beat list 1997

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:39:21 -0700

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From: "s.a.griffin" <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

Subject: tecnique & reason

Answer:

1) because it's there.

2) it lights me up and makes me go. self medicating. makes me big and

small at the same time. opens the good 'ol "doors of perception" (at least

one or two anyway). it makes me laugh and laughter is contagious.

3) (I digress) if you took pot away from the people there would probably be

teeming masses of throbbing pissed off drunks looking to kick the world's

collective ass by any means necessary.

4) relieves stress. physical, emotional, spiritual.

6) people's

peaceful

peace pipe of

peace

protruding with

plentiful

pot

6) comic relief.

7) relieves cramps (Lorraine)

xxxooo

s.a.

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:47:57 -0500

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: tecnique & reason

s.a.griffin wrote:

> Answer:

> 1) because it's there.

> 2) it lights me up and makes me go. self medicating. makes me big and

> small at the same time. opens the good 'ol "doors of perception" (at least

> one or two anyway). it makes me laugh and laughter is contagious.

> 3) (I digress) if you took pot away from the people there would probably be

> teeming masses of throbbing pissed off drunks looking to kick the world's

> collective ass by any means necessary.

> 4) relieves stress. physical, emotional, spiritual.

> 6) people's

> peaceful

> peace pipe of

> peace

> protruding with

> plentiful

> pot

> 6) comic relief.

> 7) relieves cramps (Lorraine)

> xxxooo

> s.a.

the use of two "6's" and the omission of a "5" was a beautiful poetic

touch.

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:01:13 -0400

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From: Sean Elias <SPElias@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: neo-beat

In a message dated 97-05-01 00:43:14 EDT, you write:

<< Kathy Acker stomped past me in Lawrence >>

Beat K.A.?

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:20:13 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: tecnique & reason

1 2 3 4 6 6 7 ??? (see below)

says it all

(yeah cheap shot-I make typos all the time--but hard to resist)

>Answer:

>1) because it's there.

>2) it lights me up and makes me go. self medicating. makes me big and

>small at the same time. opens the good 'ol "doors of perception" (at least

>one or two anyway). it makes me laugh and laughter is contagious.

>3) (I digress) if you took pot away from the people there would probably be

>teeming masses of throbbing pissed off drunks looking to kick the world's

>collective ass by any means necessary.

>4) relieves stress. physical, emotional, spiritual.

>6) people's

> peaceful

> peace pipe of

> peace

> protruding with

> plentiful

> pot

>6) comic relief.

>7) relieves cramps (Lorraine)

>xxxooo

>s.a.

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:21:19 -0700

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: tecnique & reason

>s.a.griffin wrote:

>> Answer:

>> 1) because it's there.

>> 2) it lights me up and makes me go. self medicating. makes me big and

>> small at the same time. opens the good 'ol "doors of perception" (at least

>> one or two anyway). it makes me laugh and laughter is contagious.

>> 3) (I digress) if you took pot away from the people there would probably be

>> teeming masses of throbbing pissed off drunks looking to kick the world's

>> collective ass by any means necessary.

>> 4) relieves stress. physical, emotional, spiritual.

>> 6) people's

>> peaceful

>> peace pipe of

>> peace

>> protruding with

>> plentiful

>> pot

>> 6) comic relief.

>> 7) relieves cramps (Lorraine)

>> xxxooo

>> s.a.

>the use of two "6's" and the omission of a "5" was a beautiful poetic

>touch.

Just like that guy who can take the curves way better after a few brewskis

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:29:17 -0700

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From: "s.a.griffin" <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

Subject: exploding text/allen ginsberg tribute may 10th

O.K. kids, here is something to chew on. . .

All submitted to and approved by Listmaster Gargan.

I am to be a part of a Ginsberg tribute May 10th at Beyond Baroque in

Venice, Ca. Aside from myself, there will be a long list of names

including: John Thomas, Wanda Coleman, Ellyn Maybe, Jerry Rubin, Laurel Ann

Bogen and on. . . it will be quite an evening. In the tradition of those we

talk about, think about and look to here on the list this came to me.

I will alter/add to Ginsberg's piece "On Burroughs Work" then e-mail to

whomever wishes to participate by altering/adding. Then send it back and so

on via backmail to me until it is "finished" or the week is up. It is

imperative that whomever jumps onto this trip works fast. Not much time to

think about it, and in the rules of J.K.'s spontaneous writing, it's what

works best. I will take the completed project with me to the said tribute

and read/perform it for the folks there. I will also print/publish it on

Rose of Sharon Press and give it away to those at Baroque and to those on

the list who participate or wish to have a copy (please s.a.s.e., I ain't

rich). THESE WILL NOT BE SOLD ONLY GIVEN AWAY.

I thought that this was a creative way to approach this in the spirit of

Allen and the beats. Bring it into the present and out of the clambake of

nostalgia by launching him into cyberspace where he will spin far longer

than if he were to be launched into good old outer space.

Backmail was the only way I could see doing this as there would be

absolutely no way to control the beats beast otherwise.

Some of you might think this is juvenile, silly or sophomoric. . . well,

bless you; it will give you something to talk about at the very least. I

wanted you all to come with me on my adventure, The Twisted Caddy is gassed

up and ready to roll down the international superhighway of words kids,

let's go. . .

xxxooo

s.a. griffin

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:33:02 -0700

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From: "s.a.griffin" <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

Subject: technique & reason

ditto

timothy,

and I wasn't

even

stoned. . .

xxxooo

s.a.

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:37:15 -0700

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Attila's Facts and Errors

Dear Attila and Beat-L Family, April 30, 1997

It's late, I came back from Albuquerque only to have to spend a day

running around northern California with a British film crew that is doing a

full-length documentary on Jan Kerouac's life and fight to save her father's

papers, so I can't fully answer all of Attila's questions right now.

But I just have to say, whoa, everyone, please don't take Attila's

"facts" as a starting point because some of them are vastly, 180 degrees WRONG.

