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Date:         Fri, 9 May 1997 22:36:27 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

                                                                        ....

>        Although these manuscripts were purchased primarily from one rare

>book and manuscript dealer, it has always been clear to the library that

>these manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac as

>represented by John Sampas. Furthermore,it has been similarly clear that Mr.

>Sampas would "like" all the Kerouac papers to come to The New York Public

>Library.

>        The New York Public Library has signed a legal deposit agreement

>with Mr. Sampas to temporarily store the manuscript scroll of On the Road....

>

>                                                Sincerely,

>                                                Rodney Phillips

>                                                Associate Director,

>                                                Humanities & Social Sciences

>

>

.... Lowell Celebrates Kerouac ended their relationship

>with the National Park Service because in return for their support they

>wanted to dictate our program (like most government agencies). We chose to

>retain our independence. WE MADE THAT DECISION GERRY NOT THEM. We continue

>to have an amicable, but unofficial relationship with them.

>

 

Phil,                                    May 9, 1997

        I'm really tired of you pouring out nothing but lies and Sampas

propaganda.  Go back to Mr. Sampas and tell him I'm thru wasting my time

with this stuff he gives you to post here..

        I'm answering all the "real" questions--the honest, sincere ones

that I've been getting from Attila and many other people..

        Sampas put Rodney Phillips up to that letter in the LOWELL SUN.

Phillips did Sampas a favor because he was hoping, at that time, that Sampas

really did intend to put all of Kerouac's papers in the New York Public

Library.  Time has shown that Mr. Sampas had no such intention at all.

        Notice how carefully Phillips words his letter:

        "these manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac."

        Provenance means origin.

        Of course, if it's a Jack Kerouac manuscript, it originated in Jack

Kerouac's estate.  SATORI IN PARIS actually came by way of Fred Jordan at

Grove Press.  And, according to Weinberg, BOOK OF DREAMS and MEXICO CITY

BLUES were sold to a private individual, not a dealer.  So stuff was later

resold to the New York Public Library--what does this prove?  What does it

prove even if a few pieces actually were sold directly by Sampas?  We know

that Kerouac retyped all of his novels many times, including ON THE ROAD.

If a library gets only one draft from Mr. Sampas, they haven't got enough

for scholars to study.

        The whole archive needs to be put on deposit, thousands and

thousands of pieces of paper: manuscripts, retyped drafts, notebooks,

correspondence, etc. etc.. Mr. Sampas has been offering a piece here, a

piece there, and waiting for Jan's lawsuit to be dismissed.

        Notice Phillips says they had an agreement with Sampas "to

temporarily store the manuscript scroll of ON THE ROAD."  Really generous of

Mr. Sampas.  What that meant was that HE didn't have to pay storage for it

for a while.

        Now about the National Park ending its relationship with Lowell

Celebrates Kerouac!, I have copies of several of the complaints that were

filed with the National Park Service concerning this organization.  Would

you like me to quote from one?

        This is Brad Parker, President of the Lowell Corporation for the

Humanities, writing to Roger Kennedy of the National Park Service in

Washington, D.C., September 19, 1995:

        "There has not, for years now, been any warm feeling between myself

and the local Kerouac group ... because one of that group tried to verbally

intimidate me in 1988 by telling me that if I did not co-operate with him

and his committee, I would become 'a voice crying in the wilderness,' that

people would play 'hardball' with me, and that the hall I had rented for my

public Kerouac event would be 'taken away' from my organization!  More

recently, 1993, another member of that group verbally assaulted me in public

at one of the Kerouac events they were sponsoring.  And his assault was

aimed at me ... because the biographer I had brought to town had approached

the stage to request that his speech of the following night be announced...."

        There's a lot more.  Care for me to keep going?

        Or should we get Brad Parker on here himself?

        As for Martha Mayo, yes, I talked to her, and she told me Mr. Sampas

and "one other person" had objected to the public having access to my MEMORY

BABE collection at U Mass, Lowell.  However, Martha never seems able to come

up with the name of that other person.

        And finally we learn that Mr. Sampas can't tell us when he's going

to put the Kerouac archive into a library because I'm a "slanderer."  The

reason he never sues me for slander, however, is because what I'm saying is

the truth.

        Besides, Phil, ain't that a non sequitur?

        I'm going to bed.

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 10:56:19 -0400

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From:         Jeanne Vaccaro <SlugBug747@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ginsberg Memorial

 

 Hi... i'm new.  But I needed to respond to this:

 

<<For anyone who's interested, there will be a memorial service and concert

in Ann Arbor on May 24th in honor of Allen Ginsberg.  Patti Smith and

Natalie merchant are playing and i think Anne Waldman is

speaking...There's also some sort of poetry

contest.  As usual, tickets are available through Ticketmaster (does this

seem weird to anyone else??)>>

 

I just spent hours, wasted, trying to get bracelets, standing in lines,

making calls for ticketmaster to see bob dylan (ani difranco is opening) and

i hate ticketmaster, they are evil. tehy have this horrible hold on the

industry and, oh where are the communists where you need them?  i

hatecapitalism...

 

Anyway...this whole list is gr8. you are all 100x more knowlegdable about

this beat stuff than me, but i like hearing your conversations. it's like

evesdropping ...

 

~jeanne

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 10:03:55 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Ginsberg Memorial

 

Jeanne Vaccaro wrote:

>

>  Hi... i'm new.  But I needed to respond to this:

>

> <<For anyone who's interested, there will be a memorial service and concert

> in Ann Arbor on May 24th in honor of Allen Ginsberg.  Patti Smith and

> Natalie merchant are playing and i think Anne Waldman is

> speaking...There's also some sort of poetry

> contest.  As usual, tickets are available through Ticketmaster (does this

> seem weird to anyone else??)>>

>

> I just spent hours, wasted, trying to get bracelets, standing in lines,

> making calls for ticketmaster to see bob dylan (ani difranco is opening) and

> i hate ticketmaster, they are evil. tehy have this horrible hold on the

> industry and, oh where are the communists where you need them?  i

> hatecapitalism...

>

> Anyway...this whole list is gr8. you are all 100x more knowlegdable about

> this beat stuff than me, but i like hearing your conversations. it's like

> evesdropping ...

>

> ~jeanne

 

hey jeanne, nice to meet you.  it is a quiet day on the Beat-L and so

not a great day for eavesdropping.

 

david rhaesa

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 10:20:57 -0500

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From:         Patricia Elliott <pelliott@SUNFLOWER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Beat-L T-Shirt Update

 

Jeffrey Weinberg wrote:

>

> Dear fellow Beat-L members:

>

> I interrupt this Estate stuff to bring you all the latest skinny regarding

> the all-important Beat-L T-Shirt...

 

mr j

> greeeeaaaaat  sanka very much

p

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 11:26:19 -0400

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From:         Diane Marie <HOMZADM@HIRAM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

>

> What's everyone got against Garrison Keillor??

>

 

please help my ignorance...the name sounds familiar, but who is he?

 

Diane.

 

 

 

"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice said.

        "You can't help that here.  I'm mad, you're mad--"

"How do you know I'm mad?" asked Alice.

        "Of course you're mad, or you wouldn't have come here. . . "

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 09:25:00 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Apology

 

                                                                May 10, 1997

        Now it is my turn to apologize for getting hot under the collar with

Mr. Chaput last night.  But I had some cause, besides being tired (and

unwell) after a long day of answering one personal attack after the next.

It is an insult to my integrity for him to presume that I have put 1000's of

hours of my time into two FICTITIOUS causes: the effort to preserve and make

available to scholars the Jack Kerouac archive; and the effort to restore

access to my own MEMORY BABE archive at U Mass, Lowell.  Furthermore, the

hurts that were done to Jan and me were not imaginary.  It was no accident

that Jan Kerouac and I were removed by police from the Jack Kerouac

Conference at NYU, and it was not because of absentmindedness that the

Lowell Kerouac Committee failed to invite either Jan or me to Lowell for 8

years running--a policy of exclusion that began long before anything like a

lawsuit existed against the Sampases.

                                                        Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 18:53:39 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

 

i am dumb!

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 13:52:11 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

At 10:36 PM 5/9/97 -0700, you wrote:

>                                                                        ....

>>        Although these manuscripts were purchased primarily from one rare

>>book and manuscript dealer, it has always been clear to the library that

>>these manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack Kerouac as

>>represented by John Sampas. Furthermore,it has been similarly clear that Mr.

>>Sampas would "like" all the Kerouac papers to come to The New York Public

>>Library.

>>        The New York Public Library has signed a legal deposit agreement

>>with Mr. Sampas to temporarily store the manuscript scroll of On the Road....

>>

>>                                                Sincerely,

>>                                                Rodney Phillips

>>                                                Associate Director,

>>                                                Humanities & Social Sciences

>>

>>

>.... Lowell Celebrates Kerouac ended their relationship

>>with the National Park Service because in return for their support they

>>wanted to dictate our program (like most government agencies). We chose to

>>retain our independence. WE MADE THAT DECISION GERRY NOT THEM. We continue

>>to have an amicable, but unofficial relationship with them.

