: T-shirts

: Date: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 4:25 PM

: In a message dated 97-05-28 14:07:55 EDT, you write:

: << Don't worry. there will still be 200 of us around for the t-shirts.

: looking forward to seeing the design.

: >>

: Thanks for your note of encouragement....

: I am certain that people will stick it out on the Beat-L while we all

come to

: terms with any hostilities or support we have for other Beat-L members.

: JW