Jan Kerouac was not on Medicaid. You have to make less than $600 a

month and she made far too much to get on. She was on a special program at

Lovelace Hospital which was relatively inexpensive for certain aspects of

her care, but she had to pay for the dialysis fluids, medications, bandages,

treatment by specialists, and many other things out of her own

pocket--ambulances for emergency hospitalizations, etc. etc. When she lived

up near me the summer of 1995, when her immune system was failing and she

had a huge blister on her foot that wouldn't heal for six months and caused

her intense pain, I used to drive her to the drugstore almost every day, and

I watched her shell out twenties like we used to spend quarters at our

boyhood candy store. When she died, she actually left something like ten

thousand dollars in unpaid medical bills. Remember, too, that her eyesight

was so bad that she had to take cabs everywhere--esp. down in Albuquerque

where there wasn't much public transportation (and sometimes she was too

sick or in too much pain to ride a bus anyway), and often too sick to cook

her own food and so had to eat out a lot. Her expenses were far more than

what yours or mine would be.

A woman on life support, and all you Sampas fans crying about how

much money she was making--I think you all ought to be ashamed. Nobody's

crying how much money Sampas is making, which has been ten times what Jan

made off her father's work--and Sampas is not on life support (that I know).

And it was money from her own father, for Christ's sake!

You've also got the whole Albuquerque thing about as wrong as you

can. I did not sue John Lash. Jan made me her literary executor in her

will, and the Second Judicial Court in Albuquerque granted me testamentary

letters, which are the official confirmation that I am her literary

executor. John Lash, after making his deal with John Sampas, went to court

in Albuquerque to try to get me thrown out--just so I couldn't carry on

Jan's case against the Sampases. He has not succeeded, and hopefully never

will. At present, I AM Jan Kerouac's literary executor with full authority

over all her literary properties.

OK, I'm hoping you really want the truth. I'll have some more

answers for you, and everyone else, tomorrow.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From: James Stauffer <stauffer@PACBELL.NET>

It's just always seemed to me that life seems to produce a need for

medication. Pot's one of my favorites. Get's a wonderful internal

dialogue going if you like that sort of thing which seems to attract a

lot of us with literary tendencies. But I also like a glass of wine or

so in the evening also. There are lots of options. Doesn't seem to

work for everyone. Some folks prefer nothing. I've gone through long

periods of my life where I was just tired of smoking dope, after nearly

20 years of pretty much daily getting high. Felt it tended to make me

sort of autistic rather artistic. But I've been taking periodic

refresher courses. Different drugs affect us differently. Different

metabolisms, brain chemistries and belief systems. To each his own.

But I would hate to think of having missed reading something really

good, or really great music or film while nice and loaded. Plus which

the sort of perception that pot is about is pretty central to what

drives Beat Lit.

J Stauffer

s.a.griffin wrote:

> Answer:

> 1) because it's there.

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From: Jerry Cimino <Bigsurs4me@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: PHIL CHAPUT-REBUTTAL

Thanks for your reply, Phil. And I salute your offer to act as a bridge

between Nicosia and Sampas. I truly hope something positive can come of it.

Respectfully,

Jerry Cimino

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From: Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: London bookstores

You're right of course. What I meant to type was that they *sell* new books,

as opposed to the second-hand stalls at Camden Lock. I sold books to them in

the 70's too! But, hey, go easy, turns out we share the same birthday (April

26). And 18 years of Tory misrule of my home country ends TODAY!

>In a message dated 97-04-30 10:18:43 EDT, you write:

><< Compendium is a new bookstore,

> but a lot of Beat stuff, including otherwise hard-to-find newsletters and

> even some bootleg cassettes, tho' that was some years back. >>

>NEW? Nick. I was there in 68. Sold books to them in 70's. What year is it,

>anyway?

>C. Plymell

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From: Nick Weir-Williams <nweir-w@NWU.EDU>

Subject: Re: neo-beat

I did meet up with her at a conference in Philadelphia ... I guess because

we talked a lot about Grove, who she publishes with, it made me think

'beat'. Anyhow this 300 lb 6'4" cab driver arrives to take her to the

airport, takes one look at the punk apparel and the nose and navel rings and

tries to make a run back to his cab and safety, but Kathy spots him and

hauls him off..

>Kathy Acker stomped past me in Lawrence like I pinched her ass or something.

> She was there to represent the punk contigent, I believe.

>C. Plymell

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:58:35 -0400

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From: Jeffrey Weinberg <Waterrow@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: kerouac releases and a question...

In a message dated 97-05-01 02:21:37 EDT, you write:

<< and _selected letters vol.1_

been released but also selections from _wake up_ were published in

"tricycle", and the "nouvelle francais" pieces, as well as the White

letters were pblished as well. on top of this waterrow is issuing a plate

from keruac travel diaries over a sketch he did (is that right jeffrey?) >>

Sorry, Derek - you've got it almost 1/2 right....

The Kerouac "plate" you mention is a print done on a letterpress by a fine

Massachusetts printer. The project was done back in 1991 and is titled

"Visions Of America." The print features a Kerouac drawing and the text

excerpt from a Kerouac travel journal in which Jack writes about his journey

by car with Neal and Carolyn through Arizona on the way to Mexico, 1952. This

was a limited edition project

with only a few hundred copies produced. I still have a copy or two available

for sale at the original publication price - email me for more information if

interested in ordering....

Thanks -

Jeffrey

WRB

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: May Day Blues

i've been checking my door, mailbox and e-mail (even my bathroom window)

every ten seconds or so since three this morning hoping to catch a

maybasket.

hope y'all get maybaskets.

this can be an imaginary cyber-basket on May Day. include what ever you

like in yours.

david rhaesa

haven't got the old may Pole out yet. i think it's rusty.

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Dylan-Plymell

Charlie Plymell, I love your reminiscences, and wonder when (or if you have

already) written a book of them. But here's a slight correction. I may be

mistaken, but I could swear Al Aronowitz told me he'd introduced Dylan to

Ginsberg in 1961-1962. (Aronowitz was the guy who did the great 1959 NY

POST series on the Beats, and later was their rock pop columnist in the

Sixties, the guy who introduced Dylan to the Beatles and gave the Beatles

their first hit of marijuana, etc.) We could all find out if somebody

emailed Al, who's considered himself the Blacklisted Journalist for the last

two decades, at blackj@bigmagic.com.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From: Guy Norbury <GuyNorbury@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Tom Waits

Yeah. That's Waits all right. He stars in "Down by Law" along side

Roberto Bennini.