 

I WILL PUT MY RESPONSE IN CAPS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.

 

AS A MATTER OF FACT GERRY I JUST GOT BACK FROM THE CLEANUP AT THE KEROUAC

PARK AND WE WERE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE PARK SERVICE.THERE WERE OVER

50 PEOPLE HELPING OUT.

 

GERRY YOU SAID THEY CUT OUR FUNDING. LIKE I SAID THAT IS UNTRUE WE MADE THAT

DECISION NOT THEM.

>>

>

>Phil,                                    May 9, 1997

>        I'm really tired of you pouring out nothing but lies and Sampas

>propaganda.  Go back to Mr. Sampas and tell him I'm thru wasting my time

>with this stuff he gives you to post here..

 

GERRY,  THE POST READ THAT IT WAS IN THE LOWELL SUN NEWSPAPER SO WHY WOULD I

NEED TO GET IT FROM JOHN SAMPAS.

 

>Phillips did Sampas a favor because he was hoping, at that time, that Sampas

>really did intend to put all of Kerouac's papers in the New York Public

>Library.

 

NOW PHILLIPS IS IN A CONSPIRACY TOO GERRY I SEE WHAT ROD MEANT ABOUT YOU

BEING PARANOID. SO LETS ADD PHILLIPS TO YOUR CONSPIRATOR LIST, GINSBERG,ANN

CHARTERS, JOHN LASH, HUNTER THOMPSON,FERLINGHETTI,MARTHA MAYO, THE LOWELL

SUN ALL OF THE LOWELL CELEBRATES KEROUAC COMMITTEE,AND ON AND ON............

GERRY IF ENOUGH PEOPLE TELL YOU YOUR DEAD. LAY DOWN.

 

 Time has shown that Mr. Sampas had no such intention at all.

>        Notice how carefully Phillips words his letter:

>        "these manuscripts have as their provenance the estate of Jack

Kerouac."

>        Provenance means origin.

I THINK WE KNOW WHAT PROVENANCE MEANS.

 

>        Of course, if it's a Jack Kerouac manuscript, it originated in Jack

>Kerouac's estate.  SATORI IN PARIS actually came by way of Fred Jordan at

>Grove Press.  And, according to Weinberg, BOOK OF DREAMS and MEXICO CITY

>BLUES were sold to a private individual, not a dealer.

 

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT A DEALER BUYS A MANUSCRIPT FROM JOHN SAMPAS AND

THEN TURNS AROUND AND SELLS IT TO NYPL FOR MORE MONEY. SO WHY WOULDN'T

SAMPAS SELL IT TO THE NYPL HIMSELF AND NOT LOSE THAT EXTRA MONEY? OR IS THE

DEALER LOSING MONEY AND JUST DOING IT OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF HIS HEART?

 So stuff was later

>resold to the New York Public Library--what does this prove?  What does it

>prove even if a few pieces actually were sold directly by Sampas?

 

NOW MAYBE HE DID SELL SOMETHING IS THAT A CONTRADICTION GERRY?

 We know

>that Kerouac retyped all of his novels many times, including ON THE ROAD.

>If a library gets only one draft from Mr. Sampas, they haven't got enough

>for scholars to study.

 

GERRY YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT THE XEROX COPIES IS PRETTY PATHETIC. I THINK IF A

UNIVERSITY WERE TO COPY A MANUSCRIPT OR LETTER IT WOULDN'T MISS PAGES OR

WORDS COME ON GERRY ARE YOU FOR REAL?

 

>        The whole archive needs to be put on deposit, thousands and

>thousands of pieces of paper: manuscripts, retyped drafts, notebooks,

>correspondence, etc. etc.. Mr. Sampas has been offering a piece here, a

>piece there, and waiting for Jan's lawsuit to be dismissed.

 

I THOUGHT YOU SAID HE HASN'T SOLD ANYTHING TO NYPL. NOW HE IS OFFERING A

PIECE HERE AND A PIECE THERE.

 

>        Notice Phillips says they had an agreement with Sampas "to

>temporarily store the manuscript scroll of ON THE ROAD."  Really generous of

>Mr. Sampas.  What that meant was that HE didn't have to pay storage for it

>for a while.

 

SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME.

 

>        Now about the National Park ending its relationship with Lowell

>Celebrates Kerouac!, I have copies of several of the complaints that were

>filed with the National Park Service concerning this organization.  Would

>you like me to quote from one?

>        This is Brad Parker, President of the Lowell Corporation for the

>Humanities, writing to Roger Kennedy of the National Park Service in

>Washington, D.C., September 19, 1995:

 

I DON'T KNOW BRAD AND I HAVE NEVER MET HIM. HE HAS WRITTEN SOME GOOD KEROUAC

STUFF THOUGH. I HAVE HEARD THAT HE IS YOUR MOUTHPIECE IN LOWELL SO IT

DOESN'T SURPRISE ME ABOUT THIS LETTER.

 

>        "There has not, for years now, been any warm feeling between myself

>and the local Kerouac group ... because one of that group tried to verbally

>intimidate me in 1988 by telling me that if I did not co-operate with him

>and his committee, I would become 'a voice crying in the wilderness,' that

>people would play 'hardball' with me, and that the hall I had rented for my

>public Kerouac event would be 'taken away' from my organization!  More

>recently, 1993, another member of that group verbally assaulted me in public

>at one of the Kerouac events they were sponsoring.  And his assault was

>aimed at me ... because the biographer I had brought to town had approached

>the stage to request that his speech of the following night be announced...."

OH MY GERRY THAT SOUNDS SO CRIMINAL!

 

>        There's a lot more.  Care for me to keep going?

 

NO I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE I'M GOING TO PUKE.

 

>        Or should we get Brad Parker on here himself?

>        As for Martha Mayo, yes, I talked to her, and she told me Mr. Sampas

>and "one other person" had objected to the public having access to my MEMORY

>BABE collection at U Mass, Lowell.

 

GERRY IT'S NOT YOUR MEMORY BABE ARCHIVE YOU SOLD IT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER

REMEMBER(THE ONLY BIDDER THAT IS)

 However, Martha never seems able to come

>up with the name of that other person.

>        And finally we learn that Mr. Sampas can't tell us when he's going

>to put the Kerouac archive into a library because I'm a "slanderer."  The

>reason he never sues me for slander, however, is because what I'm saying is

>the truth.

 

BE PATIENT GERRY HE WILL GET AROUND TO IT.

 

>        Besides, Phil, ain't that a non sequitur? IT WOULD BE A NON

SEQUITUR IF GABRIEL HADN'T LEFT STELLA HER ESTATE. GERRY IF SOMEONE TOOK

CARE OF FOR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS WHEN YOU WERE INCAPABLE OF IT WOULD YOU

DISINHERIT THEM?

 

WHY DID JAN KEROUAC DISINHERIT PAUL BLAKE AND LEAVE NOTHING TO HIM?

 

>        I'm going to bed.

GERRY DO THAT. YOU NEED THE REST SO YOU CAN UP AND DO SOME MORE "LOWELL

CELEBRATES KEROUAC" BASHING.

>

>GERRY I HAVE ABOUT HAD IT WITH YOU. YOU REALLY HAVE GONE OFF THE DEEP END

WITH THIS. IT'S AMUSING HOW YOU CAN TURN A QUESTION LIKE . "WHEN DID EDIE

PARKER DIE?" and "WAS JACK ARRESTED AS A MATERIAL WITNESS" INTO YOUR

CONSTANT HARPING ABOUT THE ESTATE MATTERS AND DUMPING ON L.C.K. ITS LIKE I

SAID IT'S YOUR ONLY AGENDA THESE DAYS SO I CAN SEE WHY L.C.K. WOULDN'T WANT

YOU TO SPEAK LIKE I SAID IT'S NOT "LOWELL CELEBRATES LAWSUITS" IT'S "LOWELL

CELEBRATES KEROUAC".

 

I CAN SEE IF I ASK YOU TO STOP BASHING A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS LIKE L.C.K.YOU

ARE JUST GOING TO DO IT TEN TIMES HARDER.

 DON'T BOTHER ME ANY MORE WITH YOUR PATHETIC RAMBLINGS. I SAID I DIDN'T WANT

TO GET IN A PISSING CONTEST WITH YOU BUT I GUESS I DID ANYWAY. IT LOOKS LIKE

YOU CAN PISS LONGER AND FARTHER THAN I SO HAVE A GOOD LIFE AND KEEP PISSING

JUST DON'T TURN INTO THE WIND. YOURS TRULY, PHIL CHAPUT

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 19:56:29 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

 

i am dumb!

i am dumb!

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 23:04:01 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      commie or beat?

In-Reply-To:  <970510105159_-164231775@emout02.mail.aol.com>

 

        WHEN THE NEST IS EMPTY                  rants

 

 

        Oh where are the beats where you need them?

 

                        Welcome to the club

                                where everybody cares

                                        WHO u are

 

>oh where are the communists where you need them?  i

>hatecapitalism...

>

>

>~jeanne

>

                CHILDREN RETURN TO No 10

                For the first time in nearly 50 years

                children were preparing to move into 10 Downing Street

                The children attended a lunch at

                Downing Street to celebrate their victory.

 

        Peeper's pence

        said he

        would punish himself by

        halving his salary for six

        month's for peeping into a

        women's bath.

 

                ANTIGANG PLEA

                 TO CHILDREN

                FROM DEATH ROW

 

                I never felt

                remorse.

                That was the

                madness of it.

 

 

Roland Topor, french writer, died of a stroke in Paris

aged 59. he was born on january 7, 1938.

 

                considered a

                mediocre stu-

                dent

 

        Topor's books were of all kinds, they ranged

        from Alice in the Letterland, a children

        book

        dedicated to Lewis Carroll, through a joke

        book

        with

        one

        word

        per

        page

 

his own death

        after several days in a coma

                following a brain haemorrhage

                        only half confirms one of

                                the aphorism

                        in

                        his recent book

        "All's true that ends badly, & quickly."

 

i haven't lost

anyone yet

 

                        LITTLE VENICE

                        2 BED WHITE

                        STUCCO WHITE

                        PICTORESQUE

                        CANAL

 

plants which

grew in the churchyard

were thuoght to be

especially powerfull

 

 

Rinaldo

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 17:15:46 -0600

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From:         John Mitchell <mitchell@AUGSBURG.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.BSD/.3.91.970509171539.7477A-100000@crystal.palace.net>

 

When Keillor and Co. organized a centennial birthday party for F. Scott

Fitzgerald a few months back, they cleaned up Fitzgerald's language to make

it politically correct, that is, sensitive, for a marathon reading in St.

Paul of The Great Gatsby, to some sneering behind the scenes about

censorship and a little bit of cautious protest publically.  But it was

high toned farce at last, a party whose function was to serve Keillor's

literary sense of himself, not Fitzgerald.  I would say, keep Keillor away

(you can't, really--he has sponsors) from the Beats; he thinks he's cool,

hip, yup, Beat, plus ordinary folks thrown in for good measure, but Lake

Woebegone is his imaginary capitol of a literary monarchy, for which he is

Lord of the Flies, which he controls absolutely, and which you enter at the

peril of your own voice.  (He brooks no competition.)  He's got voice, but

it ain't Beat--its post-Colonial egalitarianism with a Lutheran provincial

twist, as if his favorite drug were vaseline.  He's Howl with scented

Kleenex and Lysol, for the humor, of course, Keillor being far superior to

his own jokes on the rest of us, yet still our local radio friend.  I'm

sure he will do his best to bestow his literary largesse and bop husbandry

upon the Beats. // John M.

 

>granted i don'

>t like the idea either of rewriting his prose, but my suggestion of what

>to be done is -- if you dont like it ignore it! i mean, organize a

>PROTEST?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

>

>Eric

>

>On Fri, 9 May 1997, Bill Philibin wrote:

>

>> > featuring Garrison Keillor (!!??) and friends 'updating some classic OTR

>> > chapters for a '90s audience. (PMWIP)

>>

>>         What ?!?!?  Please say that this is a typo....   What kind of

> "changes"

>> are going to be done?  Who is the "Author" of these so called Changes...

>> Is dean going to be looking to score some crack?  IMHO OTR is already a

>> timeless piece of literary excellence...

>>

>>         Is there any one we can write to to inquire about such things?  And

> maybe

>> protest against the Changing of JKs words?

>>

>>         You just ruined my year...

>>

>>         -Bill

>>

>> [  email: deadbeat@buffnet.net  |  web: http://www.buffnet.net/~deadbeat  ]

>> |"A good question is never answered.  It is not a bolt to be tightened

>> | into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the

>> | hope of greening the landscape of idea."

>> |

>> |                                                       -- John Ciardi

>> [---  ICQ UIN = 188335  --|--  PrettyGoodPrivacy v2.6.2 Key By Request --]

>>

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From:         Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cast of Characters

 

In a message dated 97-05-08 04:49:29 EDT, you write:

 

<< In my ignorance I guess I was under the mistaken impression that John

Sampas

 was one of Stella's brothers, a guy pehaps in his 60-70's.  >>

 

John Sampas is Stella's brother. Jim Sampas (a guy in his 30s or so) is a

nephew, I'm not sure what brother's son.

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 18:47:10 -0400

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cast of Characters

 

In a message dated 97-05-10 18:24:42 EDT, you write:

 

<< Jim Sampas (a guy in his 30s or so) is a

 nephew, I'm not sure what brother's son. >>

 

The dead one....

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 16:12:56 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: New JK books for Fall

 

..... the PW article says the following. (Disclaimer - *I* am

>not saying this, don't flame me)

>

>"After Kerouac's death, rights to his works were owned by his widow, Stella,

>wh refused to release any unpublished work. After Stella dies in 1989, John

>Sampa, executor of Kerouac's estate, and Lord {the agent Sterling Lord, JK's

>original agent, I think? NWW} sold to Viking all of Kerouac's unpublished

>materials."

>

>

>This suggests to me that, as I suggested last week, the publication of

>unreleased material is being controlled not by the estate as such, but as

>business decisions by the publisher. But i didn't know that 'all' the

>unpublished material had been sold - so presumably the estate has a mighty

>big advance for that already tucked away. It's hard to believe that Sterling

>Lord could really have allowed seven JK books to go into public domain (I'm

>not being antagonisitic, Gerry or disbelieving, it's just such a basic mistake)

>

Dear Nick,     May 10, 1997

 

        All I had heard was that Sampas made a 6 book deal for unpublished

Kerouac with Viking Penguin in 1993, just weeks before MEMORY BABE got

(coincidentally?) kicked out of Viking Penguin.  This included the two

volumes of letters, SOME OF THE DHARMA, BOOK OF BLUES, WAKE UP, and one

other.  I don't see how Sampas could sell them "all the unpublished Kerouac"

since there are literally hundreds of notebooks filled with writing that was

never published (many of them breast pocket notebooks), and future books

will have to be carved out of them by an astute editor.  Can he sell books

that have not yet even been assembled???

        OKAY, here's the report from Thomson & Thomson, considered the

foremost copyright research authority in the business.  This particular

report was prepared for Jan's copyright lawyer Herbert Jacoby by Timothy J.

Herbert.

        It lists the following books as without copyright renewal.  All of

Kerouac's books fell under the old system, which meant the copyright had to

be renewed after 28 years from date of publication, with a one year grace

period.  Since all of the books below are past that one year grace period,

they are, to the best of my knowledge, in public domain:

        THE AMERICANS (only the text by Kerouac, not the photographs, of course)

        BIG SUR

        BOOK OF DREAMS (only the text published by City Lights in 1961; note

the original manuscript was much larger than what was published by City

Lights, and so much of the original text is still unpublished and belongs to

John Sampas.)

        EXCERPTS FROM VISIONS OF CODY (the New Directions special edition,

published in 1960) (about 1/3 of the final text, I believe)

        MAGGIE CASSIDY

        PULL MY DAISY (only Jack's ad-libbed text by Grove Press, published

in 1961; the song was renewed by Amram et al. in 1988.)

        SCRIPTURE OF THE GOLDEN ETERNITY

        TRISTESSA

        OLD ANGEL MIDNIGHT (the two excerpts published in BIG TABLE in 1959

and in EVERGREEN REVIEW in 1964.)

        Well, you don't believe Sterling Lord is responsible?  Jan signed an

agreement with the Sampases in 1986 (so that they would finally pay her the

royalty income she was due).  That agreement confirmed that Stella and Jan

should split ownership of the copyright renewals, and it made Stella's

agent, Sterling Lord, Jan's agent too--for the rest of her life!  It also

said that Lord would be "both parties' representative of said renewals."

        I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know who was responsible.  Mr. Lord?

Mr. Sampas?  Mr. Sampas's lawyer?  There may be a malpractice suit here

worth millions to someone, but it requires investigation.

        For the time being, I'm out of the loop, since Mr. Lash has got me

tied up in a challenge to my executorship in the appellate court of Santa

Fe, New Mexico.

        Best always, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 16:43:29 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: A Question for G. Nicosia/not Estate related!!

 

At 02:06 PM 5/9/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello Gerry,

>

>Someone recently passed on to me an extra copy of the Grove

>Press Publication of _Memory Babe_ (mine is

>is disarray) and as I was perusing this copy I noticed

>that pgs 97-128 were missing.  There has been no

>tampering with this copy (pages ripped out, etc.), as far

>as I can tell because there would be obvious signs

>(the gap in the binding).  Was there problems w/

>the orginal publishing, or did I stumble upon a

>misprint?  Just curious.

>

>Thanx,

>Mike

>

Dear Mike,   May 10, 1997

 

        I never heard of such an error.  Maybe some collector would want it

(like an error in a postage stamp?)  You might ask Jeffrey Weinberg if book

misprints are as valuable as those in stamps and coins.

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 17:05:01 -0700

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From:         "s.a. griffin" <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

At 11:27 PM 5/9/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-05-09 21:32:49 EDT, you write:

>

><< What's everyone got against Garrison Keillor?? >>

>Obviously nothing if you're from Lake Wobegon.