-Guy

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:44:23 -0700

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From: "s.a.griffin" <perrotta@CALVIN.USC.EDU>

Subject: may 10th tribute to ginsberg

There will be a tribute to Allen on Saturday, May 10th, 6p.m. at Beyond

Baroque Literary Arts Center, 681 Venice Blvd., Venice, Ca. (310) 822-3006,

fax (310) 827-7432

HOWL TO THE BARD

Hubert Selby, Jr.

Doug Knott

Mark Salerno

Wanda Coleman

Michael C. Ford

John Feines

Rob Cohen

Harry Northup

Philomene Long

Michael Lally

Laurel Ann Bogen

Eve Brandstein

Lewis MaCadams

S.A. Griffin

Michael Silverblatt

Austin Strauss

Quincy Troupe

Michael Simmons

Liz Belile

Aram Saroyan

Ellyn Maybe

John Thomas

Jordan Jones

FranCeye

Jerry Rubin

David Ulin

Exene Cervenkova

Frank T. Rios

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Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:36:32 -0400

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From: lablugirl <lcrev@LAW.EMORY.EDU>

Subject: Anyone here?

Hi. When I last checked this morning, I was on the list, reading along

contently. Is it just me or am I the only one not getting mail sonce

I've returned from my lunch?

- Lorri

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From: Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: kerouac releases and a question...

What I I think I said was:

1.) In regard to the "specific" release of material in LA NOUVELLE REVUE

FRANCAISE, excerpts from those two texts I detailed in my post, the material

released was SO BRIEF, and so minor as to be of little value in terms of our

getting a sense of the whole work. As such, this gesture on the part of the

Estate seemed (in this case) more an act of miserliness, than an act of

generosity. I didn't state, or even imply, that they have been ungenerous

with the bulk of the material they have released since Stella's death, i.e.

all those obvious items you listed.

2.) As for quality, I referred only to the poor quality of newsprint-type

paper used in the first printing of BOOK OF BLUES -- not the quality of any

of the works themselves!

Ya gotta read ALL the words, Derek! CHEERS! Rod

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From: RACE --- <race@MIDUSA.NET>

Subject: Re: exploding text/allen ginsberg tribute may 10th

s.a.griffin wrote:

> O.K. kids, here is something to chew on. . .

> All submitted to and approved by Listmaster Gargan.

> I am to be a part of a Ginsberg tribute May 10th at Beyond Baroque in

> Venice, Ca. Aside from myself, there will be a long list of names

> including: John Thomas, Wanda Coleman, Ellyn Maybe, Jerry Rubin, Laurel Ann

> Bogen and on. . . it will be quite an evening. In the tradition of those we

> talk about, think about and look to here on the list this came to me.

> I will alter/add to Ginsberg's piece "On Burroughs Work" then e-mail to

> whomever wishes to participate by altering/adding. Then send it back and so

> on via backmail to me until it is "finished" or the week is up. It is

> imperative that whomever jumps onto this trip works fast. Not much time to

> think about it, and in the rules of J.K.'s spontaneous writing, it's what

> works best. I will take the completed project with me to the said tribute

> and read/perform it for the folks there. I will also print/publish it on

> Rose of Sharon Press and give it away to those at Baroque and to those on

> the list who participate or wish to have a copy (please s.a.s.e., I ain't

> rich). THESE WILL NOT BE SOLD ONLY GIVEN AWAY.

> I thought that this was a creative way to approach this in the spirit of

> Allen and the beats. Bring it into the present and out of the clambake of

> nostalgia by launching him into cyberspace where he will spin far longer

> than if he were to be launched into good old outer space.

> Backmail was the only way I could see doing this as there would be

> absolutely no way to control the beats beast otherwise.

> Some of you might think this is juvenile, silly or sophomoric. . . well,

> bless you; it will give you something to talk about at the very least. I

> wanted you all to come with me on my adventure, The Twisted Caddy is gassed

> up and ready to roll down the international superhighway of words kids,

> let's go. . .

> xxxooo

> s.a. griffin

This sounds GREAT !!! I don't find it sophomoric. The Ginsberg

Burroughs work connection is a fitting starting given the last phone

calls thread before. A creative connection from the phone call through

that Ginsbergian winding a thread of creative thoughts through the

voices throughout this wiring and back to the finish seems a beautiful

collective tribute.

david rhaesa

salina, kansas

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From: "M. Cakebread" <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Subject: Ginsberg On Bravo at this moment!!!

Shit!! I just turned on Bravo and the Ginsberg

interview is on as I type. Damn!!! Anyone tape

this?

Mike (3:50 pm EST)

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From: Rinaldo Rasa <rinaldo@GPNET.IT>

Subject: iiw charm

International Workers of the World

a century of struggle for a better world

credits for Rolling Stone

the charm

the musk doesn't grow

on the rolling stone,

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

we gotta go!

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

a day off work

Hare Rama Hare Rama

the point was,

it was

cool

when

we're kids

Rama Rama Hare Hare

jobs that built a nation

they

believed

they were going for themself

& for

their families.

they're now squatter

from

their jobs,

forced to leave their houses,

left with

broken

lives.

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

* Rinaldo *

.......................................................................

this poem

is dedic

to an angel

who lives

in VT, U.S.A.

........................................................---------------

first may, 1997

Labour Day

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From: Rod Anstee <Nastees@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Phil Chaput, Kerouac Estate, & Lowell Archive

In a message dated 97-05-01 03:57:27 EDT, you write:

> I'm a little weary of everybody and his brother throwing questions

>at me, and here's Nicosia, always ready to answer. I have a lot else in my

>life beside Jack Kerouac, despite the lies of John Lash's lawyers and all

>the Sampas supporters, including Rod Anstee.

Gerry, you crack me up. First you invite people to send you questions, then

you're miffed when they actually do. As for "always ready to answer", you

didn't answer my two questions -- about Jan's income, and about Paul Blake

Jr. being a defendent at one point in Jan's lawsuit --, nor acknowledge the

post at all, which I sweated bricks over. And I see I'm now accused of

telling unspecified "lies." Cool! Exactly like Sampas, you insist upon

polarizing the Kerouac scene, into just two camps, US & THEM, even though the

issues and personalities are complex. It's a completely simple-minded way to

view the world, Gerry -- whether it's you, or it's John Sampas doing it. Rod

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From: Ginny Browne <NICO88@AOL.COM>

Subject: ginsberg memorials

hey- did someone say long ago that Brooklyn College was going to have a

memorial conference/reading (?) for AG sometime soon? any further

information?