>C. Plymell

>

 

he ain't jack. . .

 

xxxooo

s.a.

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 17:08:11 -0700

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From:         "s.a. griffin" <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

 

At 06:53 PM 5/10/97 +0200, you wrote:

>i am dumb!

>

>

 

congratulations!  you win!

 

 

xxxooos.a.

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 20:40:56 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

In a message dated 97-05-10 13:54:36 EDT, you write:

 

<< NOW PHILLIPS IS IN A CONSPIRACY TOO GERRY I SEE WHAT ROD MEANT ABOUT YOU

 BEING PARANOID. SO LETS ADD PHILLIPS TO YOUR CONSPIRATOR LIST, GINSBERG,ANN

 CHARTERS, JOHN LASH, HUNTER THOMPSON,FERLINGHETTI,MARTHA MAYO, THE LOWELL

 SUN ALL OF THE LOWELL CELEBRATES KEROUAC COMMITTEE,AND ON AND ON............

>>

 

Were all these people conspirators? I knew it all along! How many were

paranoids? And does paranoia prevent candor? I've seen all the double dealing

bullshit I need. Back to the Johnsons and the Shits. And let history mark you

who are fucking up.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 01:36:17 +0100

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From:         "m.d.fascione" <m.d.fascione@CITY.AC.UK>

Subject:      test

 

test

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 20:50:29 -0400

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From:         Michael Stutz <stutz@DSL.ORG>

Subject:      Re: your mail

In-Reply-To:  <m0wQFOt-000rF2C@gpnet.it>

 

On Sat, 10 May 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

 

> i am dumb!

 

i am birdbrain!

 

 

Was downtown (Cleveland) today for first meeting of Linux user's group, got

out at noon and wife & I drove past rockhall to see Kesey etc. Nothing

really going on (it'd rained all morning and was dark & gloomy) but some

band was playing in front of the building to about 150 people, mostly

neohippies and family yuppie types. No sign of new magic bus, Pranksters or

Kesey. Went home.

 

Drove back into town later in afternoon to stop by local music rag office

and pick up this month's review CDs; drove again past rockhall -- this time

it wasn't raining and no Kesey or Pranksters or bus, didn't get that close

this time but still had camera and thought about taking a picture of one of

the many day-glo yellow CLINTON SUCKS stickers plastered on telephone poles

down East 9th Street, main drag of town, last November election time which

nobody since has bothered to remove ... but was sick with headache too bad to

get out of the car, barely made it home, got a slow-leaking flat on one of

my tires and plan on drinking red wine tonight. Hope someone else has a

better Kesey story, 'cause I feel rotten today.

 

m

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:15:24 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

Gerry:

DORKS IN THE LIT BUSINESS. It was bad enough with back stabbing poets.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:15:25 -0400

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From:         Jeanne Vaccaro <SlugBug747@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: your mail

 

i cannot belive you all actually KNOW all these artists...

oh man <sigh>

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:18:12 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins

 

In a message dated 97-05-09 20:30:29 EDT, you write:

 

<< As someone who's done a fair amount of Kerouac lit. criticism I'm

 astonished by your grasp of DR SAX.  What you say is not only solid

 criticism but it's also fun to read.  >>

 

Gerry:

So Pam said to me awhile ago when that Lost Generation thread came up -- that

movement's writers had similar styles. In the Beat writers there are similar

"trace elements" and varied styles, but my pleasure in reading Dr. Sax and

casting the whole critique in a poor metaphorically fight ring did produce

another insight: That is Kerouac was steeped in the university canons of the

50s, many of which were venturing into the expatriates, Joyce etal. It seems

Kerouac was swinging quite heavily, really fighting towards (for?) Epiphany,

which was a deeply engrained battle of the mind in the history of literature.

Kerouac's contemporaries may have dumped this so to speak, especially

Burroughs whose canvas was more like Pollocks until he went ballistics... as

future literacies seem look at the broad canvas conceptually or

minimallisctically, looping back upon the quantum, or whatever else has

mainframed Postmodernism  to a mode of rhetoric rather than a movement.

I was also reminded while reading the book of just how Allen mimicked

Kerouac's "voice". I assume it was that way rather than the other way around.

Even in all the little innuendos and inventions.

Is it true what was in the Kesey post about Allen's last words?

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:21:06 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: (Please Read) Re: New JK books for Fall

 

In a message dated 97-05-10 02:55:43 EDT, you write:

 

<< I have nothing against him, but the image of  a lp "Rod Mckuen Reads Allen

 Ginsberg," comes to mind. >>

 

Allen once said he would read with Rod McKuen and me. Rod McKuen read one of

my poems on the BBC. I thought he did a good job. No matter what you say Rod

McKuen is a poet and Garrison Keiler is not, if that's your line. He's a kind

lyric poet with lines no more pathetic than Bobby Dylan. He admits when he

does horseshit which few poets of fame will do, because they can sucker in

all the little pricks that don't know the difference. Nothing against you by

the way. You might read McKuen's Art of Catching Trains and you might take

Robert Peters quiz in that is in Where the Bees Suck and Hunting the Snark.

 If you don't know who Robert Peters is, then I'm pretty much wasting my

time.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:25:02 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Dr. Sax vs. Last of the Moccasins

 

PS: Michael Buchenroth has done a fantastic job building a site for me. He

has posted my Gale Research Contemporary Authors Autobiography, if you are

interested. It was also published in Beat Scene in serial form and in Atom

Mind. This will provide you with my background and my stint with the Beats.

Thanks. I can sympathize with the non-exclusive treatment that fame and its

baggage gobbles up, sometimes leaving one with one hand on the baggage and

one hand paying the ticketmaster. Maybe those gen-xs have something going

after all.

C. Plymell

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:33:08 -0400

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From:         Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: A Question for G. Nicosia/not Estate related!!

 

In a message dated 97-05-10 19:47:58 EDT, you write:

 

<< You might ask Jeffrey Weinberg if book

 misprints are as valuable as those in stamps and coins. >>

 

In the case of the Memory Babe misprint, there is no extra worth attached to

such a copy...But you should send the copy to Gerry and ask him to sign it

for you anyway.

Just don't forget to add return postage....

JW

Water Row Books

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 22:15:42 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: your mail

 

Red wine

Slow leaking tire

An old poster of Clinton sucks

One hand on your baggage

and the other trying to pay the ticketmaster

 

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 22:39:49 -0400

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From:         Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cast of Characters

 

That'd be "Curly".

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:54:54 -0600

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From:         R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

 

Waste not, want NOT!!!! Get off the net and get smart then!

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 22:55:28 EDT

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From:         Greg Elwell <elwellgr@JUNO.COM>

Subject:      William Burroughs on Beatles Cover

 

Hey,

 

Most of you probably noticed this already, but if you haven't, I figured

that I would point it out anyway.  I was looking at the cover of "Sgt.

Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band" today, and I realized that William

Burroughs is actually on the cover.

 

 

Greg Elwell

elwellg@voicenet.com     -or

elwellgr@juno.com

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 22:34:07 -0600

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From:         R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

Subject:      (Please Read) Re: JK books for fall

 

Hello Charles & All Concerned:

 

I hope the Garrison Keillor thing is purely rumor in regards to

having his hands on JK text or any other text for that matter. I

have to live in the same town with that moron. I'm not sure how well

any of you know how GK operates=97I for one know too much. During the

F.Scott Fitz. 100 th. Birthday Celebration the prick along with Pat

 (PLEASE GIVE ME MONEY) Hampl, censored original text because of racial

passages-to quote: Pat Hampl: We wanted to make his text more

politically correct for a '90's audience. Of course, the media tried to

cover up as much shit on the local scene as possible but it didn't

work out the way they planned. Believe me, the TC area is just as guilty

as the next for white-washing facts. The fact is: GK, PH, & company are

dangerously conservative robots that would conform to anything with a

buck in it. We have a very strong sub-culture here that goes

unnoticed-and we like it that way. We write, paint, and sculpt for a

universal audience-I play the blues in the 'hood and hang

with the brothers on their turf. And the news from the hood in regards

to the above was just another slap in the face from GK & Company. In the

words of one young warrior: They treat us like kids hopin' we don't take

offence and do some L.A. burnin' "They all fucked-up Richard,

youzalwhite-you tell 'em for all us homies." Well, I told you, and I

really hope it's all a lot of B.S with those oh-so-politically-correct

jerks. My night is ruined. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Richard D. Houff

Pariah Press

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 00:25:36 -0600

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From:         R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

Subject:      Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but what the hell

 

Hello Charles,

 

I just recieved a letter from Robert Peters. He sends his best to you

and thanks for bringing us together. I'll be with Bly on June 5 th, and

of course there will be a lot of ball-busting from yours truly. I

can hardly wait to discuss Robert Peters "Hunting The Snark." For me,

an absolute brilliant piece of work. I had mentioned how bad I felt

having not included him in the "Scorched Hands" anthology. I wished

Simon Perchik would've brought it to my attention-a major oversight on

my part. He was amused, however, that I had several of his books

shelved in-between Maurice Maeterlinck, and Edgar Lee Masters. You

were right-on Charles about his "Selected Poems" from Asylumn Arts.

Along with the two titles from your Cherry Valley Editions (Ludwig of

Bavaria / & Blood Countess-both awesome works!) it's amazing how a man

of his stature can be-and is-neglected by the acadame and mainstream

press. I wonder why they're so afraid?

 

Richard Houff

Pariah Press

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 01:38:02 -0400

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From:         "Dawn B. Sova" <DawnDR@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

Dear Charles Plymell:

 

Thank you --- and Amen to your response!!

 

Dawn

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 22:38:49 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Ciao, Rinaldo!

 

Caro Rinaldo,      il 11 maggio, 1997

 

        Mio padre Pietro, chi e morto in 1972, a parlato italiano

(siciliano) con mia nonna.  Ho studiato italiano in scuola trenta anni fa,

ma io ho dimenticato molti parole.  Non ho viaggiato in Italia mai, ma

voglio vedere Italia, e specialmente sicilia, avante che io moriro.  Miei

parenti  sono venuto di Cannicatti e Girgenti.  Posso leggere italiano

meglio che posso scrivere in italiano, aloro lei puo mi scrivere in italiano

e io lo capisco (capiscero?) bene.  Signor Sampas pensero che c'e un grande

cospirazione e egli andra trovare un traduttore per lui aiutare!

        Lei verra in California qualche anno?  Voglio cucinare un pasto

italiano per voi e presentare a voi mia sposa Elena e mia figlia Emilia, che

si chiama Wu Ji in cinese.  Emilia (Wu Ji) a due anni, et noi l'abbiamo

adottato in Cina.

        Spero che io non ho parlato troppo malamente!

        A domani, Geraldo

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Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 23:07:17 -0700

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From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Here in Railroad Earth

Comments: To: race@midusa.net

 

David,

 

Well it was a good "Gun"--Randy Quaid as a lecherous country club

president with nice bits by Darrel Hannah, Sean Young and especially

Jenniffer Tilly with that voice and featuring handcuffs.  Some good

writing.  Reminds me why I love Southern women.  All that evil

repartee.

 

Think I'll slide slowly off to sleep or else to nightmare. or else see

whether the TV talking heads still think that the S$M whiskey buggery is

going to put the kibbosh on a new stadium for the Niners, and be

reminded that I am missing the Black and White Ball on the waterfront in

SF.  Oh well.

 

James

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 05:10:46 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      mother's day

 

wishing all the Mother's on this list a very Happy day !!!

 

david rhaesa

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 07:32:39 -0500

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From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject:      finishing of Desolation Angels ...

 

i'm becoming more Beat by the day it seems.  i just concluded Desolation

Angels.  it was a very very slow read for me b/c the bleakness and

peaceful sorrow, all these notions just hit so hard directly where i am

and have been for sometime...

 

even found myself jotting down notes on a pad (that i'll likely lose

soon) of phrases i identified with to the innards of my bones...

 

i think it is overdue at the library so i'll have to get it back soon.

B4 becoming more Beat-literature, i think i'll pull a couple books off

my shelf that have been gathering dust and look for insight ...

 

JK writes "Eternity? Here and Now? Wat they talkin about? "  (his

imagination of his Mother's viewpoint)  Mozart on his death bed must

have known this -- and Blaise de Pascal most of all ...

 

so the Kerouac's will get lugged back to the library and the Pascal will

come down from the shelf.  I'll continue to lurk and jab here and there

while i give myself a pascalian-marrow-transfer and then move into

another phase of Beat-literacy when the operation is performed

successfully.

 

david rhaesa

salina, kansas

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 14:54:53 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      una poesia per Gerald Nicosia

In-Reply-To:  <199705110538.WAA23046@denmark.it.earthlink.net>

 

Cari amici beat,

Toto' il grandissimo attore napoletano, interprete

di numerosi bellissimi film e' anche un poeta

ecco una sua poesia in dialetto napoletano

 

                'O sole         by Antonio De Curtis in arte Toto'

 

        Io songo nato addo' sta 'casa 'o sole.

        'O sole me cunosce 'a piccerillo;

        'o primmo vaso 'nfronte - ero tantillo -

        m'ha dato quanno stevo 'int' 'o spurtone.

        E m'ha crisciuto dint' 'e braccia soje,

        scanzanname 'a malanne e malatie.

        'O sole! 'O sole... e' tutt'a vita mia...

        Io senza 'o sole nun pozzo campa'.

 

 

--------------------

i hope Gerry has

no difficulties

to understand the

beatific feeling

of the Toto' verses

 

cari saluti da

Rinaldo.

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 14:40:23 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      (rants) i'm a dumb dummy beet beat

 

>Return-Path: <owner-beat-l@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Date:         Mon, 5 May 1997 14:28:13 EDT

>Reply-To:     "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>From:         Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>Subject:      Re: I swore I'd stay out of this but what the hell

>To:           Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>

>Timothy, what a wonderful idea!  100 messages x 250 or so a day.  Just

remember

>to reply directly to Rinaldo not to the list.

>

>

be beet! be beat!! be bee!!! be!

Good Sunday time, Bill & Timothy,

i take a just week to reply to th

e above sentence, 'cuz of i must

have loooooooooooooong period for

a serious reflexion 'bout the flo

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

(thnx L. for the suggestion...),n

w, now, my cells brain in a week

are diminished, & perhaps the rep

ly is better, i'm wonder to any

person invited some

body to crash

my email box, particu

larly a beat.

there's who thinks i'm tempted to

crash the beat-list server? to hac

k the listserver or destroy the li

st? the above sentence written by

Bill seems in this way, & don't

in my opinion knows what really is

communicate, writing even a zillion

of posts to the Beat-List really a

matter of life, of heart not only

spread light ray trhu fibre to &

from the ocean, & u are'nt consider

ing this purpose of the list, U had

invited a beat to destroy a mailbox

of another beat! what's etichs is

that?

 

        RANTS by a not competent beat

 

        dummy-run

                is dumb,

 

        dummy-run

                is bum

 

        dumb    is dummy

        dum     is bum

 

 

yrs rinaldo.

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 14:43:51 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      (don't read this if u are'nt italian)

 

cari beat,

ci sono degli italiani sulla Beat-List,

se si' mandatemi un reply

 

rinaldo@gpnet.it

 

grazie in anticipo da

Rinaldo.

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 15:01:18 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

In-Reply-To:  <199705110008.RAA28975@calvin.usc.edu>

 

>At 06:53 PM 5/10/97 +0200, you wrote:

>>i am dumb!

>>

>>

>

>congratulations!  you win!

>

>

>xxxooos.a.

>

>

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 15:03:55 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Get off the net and get smart then!

 

>Return-Path: <owner-beat-l@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Date:         Sat, 10 May 1997 21:54:54 -0600

>Reply-To:     stand666@bitstream.net

>Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>From:         R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

>To:           Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>

>Waste not, want NOT!!!! Get off the net and get smart then!

>

>

i appreciate yr opinion sir...

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 09:08:54 -0400

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From:         William Morgan <Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ginsberg's archive

 

Dear Gerry:

Thanks for your reply concerning the date on the poster, Sept. makes more

sense.  By that time Stanford had possession of Allen's papers, although it

will take them years and years to catalogue and make everything available.

 That's just the fact of life with large collections and library staff

budgets.  You might want to be careful about saying that Columbia didn't have

a chance to buy the collection.  They had possession of the collection for

nearly 30 years and were offered it on several occasions.  They bought only

small groups of materials, i.e. the Kerouac letters to Allen, but they never

were able to make a commitment to buying the entire collection.  In truth,

Allen always wanted his papers to be there, he had strong feelings for

Columbia, but again, what would you have had him do?  Give his papers to

Columbia and live in his 4th floor walk-up until he died of a heart attack on

the stairway?  [No one guessed he would die anyway of liver cancer, or he

might have done something different with the collection]  He used the money

to support his friends, as usual, and buy an apartment with an elevator (the

one requirement that he had).  In addition to that he was finding it

increasing difficult to administer his own archive and that was becoming

expensive and time-consuming.  Each person who wanted access to the

collection had to go through Allen, since Columbia did not own it, they

needed his written permission for each person.  You must have needed the same

okay from the Ginsberg office.  You can imagine how much time this required

for all the requests Allen received.  Now Stanford handles all that and

access is much easier and more democratic.

As far as selling to the Japanese, I'm wondering if you thought that

statement over before you said it?  Why would it be wrong for a Japanese

University to buy the Ginsberg or Kerouac collection?  It would be more

inconvenient for you or me to use the materials, but easier for Japanese

scholars.  Isn't this pretty close to being a racist comment?  I don't refuse

to look at the Rembrandt's or Van Gogh's at the Metropolitan Museum even

though they were taken from Europe by American industrialists at the turn of

the century with loads of cash.  Should I only look at the paintings on trips

to the Netherlands?  Maybe time for a reality check about money, why

shouldn't people (Ginsberg, Sampas family, Jan, you, me) sell things for

their true value?  At least in Allen's case, he did a lot of good work with

that money, i.e. giving all the money from the Gap ad to Naropa Institute;

supporting a legion of poets over the past 40 years, paying me to organize

his photo collection, etc.  We may not like the decisions people make, they

may sell items to people in the Middle East, Japan or Timbuktu, but if they

legitimately own something they have the right to do with it what they will.