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Subject: Re: Ginsberg On Bravo at this moment!!!

In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 1 May 1997 15:50:37 -0400 from <cake@IONLINE.NET>

Groan! Brave usually repeats everything fifteen times so there may be some hop

e. What are we talking about? "The Life & Times of AG?" I looked through the

movie guide last night and found nothing. If anyone has more info, please p os

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From: "Derek A. Beaulieu" <dabeauli@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>

Organization: Calgary Free-Net

Subject: Re: kerouac releases and a question...

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rod

i did read all the wordds buti was working fro memory & quickly from work.

didnt mean to step on yr toes (or whatever), just trying to understand yr

complaints about nouvelle francaise & book of blues peices (and wouldnt

presentation of book of blues be penguin's decision & not sampas'?)

derek

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From: Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Dylan-Plymell

Comments: To: blackj@bigmagic.com

In a message dated 97-05-01 13:12:00 EDT, you write:

<< Charlie Plymell, I love your reminiscences, and wonder when (or if you

have

already) written a book of them. But here's a slight correction. I may be

mistaken, but I could swear Al Aronowitz told me he'd introduced Dylan to

Ginsberg in 1961-1962. (Aronowitz was the guy who did the great 1959 NY

POST series on the Beats, and later was their rock pop columnist in the

Sixties, the guy who introduced Dylan to the Beatles and gave the Beatles

their first hit of marijuana, etc.) We could all find out if somebody

emailed Al, who's considered himself the Blacklisted Journalist for the last

two decades, at blackj@bigmagic.com.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

Gerry: You may be correct. Al (whom I've recently been in touch with...and

fwd'd this post) is credited with having introduced them. That seems early

for my recollection in the Fall of '63 when I played Dylan's "Blowing" for

him. He either said or it was assumed by all present that he hadn't heard it.

It may be that he hadn't heard that album, or it may be he was playing mum,

or hadn't heard him sing? It's an interesting assertion and thanks for

calling my attention to it...makes me wonder? No, I'm not writing any more

memiors, just on the list.

C.Plymell

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Subject: Re: Ginsberg On Bravo at this moment!!!

At 04:56 PM 5/1/97 EDT, Bill Gargan wrote:

>Groan! Brave usually repeats everything fifteen times

>so there may be some hope. What are we talking about?

>"The Life & Times of AG?" I looked through the movie guide

>last night and found nothing. If anyone has more info,

>please post.

Hey Bill,

This looked to be from '95 (at least that's what the

year at the end of the credits said). I believe the

program was "Literari" ( I know the spelling is incorrect,

but the program name had some sort of twist to it) or

something along these lines.

I only caught the last 10 minutes, AG had a bad

case of bronchitis and his voice seemed pretty

shot.

Mike

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From: Pamela Beach Plymell <CVEditions@AOL.COM>

Subject: For Michael Buchenroth

COWS

Look at cow faces

cattlemen cruising the stockyards

the thing is

cows don't care

cows are queer

I saw a cow on muscle beach

I once found a cow magazine

with a cover of cows black and white

hooked up to iron milkers

Cow poetry in it

If you drink milk before going

to bed you'll wake up with a

bovine faced hangover

Huncke stole a cow

took it to the city

on his back

Charles Plymell:

Michael is building a website for me. Thank you. Nice birthday present.

http://www.buchenroth.com/cplymell.html

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Anstee vs. Nicosia, Heavyweight Bout

To Followers of the Beat List:

Sunday morning (April 27) Rod Anstee landed a couple of haymakers

(not to mention a few nasty uppercuts) before I even knew we were in the

ring together. OK, fellas, put some gloves on me, I'm ready now. Consider

this Round Two:

Mr. Anstee's rhetoric is nothing but recycled Sampas. I've lost

count of how many Sampas supporters and paid spokesmen have come against

both Jan and me with those same two dog-eared arguments:

1) Jan Kerouac had "enough" money; she had no business trying to get

more by suing the Sampases.

2) Gerald Nicosia supports Jan Kerouac's suit merely because it is a

good career move for Jack Kerouac's biographer.

Someone once explained the guiding principle of Nazi propaganda

genius Josef Goebbels this way: "If you repeat a lie enough times, people

will start to believe it."

Let's look carefully at these 2 claims of Mr. Anstee's (and Mr.

Sampas's):

1) Jan Kerouac insisted again and again, at every public forum and

up until a week before she was hospitalized in the final bout of her illness

(May, 1996), that she did not sue to overthrow her grandmother's apparently

forged will just to make money. In fact, she was deeply offended by the

notion that money was her principal motivation. In her final interview, she

told Diane Jones of Giorgio Moser's Italian film crew: "What I want to do

is, I don't want to just get all the stuff that the Sampases have and keep

it for myself and sell it off like they're doing. What I want to do is put

it in a museum."

Jan often said to me, and others: "If ANYONE discovered that their

grandmother's will was forged, and that they'd been cheated of their

rightful inheritance, wouldn't ANYONE speak out against that, and try to

right the wrong, if it were legally possible?" For Jan, whose life had been

so deeply wounded by the permanent absence of a father, getting back some

part of her family heritage (which had been unfairly withheld from her) had

even more poignance.

To say that Jan Kerouac "mismanaged" her money is a red herring--one

somebody better pour a little Worcestershire sauce on and swallow, before it

smells any worse.

Since when does the way one handles one's money have any connection

to whether or not one deserves to be cheated? Jack Kerouac misspent a lot

of his own money buying drinks for himself and Bowery bums. Does that also

justify HIS being cheated (of his intentions for final placement of his

archive)? At one point, Ann Charters was running around the country waving

Jan Kerouac's income statements in the face of every interviewer she could

find--a patent invasion of privacy, if nothing else. Does anyone ask Ann

Charters how much money she earns, or how she spends her money? Does anyone

ask the Sampases how many trips a year to Greece they take with Jack

Kerouac's money? Or how much money Nick Sampas gambled away in the Poconos?