 I love the work of the Beats, obviously, but I don't think their papers fall

into the category of "national treasures".  They're world-wide treasures.

 

I hope you'll try not to bring Ginsberg into this too much since he isn't

around to add any light on the situation.  Your earlier mention that Allen

"refused" to help Jan puzzled me a little.  Did he really "refuse" or was he

just too busy to respond to your request at that time.  Doesn't really sound

like Allen to refuse to help anyone, does it?

 

How did I get going on that?  Hope all goes smoothly in your quest to verify

the legitimate owners of the Kerouac materials.

 

Yours,

Bill Morgan

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 09:11:05 -0400

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Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         William Morgan <Ferlingh2@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Literary History of the Beats

 

Dear Clay:

No truth on this publication.  Allen has done a series of lectures on the

History of the Beat Generation which could someday appear as a book, but

there is nothing in the works.

Bill Morgan

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 15:07:57 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      Re: your mail

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.3.94.970510204212.1796C-100000@seka.nacs.net>

 

At 20.50 10/05/97 -0400, you wrote:

>On Sat, 10 May 1997, Rinaldo Rasa wrote:

>

>> i am dumb!

>

>i am birdbrain!

>

>

>Was downtown (Cleveland) today for first meeting of Linux user's group, got

>out at noon and wife & I drove past rockhall to see Kesey etc. Nothing

>really going on (it'd rained all morning and was dark & gloomy) but some

>band was playing in front of the building to about 150 people, mostly

>neohippies and family yuppie types. No sign of new magic bus, Pranksters or

>Kesey. Went home.

>

>Drove back into town later in afternoon to stop by local music rag office

>and pick up this month's review CDs; drove again past rockhall -- this time

>it wasn't raining and no Kesey or Pranksters or bus, didn't get that close

>this time but still had camera and thought about taking a picture of one of

>the many day-glo yellow CLINTON SUCKS stickers plastered on telephone poles

>down East 9th Street, main drag of town, last November election time which

>nobody since has bothered to remove ... but was sick with headache too bad to

>get out of the car, barely made it home, got a slow-leaking flat on one of

>my tires and plan on drinking red wine tonight. Hope someone else has a

>better Kesey story, 'cause I feel rotten today.

>

>m

>

Kesey story is life!

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 15:11:49 +0200

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From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      mother's day

 

>Return-Path: <owner-beat-l@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 05:10:46 -0500

>Reply-To:     race@midusa.net

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>From:         RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

>Subject:      mother's day

>To:           Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>

>wishing all the Mother's on this list a very Happy day !!!

>

>david rhaesa

>

me too,

my mother

born

in 1926

in

green

mountains

in

the

italian

alpine

lands

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 11:24:21 -0400

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From:         Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

Phil,

 

Why are you copying your own posts and then responding to your own words?  Is

this supposed to bolster your argument?

 

Also, why not try a new line of attack?  Your constant SHOUTING of the same

themes adds nothing new to the debate.  You say Gerry is trying to tear

people down, but that's all I see you doing... attacking him, and not very

well at that.  Your posts look like an attempt to simply take Nicosia "off

message"... to muddy up the works with empty accusations, forcing him to deal

with issues that have little to do with what is really important.

 

Phil, why not interject something Positive into the mix?  Whether he's right

or wrong about the will being forged, Gerry is at least trying to do what he

can with his attempt to keep the archives preserved forever.  You even

complimented him on that yourself in your post dated 4/30/97.  What are you

doing besides hammering on Gerry?

 

 

Phil, in that same post you indicated you wanted to help the situation in

some fashion.

 

>"What, Gerry, will it take for you to end your feud with the Sampas family?

 Tell me,

>maybe I can help.".

 

You seemed to indicate a willingness to act as go between with Nicosia and

Sampas.  Do you see Sampas around town?  Do you talk to him regularly?  Are

you really in a position to somehow try to broker a settlement?

 

I trust if you're really in a position to do something positive you will make

the attempt and keep all of us on the Beat-L posted.  What do you say?

 

 

Jerry Cimino

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 11:15:01 -0500

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Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         "E.j.C." <beat@SKY.NET>

Subject:      linux

In-Reply-To:  <3.0.1.32.19970511150757.00698810@pop.gpnet.it>

 

sorry to be off-subject.

Just curious. How many Linux users are there on Beat-L?

 

-j-EnnIfEr c.

 

> >Was downtown (Cleveland) today for first meeting of Linux user's group, got

> >out at noon and wife & I drove past rockhall to see Kesey etc. Nothing

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 13:05:55 -0400

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From:         Phil Chaput <philzi@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

At 11:24 AM 5/11/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Phil,

>

>Why are you copying your own posts and then responding to your own words?

Is this supposed to bolster your argument?

>

Jerry, I respond by hitting reply on my mailbox and the entire text of

Gerry's message appears. Then I use caps to make it easier for people to see

my response and I even state that at the beginning of the post. I realize

that using all caps is not proper netiquette. IT'S NOT SHOUTING. That is why

I make the statement at the beginning of the post.

>

>Also, why not try a new line of attack?  Your constant SHOUTING of the same

>themes adds nothing new to the debate.  You say Gerry is trying to tear

>people down, but that's all I see you doing... attacking him, and not very

>well at that.  Your posts look like an attempt to simply take Nicosia "off

>message"... to muddy up the works with empty accusations, forcing him to deal

>with issues that have little to do with what is really important.

>

>Phil, why not interject something Positive into the mix?  Whether he's

right or wrong about the will being forged, Gerry is at least trying to do

what he can with his attempt to keep the archives preserved forever.

 

 Big deal he wants the archives preserved forever. Everyone on this list

would like the archives preserved forever. I would like all great authors

works preserved forever. Does that make me some big hero? I also would like

all of Bill Gates money to go to fighting aids. I would also like world

peace, to end hunger, whatever. Why wouldn't you think John Sampas would

want the archive preserved forever.

         I AM doing something positive by working hard with "Lowell

Celebrates Kerouac" to promote Kerouac. He is doing all he can to destroy

L.C.K. How, may I ask is this helping his cause of getting the archives

preserved forever. He wants John Sampas to give Paul Blake Jr. money when

Jan Kerouac herself didn't leave him anything at all. She disinherited him.

 

>  You even complimented him on that yourself in your post dated 4/30/97.

What are you doing besides hammering on Gerry? Phil, in that same post you

indicated you wanted to help the situation in some fashion.

 

Your right I give credit where credit is due. But if someone lies about the

facts constantly and relates people to Hitler what hope is there of a mutual

agreement?

>>"What, Gerry, will it take for you to end your feud with the Sampas

family?  Tell me,maybe I can help.".

 

>You seemed to indicate a willingness to act as go between with Nicosia and

>Sampas.  Do you see Sampas around town?  Do you talk to him regularly?  Are

>you really in a position to somehow try to broker a settlement?

 

Of course I know him. Yes I see him around town. Yes I talk to him. Yes I'm

sure Gerry will say that's why I am doing this. I am my own man and this is

what I believe not what John Sampas tells me to say like Gerry would lead

you to believe. I say what I think nobody puts me up to anything. Yes I am

in a position to help but Gerry's position is that Stella is a criminal and

that she forged the will. If you knew Stella Kerouac you would know how

ridiculously far fetched this is. How can anyone smooth something like that

over? That is his main argument and it is a preposterous and totally un

logical one. Gerry is so frustrated by the fact that Jack didn't leave Jan

or Paul Blake anything. Jack Kerouac is the only one to blame for this. Not

the Sampas family.

 

Gerry knows quite well that John Sampas has placed numerous items in the

Berg collection at the NYPL. I have in front of me eight pages of items that

the Sampas family has placed in the Berg collection of NYPL. Why does he

distort the truth and act like the Sampas family has never done anything

good.  He also knows that John didn't shut down the archive at U-Lowell. But

he continues to lie about the issues to make himself look like a big hero.

You tell me what I can do and I will do everything I can but I have to say I

am very pessimistic about the outcome.

 

>I trust if you're really in a position to do something positive you will

make the attempt and keep all of us on the Beat-L posted.  What do you say?

 

I say start by telling Gerry to stop bashing people like L.C.K. I can assure

you many of the hard working volunteers (especially the young ones) have

never even heard of Nicosia or Sampas. So what does he want. Maybe we should

just dissolve the entire organization and not promote Kerouac at all. Is

that what he wants. Even if the Sampas family had never given one red cent

to promote the festival. Gerry's agenda of promoting a lawsuit would not be

appropriate for a Kerouac celebration and I think the members of the beat-l

would agree. Phil Chaput-Lowell Mass.

 

P.S. By the way can you send me catalog Jerry? My address is:

                                                         Philip Chaput

19 Wannalancit St.

                                                         Lowell, Mass.01854

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 21:13:56 +0200

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Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject:      refrain

In-Reply-To:  <2.2.32.19970511170555.0068dd8c@pop.tiac.net>

 

Cari amici beat,

nella mia mente si aggira questo ritornello

 

                refrain

 

        my darling child

        my darling baby

 

        my darling child

        my darling baby

 

        like a swing...

 

 

 

ripetuto all'infinito,

 

 

ricorda la madre, alla quale Giuseppe Ungaretti,

the poet who stand up as friend with Allen Ginsberg,

dedica una poesia bellissima che ora trascrivo:

 

                LA MADRE

                  1930

 

        E il cuore quando d'un ultimo battito

        Avra' fatto cadere il muro d'ombra,

        Per condurmi, Madre, sino al Signore,

        Come una volta mi darai la mano.

 

        In ginocchio, decisa,

        Sarai una statua davanti all'Eterno,

        Come gia' ti vedeva

        Quando eri ancora in vita.

 

        Alzerai tremante le vecchie braccia,

        Come quando spirasti

        Dicendo: Mio Dio, eccomi.

 

        E solo quando m'avra' perdonato,

        Ti verra' desiderio di guardarmi.

 

        Ricorderai d'avermi atteso tanto,

        E avrai negli occhi un rapido sospiro.

 

 

 

i hope there's

an american

translation

of this

wonder poem,

 

yr rinaldo.

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 12:53:21 -0700

Reply-To:     stauffer@pacbell.net

Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

Subject:      Inadvertent message

 

I would like to apologize for my late post last night--backchannel late

night ramblings inadvertently posted to the list by this bumbling

Beatler

 

Happy Mothers Day to the Mothers! and Frank Zappa.

 

James Stauffer

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 16:51:38 -0400

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Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Mick Parsons <mparsons@BIGBOY.NETCRAFTERS.COM>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

In-Reply-To:  <2.2.32.19970511170555.0068dd8c@pop.tiac.net>

 

hey all...

I've been silently listening to this argument since it started, and while

i believe wholeheartedly in free exchange and defense of postion, these

flamings (whether intentional or not) aren't constructive to the probelm

at hand... Gerry, and Phil have made both thier positions abundantly

clear, and I think they both have their points... but at this point in the

discussion, there is only 2 ways to proceed:

1) work towards some kind of compromise, because it doens't look like

either side will win, and all of us will lose out in the end.

 

2) walk away from the table and leave it to the lawyers, becasue they're

the only ones who will benefit from all this hooha, and agan, we ALL LOSE

OUT.

 

I am not trying to jump on anyone's case, I just would like to see the

discusison go somewhere besides in circles.

 

from the peanut gallery,

mick

 

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"I know the passionate lover of fine style exposes himself to the hatred

of the masses;  but no respect for humanity, no false modesty, no

conspiracy, no universal suffrage will ever force me to speak the

unspeakable jargon of the age, or to confuse ink with virtue."

 

Mick Parsons                                     -Baudelaire

mparsons@netcrafters.com

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 14:25:33 PDT

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Sender:       "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

From:         Mike Pearson <digress@ELLENSBURG.COM>

Subject:      Know beat, what of I do?

 

At 02:40 PM 5/11/97 +0200, you wrote:

 

 

>        RANTS by a not competent beat

>

>        dummy-run

>                is dumb,

>

>        dummy-run

>                is bum

>

>        dumb    is dummy

>        dum     is bum

>

You're right, I am beat Beat BEAT

       Apologies Angels Avatars Anachronisms Allegories

                Not a one 'til we deme it so

                        I'm off.  always a little off.

        Please accept my  ...uh... anachronisms?

Felicitations you bring out the beat in me

    Can do?     beater than this  ....a primal  Survibrations

                    My Heart, a Slave?  Beates

                      What do I know?  Thee Creates

        Those who watch us, tax us

        Disciplinus -- do we learn? Latin word.

        Quintessential Dan -is he quintessential WASP

                Is WASP quintenssental Roman?  Is color prettinent,

                or else sound?

        Aint Rancisco the pinnacle of evolution

         other metro's

        nipping jealously at the Golden Calves

        Do Sugar Loaf Intentions count? (One... two..., one two three ! Color!)

                Lombardy misquoted? Win the real game -- subscribe now!

        What do I know of beat?  My Heart,  a Slave?

        Repeat a good line.  I saw the best generations of my mind

        Narcissus -tically.

 If only I could see it your way

 

 

 

www.ellensburg.com/~digress

 

"We recognize that there are no trivial occurrences in life if we get the

right focus on them."

 

     -- Mark Twain,  1906

        quoted in  _Susy and Mark Twain: Family Dialogues_

        arranged and edited by  Edith Colgate Salsbury

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 18:00:41 -0500

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From:         jo grant <jgrant@BOOKZEN.COM>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

In-Reply-To:  <2.2.32.19970511170555.0068dd8c@pop.tiac.net>

 

>At 11:24 AM 5/11/97 -0400, you :

>Phil Chaput wrote,

 

>But if someone lies about the

>facts constantly and relates people to Hitler what hope is there of a mutual

>agreement?

 

You should re-read that post. You have it wrong.

 

j grant

 

 

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 19:36:05 EST

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From:         MORE OXY THAN MORON <breithau@KENYON.EDU>

Subject:      Pranksters hit Cleveland

 

Kesey and the Pranksters hit Cleveland about 2:30 in the afternoon, just after

Donavan finished a set (which I missed). A good size crowd cheered ( I am no

good at guessing numbers) as they pulled up with about five people on the roof,

one waving a large American flag. Ken Babbs took to the microphone for a bit

while they de-bussed and answered some questions. Country Joe came on and did a

great set including the Woodstock version of the FISH CHEER. After Joe the

Pranksters came on and Ken led then in a version of G-L-O-R-I-A.

 

Big Brother and the Holding Company finished up with a Janis clone who was

actually pretty good. I thought it was a bit depressing though, to go and make

a living this way with the Janis clone but hopefully, they do it only on

special occaisions.

 

The reception was from 7-9 and was fun because you got to see the musuem

menbers in their glitzy wear contrasted with the Pranksters, still in

Prankster-wear. I asked Ken Babbs about joining BEAT-L and he said

"Yeah...someday maybe..." he was pretty tired and had had a few drinks so who

knows. Kesey was asleep and showewd up later on and by that time, I forgot to

ask him about joining BEAT-L. They fired up the "Thunder Machine" which is a

combination go-cart and one-man-band. Ken was inside speaking through a

microphone which boomed through the whole musuem. Babbs was another microphone

while someone plucked on some stings on the side while another beat on the

built-in drum. The few leftover Pranksters took some of Ken's weed and fired up

a big bowl, damn, it was a pretty fine time, the food was good and the booze

was un-limited.

 

AS for the exhibit, I WANT TO TAKE YOU HIGHER, is well worth a look if you are

in the Cleveland area. It was not as extensive as I thought but what they had

was great....Some Hunter Thompson letters, the guitar Lennon used during his

and Yoko's 8 day bed-in, a lot of Bill Graham's stuff, Mouse Studio posters,

you get the picture...

 

Finally, Kesey's play TWISTER will open in NYC in about a month. Viking will

release the combo book and video at about the same time. Excuse the lame

description of the events but I am still a bit tired. When I finally left the

reception, the bus was still parked out front in the dark, except for a black

light inside that made the whole day-glo interior catch on fire, ah, what a

sight that was. My daughter kissed the bus on the hood before a guard chased us

away.

 

Dave B.

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 17:04:41 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Ginsberg's archive

 

....  You might want to be careful about saying that Columbia didn't have

>a chance to buy the collection....

>As far as selling to the Japanese, I'm wondering if you thought that

>statement over before you said it?  Why would it be wrong for a Japanese

>University to buy the Ginsberg or Kerouac collection?  It would be more

>inconvenient for you or me to use the materials, but easier for Japanese

>scholars.  Isn't this pretty close to being a racist comment?.....

....Your earlier mention that Allen

>"refused" to help Jan puzzled me a little.  Did he really "refuse" or was he

>just too busy to respond to your request at that time.  Doesn't really sound

>like Allen to refuse to help anyone, does it?....

>

>Yours,

>Bill Morgan

>

Dear Bill,               May 11, 1997

        I didn't say Ginsberg shouldn't have sold his archive to Stanford.

I just said the fact that Columbia was going to be upset by the fact that

they "lost" it was reason enough for Allen to keep his negotiations secret.

I'm still waiting for Mr. Sampas or his supporters to explain WHY--if he is

indeed engaged in secret negotiations with the NY Public Library--HE TOO

NEEDS TO KEEP HIS NEGOTIATIONS SECRET?

        As for the Japanese, Allen and I were talking about PRIVATE JAPANESE

COLLECTORS, not Japanese universities.  With a Chinese daughter, I'd be the

last person to make racist remarks against the Asians!  But I do think that

the Beats are AMERICAN cultural treasures, and I think their archives ought

to remain here, if possible, just as I deplore the continual smuggling of

Italian Renaissance masterpieces out of Italy by some of the big auction

houses--because the paintings bring more money outside of Italy.