How dare Mr. Anstee say Jan Kerouac had "far TOO MUCH money"? Does

he know how many extra expenses Jan Kerouac had just because she was on life

support--the fact, for instance, that she needed an aide to help with every

basic household chore the last year and a half of her life? Anstee would be

closer to the mark if he suggested that the Sampas family has "far TOO MUCH

money."

Like a lot of people who've lived all their lives on the edge of

total poverty, Jan Kerouac had no idea how to "handle money." But she had a

huge heart, and when she finally started getting good-sized royalty checks

(after Stella Sampas's lawyers had fought three years to keep her from

getting a penny), Jan ended up giving a lot of that money away to

boyfriends, friends, and relatives, and sending presents all over the

country, sometimes to people she had met only once or twice. It would

perhaps have been more sensible for her to invest in real estate or put that

money into CD's. I suppose Rod Anstee can use that as evidence that Jan

"mishandled" money. I see it as evidence that Jan cared a lot more for

other people than she cared for herself.

She had, in fact, lived so many years WITHOUT NEEDING TO PAY INCOME

TAX that, once she got a decent income, it never dawned on her to start

setting aside money for taxes. She eventually dug herself into a hole of

owing the IRS something like 50 or 60 thousand dollars.

But in the last two years of her life, as John Sampas found legal

loopholes to cut down her income, and as both her legal and medical expenses

skyrocketed, she tried hard to live on a budget and to make the most of what

she had. She hired one of the best financial managers in northern

California to handle her money for her--and he was so touched by this very

special, dying woman that he offered to straighten out her huge fiscal mess

for less money a year than most of us pay to get our tax return prepared.

I don't think Jan would want me to hide this side of her life from

anyone; but I fail to see how it is relevant, at all, to her attempt to

regain the inheritance that she may have been deprived of by deliberate and

illegal design.

Or do you mean to say, Rod, that anyone would be justified in

cheating YOU TOO if we can prove that, at some point in your life, you

wasted some money?

Funny--I've never heard that one used in court to justify a robbery.

"Appeal to emotions" they used to call it in rhetoric class.

Now as for the second, and apparently weightier, accusation--that I

am only serving myself, and that I am the only person who will benefit if I

win Jan's case:

My "real goal," Rod, is to keep my promise to a dead woman: Jan

Kerouac. On several occasions, during the last two years of her life, I

promised Jan that--as God would help me--I would do everything in my power

to carry on her quest, if she died before seeing her lawsuit go to trial.

Maybe promises to the dead are meaningless to you, Mr. Anstee. They aren't

to me, and they weren't to Jack Kerouac, whom you profess to love.

And have you forgotten PAUL BLAKE, JR., dear Rod, whose life and

family would be lifted out of dire poverty if we win in Florida? Not to

mention that, as he has stated, a victory in Florida would make HIM feel as

if he had finally "recaptured" part of his own family heritage. I fight for

him, the living, too.

Beyond that, my "real goal" is also to see Jack Kerouac's archive

preserved for posterity--for the use of generations of scholars, critics,

biographers, historians, translators, and cultural interpreters to come, as

long as the human race manages to endure. It is the future generations,

specifically, who will benefit if I succeed in carrying out Jan Kerouac's

quest--as well as American literature and America's cultural legacy.

I would think Mr. Anstee knows enough about me by now (I stayed at

his house, after all) to realize that self-promotion is hardly the foremost

goal in my life. He might recall, for example, that I care for an

86-year-old mother who has been incapacitated by two strokes, and a

two-year-old daughter adopted from a Chinese orphanage, and that both these

are far higher priorities for me than "running the Kerouac Estate."

But let's say, for the sake of argument, that I have just invented

this goal of helping Jan Kerouac and saving Jack Kerouac's archive--in

order, as he claims, simply to promote my own interests. And let's also

suppose--since he'll have to, for this theory to work--that Jan Kerouac was

such a stupid woman that for three years of calling, writing, and spending

hundreds of hours with me, she hadn't figured this out. If all this is

true, then what, exactly, am I gaining by this legal struggle, that has now

taken almost all my time for the past ten months, emptied my bank account of

$7,000 in executor's expenses that Mr. Lash refuses to pay me, and cost me

another $62,000 in unpaid legal bills?

Let me see--WHAT DO I STAND TO GAIN FROM IT? Wonder of wonders,

let's imagine that Gabrielle's will is declared invalid. The Sampases

retain 1/3 of the Kerouac Estate by virtue of a Florida dower's right, since

Jack was still married to Stella when he died. That dower's right is

incontrovertible--it guarantees the Sampas family millions of dollars over

the next few decades, till all the Kerouac copyrights expire. But now,

after Jan has won, 1/3 of that estate belongs to Jan's 2 heirs, her

exhusband John Lash and her half-brother David Bowers, and a full third

belongs to Paul Blake, Jr., and his family of six, who just lost their home

near Sacramento.

And GERALD NICOSIA, HOW WILL HE BE ENRICHED?

Jan Kerouac put a provision in her will that I should earn a 10%

standard agent's commission for any literary deals I negotiate or help to

consummate. This is money I have to work for. Recent advances on

unpublished Kerouac books have been about $10,000--that means I earn $1,000

if I help put one of these deals together. Five such deals a year, a high

estimate, I think, would add five thousand dollars a year to my income--not

a make-it-or-break-it amount. It would also mean time taken from my

writing, at a point in my literary career when I may soon be able to write

my own ticket. I am nearly finished with a massive 30-year history of

Vietnam veteran healing and readjustment called HOME TO WAR, which my editor

at Henry Holt considers book-prize material. Would I not be better served,

professionally, to finish HOME TO WAR as quickly as possible, and then sign

a contract with Holt for my next book?

Again, I think Mr. Anstee is being disingenuous in pretending that

my goal is to keep writing about Jack Kerouac. He KNOWS better. Aside from

having become the foremost authority (500 interviews in ten years) on the

Vietnam Veterans' Movement, I have spent the past 20 years as an intimate

member of the Bay Area literary community. I just edited a collection of

Bob Kaufman's poems that has been nominated for five literary prizes, and

Eileen Kaufman, Bob's widow, has encouraged me to write a biography of

Kaufman. I have also thought seriously of a biography of Jack Micheline,

another dear, old friend--or a biography of my Chicago hero, Nelson Algren,

or of Jan herself--for which I already have all the material I need, from

years of letters, conversations, taped interviews, etc.

DO I REALLY NEED MORE GLORY AS JACK KEROUAC'S BIOGRAPHER?

I now have two scrapbooks filled with letters from around the world,

praising MEMORY BABE as by far the greatest of the Kerouac biographies. The

letters keep coming, despite the fact that Mr. Sampas (at times in collusion

with Ann Charters) has succeeded in keeping me out of the last two big

public Beat/Kerouac forums. Ann Charters, if there is any doubt about her

role, was an integral part of the 1995 NYU Kerouac Conference, from which

Jan and I were both ejected by police after Jan politely asked for 5 minutes

to speak.

So perhaps if I remain in the saddle as Jan's literary executor, I

can break the blockade and get to speak again at a Kerouac/Beat conference.

There are a lot of people who'd be glad of that besides me. But from a

career standpoint, it's hardly worth sacrificing years of my life in

tortuous legal wrangling just to get to a speaker's platform.

Besides, despite the blockade, I still get invited to speak publicly

even now--as some of you may know who saw me on C-Span a couple of weeks ago.

Well, what about THE BIG ENCHILADA? What if we succeed in selling

the Kerouac archive to Stanford, Berkeley, Texas, or the New York Public

Library for a cool million (the most any of those folks could afford)? The

Albuquerque court would have to approve my 10% commission on an item that

big. Suppose they go ahead and award me 10% of Jan's $333,333 share? Then

I walk away with $33,000--enough to pay half my legal bills for the past ten

months.

Now perhaps Mr. Anstee would care to tell us what HE stands to gain

if pieces of the Kerouac archive are again put up for sale to collectors?

The rest of his charges can be disposed of in a paragraph:

The threat?--it's obvious. John Sampas stopped (or more likely

slowed down) sales of Kerouac material because Jan Kerouac put a spotlight

on him with her lawsuit three years ago. Three years ago, several Sampas

spokesmen, including George Tobia, said Mr. Sampas was about to put all Jack

Kerouac's papers in the New York Public Library. Three years later, that

has not happened. How many sold Kerouac artifacts do you need before you

know what he plans to do once there's no one left in his way? As for Paul

Blake, Jr., he BEGAN (not "ended up") as a defendant through the ineptitude

of Jan's first lawyer, Tom Brill. Brill screwed up so badly the Florida

judge threw him off the case. ASK HIM why he goofed on that--I sure don't

know. In any case, Paul is seeking every possible way now to become a

plaintiff, including joining with me if I am put in charge of Jan Kerouac's

lawsuit by the New Mexico appellate court. There is no problem with

admitting as evidence the crack handwriting analyst's report that Gabe's

signature is an "obvious forgery." "Complete and utter chaos" if I am

allowed to act as Jan Kerouac's literary executor? I hardly think so, Rod.

I won honors as a writer and honors as a college professor and honors as an

editor. I run a tight ship--no need to fear. The funniest thing of all is

Mr. Anstee's fear that as Jan's literary executor I won't hire Ann Charters

to edit Volume 2 of the SELECTED LETTERS. Mr. Anstee complained to me for

years about the sloppiness of Ann Charters' scholarship, and yet it now

appears he'll be heartbroken not to see another volume of Kerouac's work

with her name on it.

Not to worry, Rod. From what I hear, Ms. Charters has already

completed assembling the Second Volume of Kerouac's SELECTED LETTERS, and

it will surely appear long before the legal appeals are over concerning the

Estate of Jan Kerouac.

Thanks to the Beat-L readers for their patience.

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Hey, Anstee, wait for the bell!

Rod, May 1, 1997

I don't know what kind of fight you think this is, but let's at

least play fair, and by the Marquis of Queensbury rules. You send me a huge

long list of challenges at the moment when I'm about to board a plane for

Albuquerque to go fight Sampas's latest legal attack on me, and then

ridicule me to the Beat-List folk because you didn't get an instant reply.

I'll be happy to take you all one-on-one (to change sport metaphors), but I

can't be in more than one place at the same time. Even Michael Jordan can't

do that.

You got your reply today. And there was at least one glaring LIE in

your letter, that I was the only person who was going to benefit by the

winning of Jan's lawsuit. What about Paul Blake, Jr., his five kids, and

wife? Are they all ghosts? At some point, when they have to move their

trailor off their neighbor's land, where are they supposed to live? Does

John Sampas give a damn? Do you give a damn? Or are you just interested in

making me look bad, like so many other people who want to get in Mr. S.'s

good graces?

I don't have the money to hire the staff John Sampas does. I don't

have the resources of Viking Penguin behind me, as he does, or someone like

Ann Charters running interference for me. I AM HERE, and I'm answering

every question at the fastest rate I can, while taking care of my family too

(which to the best of my knowledge John Sampas does not have to do). So

instead of this perpetual ridiculing of Nicosia, how about asking why John

Sampas hasn't yet appeared, either in person or through an officially

delegated representative, to start answering questions the same way?

I'll play in any honest pick-up game you guys want to organize, but

I'm tired of playing where the refs only call "foul" against one side--mine.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From: R&R Houff <stand666@BITSTREAM.NET>

Subject: For Charles Plymell

Happy Birthday Charles,

Here's a little "Arcola Hotel" poem I wrote a number of years ago;

I figured you could relate=97I was thinking about all those miles a

guy covers in a life when any bed looks good. I was also thinking

of the miles and hotels in "Last Of The Moccasins."

GRACE NOTES & GATHERINGS

There is little to see

between buildings that lie in rows.

The street surrenders a constant drone

of cars and useless feelings.

Sometimes a gunshot will sever the dark.

Somnambulic faces fall from windows

through siren and confusion.

And in the room across the hall,

a young mother comforts her baby;

giving us another chance.

Richard

Pariah Press

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From: Gerald Nicosia <gnicosia@EARTHLINK.NET>

Subject: Attila's facts and questions

Dear Attila, May 1, 1997

I will attempt to answer and/or correct your admirable effort to

create a basic fact sheet on the Kerouac Kontroversy. I follow your

paragraph order:

Jack not only mentioned Jan as his daughter in letters, he told a

variety of people that he knew she was his--including his nephew Paul. Paul

asked, "Why can't I get to know my cousin Jan?" Jack told him, "It's

Memere--she wants it that way."