        I wrote Allen well in advance of the Jan Kerouac benefits.  He

didn't answer. So I called him, and he started screaming at me that he "had

no money to give."  I told him we didn't want money; we just wanted him to

donate something, even a book.  He then fell back on the argument that he

couldn't "get involved, couldn't take sides," even though I explained the

money would also help Jan with medical expenses.

        Not only did Allen never send anything for the auction, he told

several people not to help Jan.  He told Herb Gold to stay away from the

benefits (I have this direct from Herb Gold), and he told Gary Snyder not to

perform after I'd sought Gary's assistance.  (I don't have that direct from

Gary, but have it from folksinger Utah Phillips, who's Gary's neighbor and

friend.  Utah did come down to SF and perform for Jan.)

        Allen was a great man and a great writer, but I will resist the

attempts to deify him (just as I've never deified Kerouac, who had a huge

dark side, was enormously self-destructive, and hurt a lot of the people in

his life, including his daughter Jan).  Allen had lots of blind sides (women

represented a big one), and at times he had amazing gaps of compassion (he

was not a saint, sorry).  Ask some of Corso's friends, like George Scrivani,

how they feel Ginsberg let Gregory down over and over again.

        Allen's rejection of his goddaughter Jan remains one of the cruelest

things he ever did--especially when he waved police on to take her out of

NYU, where she had asked to speak for only 5 minutes.

        I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 20:13:59 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Robert Peters brilliant piece

Comments: To: stand666@bitstream.net

 

Richard:

When the arts are determined by parks departments and we honor our poets

through ticketmasters and Moloch, the CIA, and the academe are one, Robert

Peters becomes a big bad wolf.

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 20:48:59 -0400

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From:         Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ginsberg's archive

Comments: To: gnicosia@earthlink.net

 

In a message dated 97-05-11 20:30:50 EDT, you write:

 

<< Allen had lots of blind sides (women

 represented a big one), and at times he had amazing gaps of compassion (he

 was not a saint, sorry).  Ask some of Corso's friends, like George Scrivani,

 how they feel Ginsberg let Gregory down over and over again.

         Allen's rejection of his goddaughter Jan remains one of the cruelest

 things he ever did--especially when he waved police on to take her out of

 NYU, where she had asked to speak for only 5 minutes.

         I calls 'em as I sees 'em. >>

Gerry:

Those amazing gaps of compassion made our relationships with Allen eventually

cordial. Maybe that was the best way. He sat at Burroughs' dinner table and

edited a poem of James and one of mine. Someone mentioned that that wasn't

necessary and he joked and said that's what I do for a living. It seemed then

that I was talking to his father, Louis. It appeared then that he was trying

to "put many things in order", he even mentioned an old quarrel about Peter

inspecting the beams in my house and said it was Ed the Hermit's idea which

was surprising to me because it had nothing to do with much of anything

except his interpertation. There was a time I could scream at him for what I

perceived as hiprocrisy, but maybe it all just comes to an end with just

correcting the manuscripts. To think just how far his gaps of compassion

could reach would, in Pound's words, "trouble my sleep".

Charles Plymell

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Date:         Sun, 11 May 1997 18:02:23 -0700

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From:         Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: ESTATE DETAILS

 

.....

1)Why wouldn't you think John Sampas would

>want the archive preserved forever....

>    ....2) He is doing all he can to destroy

>L.C.K....3) He wants John Sampas to give Paul Blake Jr. money when

>Jan Kerouac herself didn't leave him anything at all. She disinherited him....

4) Yes I am

>in a position to help but Gerry's position is that Stella is a criminal and

>that she forged the will....That is his main argument....

>5) I have in front of me eight pages of items that

>the Sampas family has placed in the Berg collection of NYPL. Why does he

>distort the truth and 6) act like the Sampas family has never done anything

>good. 7) He also knows that John didn't shut down the archive at U-Lowell. But

>he continues to lie about the issues to make himself look like a big hero....

>

>8) I say start by telling Gerry to stop bashing people like L.C.K....9)

Gerry's agenda of promoting a lawsuit would not be

>appropriate for a Kerouac celebration .... Phil Chaput-Lowell Mass.

 

Dear Phil,     May 11, 1997

 

        In the heat of the night here a few nights ago, exhausted and

punchy, I called you a liar.  Next morning I immediately apologized.  I

realized that a word like "lie" or "liar" is inflammatory, and this debate

needs to be cooled down.  But you turn right around and call me a "liar" and

add insult to injury, claiming once again that I'm just a glory-seeker.  My

record of Beat scholarship, writings, and lectures represents years and

years of hard, hard work.  I hardly need to defend myself on that score.

        But you continually put false words in my mouth; make false

assertions; and make me waste hours and hours of my time refuting things I

never even said in the first place.  Whether or not John Sampas has put you

up to this, it certainly works to his advantage, when right now I need to be

doing a lot of other things besides unsaying things I never said.

        It's like I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning and find that you

have claimed:

        "Gerry Nicosia wants to see John Sampas shot by a firing squad.

        "Gerry Nicosia has advocated the city of Lowell be burned to the ground.

        "Gerry Nicosia has earned ten million dollars by working for Jan

Kerouac."

        So then I have to patiently explain how I never said or did any of

those things.

        Come on!  You can't expect me to play this game forever.  And I'm

not going to.  I will proceed to demolish your credibility right here, and I

ask Beat-List readers to realize that, if I don't answer Mr. Chaput's next

25 charges, it is because they have as little to do with reality as the

above ones:

        (Please note: I have added numbers to Mr. Chaput's arguments to make

my refutation clearer.)

        1)  John Sampas refused to cooperate with Weinberg's attempt to sell

Kerouac's archive to the Bancroft.  Sampas stood up Tom Staley, from the U.

of Texas, who had come to Mass. to discuss acquiring Kerouac's archive for

the Humanities Research Center.  Mr. Sampas still claims he wishes the

material to go into the New York Public Library, but after 6 years he still

hasn't signed even a "statement of intention."  In the meantime, he has sold

off hundreds of pieces of the Kerouac archive to private dealers and

collectors.  That's why.

        2) Let's get this STRAIGHT, Phil.  YOU brought Lowell Celebrates

Kerouac! into this argument, not me.  As one of your personal attacks on me,

you grouched that I had never donated money to LCK!  So I proceeded to tell

you why I had never donated to them, which is principally because they have

been a one-sided, partisan affair (a mouthpiece for the Sampas family) from

the very beginning.  And the National Park Service has been sent numerous

complaints to this effect.

        3) Jan did not disinherit Paul Blake.  She did not put him in her

will because SHE FULLY EXPECTED TO SEE HER CASE AGAINST THE SAMPSES GO TO

TRIAL in a few months, to win in Florida, and to share the winnings with

Paul Blake, Jr.  She knew that if Stella's will was disqualified, Paul would

get a full third of the multi-million dollar estate.  It was more important

at the time for her to provide for her exhusband, who is a struggling

writer, and her half-brother, who is quite poor and raising a young son.

Like Jack, Jan did not expect to die as quickly as she did.  Had she lost in

Florida, I'm sure she would have put Paul into her will.

        Besides, she gave the Blake family considerable financial assistance

while she was alive.  She bought hundreds of dollars of clothing for Paul

Jr's homeless son, Paul III, in Nevada, and she gave Paul a couple of

thousand dollars to buy tools for his trade and to get his teeth fixed.  She

would have done more had she been able to afford it--and had Mr. Sampas not

been chipping away at her income.

        4)  I never said anywhere that STELLA SAMPAS FORGED GABRIELLE'S

WILL.  My position is that until further handwriting analysis is done, WE

DON'T KNOW WHO FORGED THE WILL.  This is PURE PHIL CHAPUT invention, and I'm

growing damned tired of it.

        5) Rodney Phillips showed me that list, and almost everything on it

was XEROXES of letters, etc., not original manuscript.  See my earlier post

to Attila about why xeroxes are much less useful for textual scholarship.

        6) I never said "the Sampas family never did anything good."  AGAIN,

THIS IS YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH AGAIN.  I just finished a post a few

nights ago saying how much help Tony Sampas had given me on my biography,

and how much I appreciated Tony's nonpartisan spirit.

        7) Martha Mayo, librarian at U Mass, Lowell, Special Collections,

has thus far GIVEN ME THE NAME OF ONLY ONE PERSON WHO OBJECTED TO PUBLIC

ACCESS TO THE MEMORY BABE COLLECTION: JOHN SAMPAS.  If there are others,

let's have her finally reveal them!

        8) Again, guy, you, not me, dragged LCK! into this.

        9) Now we have the "MR. CHAPUT CONVENIENTLY IGNORES EVERYTHING I'VE

SAID IN PAST POSTS" trick.  I have repeatedly reminded Mr. Chaput that the

Lowell Kerouac Committee practiced A POLICY OF EXCLUSION TOWARDS ME AND JAN

FROM ITS INCEPTION IN 1988.  Jan's lawsuit was not filed until mid-1994.

        For the tired Beat-List readers, I'll try to conclude all these

exchanges soon with a big over-view, and get us out of this smoke and mire

of nonsense charges that Mr. Chaput is promoting.

        Best, Gerry Nicosia

 



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