Gabrielle suffered her stroke in Sept. 1966, two months before Jack

married Stella Sampas. Gabe didn't want to go into a nursing home--probably

the biggest reason Jack married Stella. Also, of course, who was going to

care for Jack, now that Gabe couldn't? Jack died OCTOBER 21, 1969.

There was one previous will of Jack Kerouac's, made out in March,

1962. Jack left everything to his mother, but stated that if she died

before him, his estate should be divided into fourths: 1/4 to his sister and

her heirs; 1/4 to St. Louis de France Parish; 1/4 to St. Joseph's Hospital

(which took care of his family while his mother was giving birth to him

there); and 1/4 to Ste. Jeanne d'Arc Parish, where he had his First Confession.

Jack's association with Little Paul goes back to when he was one

year old, says Jack Kerouac in the letter to Paul Blake, Jr., Oct. 20, 1969,

which John Sampas and his lawyer now acknowledge is a genuine Kerouac letter

(genuine enough for them to want to protect the copyright in it). If you've

read Joan Haverty's selection in WOMEN OF THE BEAT GENERATION, you know that

Jack delighted in taking Little Paul out to the park and playing with him

when he was only 2-3 years old. And they hiked, made poems together, ran

with the dogs, played basketball, etc. throughout the Fifties when Jack and

his mother periodically stayed with the Blakes in Rocky Mount, North

Carolina, and then Orlando, Florida. By the time Jack and Paul were

together again in St. Petersburg in the 60's, they were already good buddies.

Here's the actual legal scoop on the value of Jack's estate as

recorded at his death. His assets (as told to the court by Stella Kerouac)

were one uncashed royalty check for $90.00, and "the value of residuals from

the sale of books and related literary works," which was given as "one

dollar"--for a grand total of $91.00! You may ask, What about the house?

Well, I was inclined to ask the same question, but the obvious answer is

that Jack had most likely already put the house in his mother's name, so it

would not have been part of his estate.

Well, sorry, got to go now. My wife's in bed and my two year old

daughter Wu Ji is wandering the house by herself!

Will answer more points tomorrow.

Best, Gerry Nicosia

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From: Conaripub@AOL.COM

Subject: ERRATUM: Helen Adam / Women of the Beat Generation

Comments: To: POETICS@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu, ksp2@acsu.buffalo.edu

Comments: cc: SchaabC@aol.com, Bozokitty2@aol.com

ERRATUM

Due to an unfortunate combination of computer glitches and copy editor

confusion, portions of the biographical sketch of Helen Adam in the Conari

Press title "Women of the Beat Generation," that were drawn from the work of

Kristin Prevallet, appeared without complete attribution. Ms. Prevallet

generously provided us with her excellent research on Helen Adam and we

apologize for any harm that might have occurred. Future printings will

restore the original accurate acknowledgments.

Thank You,

Will Glennon

Publisher, Conari Press

Brenda Knight

Author, "Women of the Beat Generation"

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From: Guy Norbury <GuyNorbury@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: May Day Blues

My "friends" and I used a fallen tree in Central Park for our may pole. It

was allot of fun. Blessed be.

-Guy

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"In jesting guise, but ye are wise, who know what the jest is worth."

-I forget who said it but I read this in Scott Cunningham's biography.

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From: Antoine Maloney <stratis@ODYSSEE.NET>

Subject: Re: Tom Waits

Tony,

Here's a snip of some information I posted to the Raindogs Tom Waits

List about Patrick Humphries biography of Waits. If you haven't yet seen it

it's worth tracking down.

The biography is "Small Change: a Life of Tom Waits" by Patrick

Humphries.My copy, which I picked up on a trip to London, UK is put out by

Omnubus Press in 1989 ISBN 0-7119-1741-8. Omnibus has a lot of rock bios out

that I'm not familiar with and rock bios are often pretty insubstantial.

This one, however, is worth getting despite the moans of others on the list.

Biography goes up to 1989 when he was collaborating with Wilson on

"Black Rider" production. Good selection of photos produced on glossy paper

as well as movie shots.

Start and end of book have lists: List of Toms, People tom Waits

would give floor space to, Ten real books Tom Waits would enjoy reading,

(Manhole Covers of Los Angeles), Ten real authors Tom Waits would welcome on

his guest list (Ludwig Von Baldass), Some insults Tom Waits wouls relish

("Well, maybe I could INITIAL it...." Tennessee Williams on being asked to

autograph a drunks penis), and a discography.

Antoine

Voice contact at (514) 933-4956 in Montreal

"An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to tell him what to do!"

-- Norman Navrotsky and Utah Phillips

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Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 02:27:14 -0400

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From: "Dean M. Palmer" <dean_palmer@JUNO.COM>

Subject: Re: Anstee vs. Nicosia, Heavyweight Bout

Mr. Nicosia--

> Mr. Anstee's rhetoric is nothing but recycled Sampas. I've

>lost

>count of how many Sampas supporters and paid spokesmen have come

>against

>both Jan and me with those same two dog-eared arguments:

First off, I think you proved Mr. Anstee's point by lumping him in a

category with a man he has never even met. (I don't think you have, have

you Rod?)

I really doubt Mr. Anstee is in league with the Stampas camp.

> Someone once explained the guiding principle of Nazi

>propaganda

>genius Josef Goebbels this way: "If you repeat a lie enough times,

>people

>will start to believe it."

You will not win too many "good people points" laying allusions to

Nazism. Although i have never met the man, I really doubt Mr. Anstee is a

Nazi, nor is a follower of their idiotic beliefs.

> My "real goal," Rod, is to keep my promise to a dead woman:

>Jan Kerouac. On several occasions, during the last two years of her

life,

>I promised Jan that--as God would help me--I would do everything in my

>power to carry on her quest, if she died before seeing her lawsuit go to

>trial.

I admire your fulfilling of a promise, I truly do. Whether you are doing

this for personal gain, fulfilling a promise, or are just a great guy...I

don't care. The end result of Jack kerouac's work being on display for

anyone to see is what it is all about. I want that, I think everyone on

this list does.

It kills me to think of Kerouac's work hanging framed on some rich

asshole's living room wall for no one to see but himself. It is great

literary work and should be viewed by all.

I DO think you may be chosing the wrong approach though. You are making

too many enemies too fast. If you want to be perceived as the "good guy",

as I'm sure you do, (who doesn't?) then you would be best off not

mudslinging. This Nicosia vs. Stampas thing has gotten worse than a

Presidential election debate. Let the mudslinging end. The trial will

decide the outcome. If the trial does not end as you would like

it...these things happen. You tried your hardest. Win or lose...wouldn't

you rather be respected for putting up a gentlemanly fight, than be

remembered as just another mudslinger in the great Kerouac debate?

> DO I REALLY NEED MORE GLORY AS JACK KEROUAC'S BIOGRAPHER?

> I now have two scrapbooks filled with letters from around the

>world, praising MEMORY BABE as by far the greatest of the Kerouac

>biographies.

As well you should. It is a great book. I respect your work. I respect

what you are trying to have done with Kerouac's estate. I just don't like

how it is all happening.

Just my 2cents worth....

Dean Palmer--

/\/\/\/\/\~Dean_Palmer@juno.com~/\/\/\/\/\

/\/\/\/\/\~Funny English Joke; man and wife in living room, phone rings,

man answers and says he wouldn't know, better call the coast guard, and

hangs up, wife says, "Who was it, dear?" and man says, "I don't know,

some damn fool who

wanted to know if the coast was clear." har-har-har (Neal

Cassady)~/\/\/\/\/\

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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 03:10:57 -0400

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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Cig up your Butt

In a message dated 97-04-30 12:55:25 EDT, you write:

<< Yeah, like why would you bother having a beer unless it

changed something? Come to think of it, why do I drink so

much coffee unless in changes something? Hell, why bother

eating? >>

Hell, the only thing eating seems to change is my waistline. Unfortunately

the rest of my reality stays the same.

Donut Man

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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 03:10:59 -0400

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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: RE; Phil Chaput Rebuttal

In a message dated 97-04-30 23:08:21 EDT, you write:

<< With a cooler head

today, yours truly - Phil Chaput >>

Phil:

Hopefully the bottom line for everybody is that the Kerouac Archives end up

in a public institution as a collection because it is an incredible first

person account of the history of the beat generation. I know that you have

always been a strong supporter of that happening. Attila

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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 03:11:00 -0400

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From: Attila Gyenis <GYENIS@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Why is there no hippie literature

In a message dated 97-04-30 15:20:46 EDT, you write:

<< How about Richard Brautigan? Though I don't like the labels, it seems his

work might fit in to what you call "hippie literature."

Don't you know anything. Brautigan is a Beat! So is Tom Robbins.

Stephen King is not.

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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:35:41 +0200

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From: Jean ORY <Jean.ORY@HOL.FR>

Organization: ORY Jean

Subject: Ginsberg/Hendrix

I would like to know if there is any quote of Allen Ginsberg about Jimi

Hendrix ?

Thank you

Jean Ory

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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 01:35:42 -0700

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From: Leon Tabory <letabor@CRUZIO.COM>

Subject: [Fwd: Catching Up]Warning! Lengthy report of theFilmore party. Of

interest only to beats who consider hippies legitimate

descendants

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Since I am goiung to still be too busy for a couple more days, and since

a couple of you asked, here is what I reported to Marie of the prankster

bus trip to rest party. And BTW, Charlie, when Anne Marie checked the

printout of your question whether she remembered that sailor episode,

she shook her head in the negative, but I did notice a kind of smug

smile runing over her face... I do love your reason for memories, and

peace ccame to share all of us.

leon

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:56:03 -0700

From: Leon Tabory <letabor@cruzio.com>

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Good morning,

Got back from San Francisco yesterday morning. Checked my mail, started

to answer and got a call from my daughter who just returned from Cabo in

Mexico. The rest of the day went quickly. I lied down to rest for a bit

yesterday early evening and just got up. Now I am caught up on

everything.

Monday in the City started out strange for me. I guess Anne Marie

expected me to call before noon and she left thinking I was not coming!

She does not have an answering machine on her phone, and mine was full

of messages! Then when I got to the Filmore the bus just did not look he

same bus that was "fingerpainted" that Sunday afternoon. It seemed

darker inside and outside some fancy painting was shellacked in some

glossy preservative finish. If you didn't look that close though, the

overall look of the bus pretty much the same from a distance, and even

though standing inside felt almost shabby, not at all like the last time

I was inside of it, it still felt like a magic moment, history was thick

in the air. Kesey was being interviewed by Rubenstein, a somewhat

belittling Chronicle Sports reporter. When I poked my head into the

open door, Kesey was telling him that he thought the Rock and Roll Hall

af Fame was a better place for his bus, because the Smithsonian had a

bunch of dead machines, I thought he said in the basement, but I could

have been wrong. The party was hosted by the Hall of Fame and Kesey told

me that he promised not to try to get anyone in. He did say to come back

by seven forty five, so I went to see my Mission Street friends and

returned by eight. Looked like a Hollywood celebrity crowd was arriving

and checking their names off at the door. It seemed that there was no

way that I would get in, but i decided to wait a bit. That Grateful Dead

phenomenon. "I need a miracle" popped into my head, and lo and behold,

Johnn popped out the door. He recognized me immediately and when I told

him that I couldn't get in, he went back inside and returned with some

big shot lady, and I was in! That itself put an end to the missing

connections all day. It was great to reminisce, to be a part of the

festivities. John and his girlfriend were very nice, it was a pleasure

to visit with them. We took a picture with John's son and Mountain Girl.

She lives now in Oregon "Why in Oregon?, because I have a boyfriend

there". I think it was the huge guy decked out in Prankster regalia that

I saw there later.It was nice to be remembered by all of them, to be

reminded of those times when everythng was unveiling mysteries, but I

never really was a part of the dayglow circus. Not that I didn't love to

see a circus. I was just not running away with it. There was a time when

I provided shelter for the pranksters and their bus at my Barn, but we

had not maintained any contacts since then. Even though they remembered

me, and John was ready to chperon me among all the luminaries, I decided

that I would be more comfortable just mingling in the crowd. And that

was amzing fun. People were high, the music was great, and tha dancing

was spirited. Very much like in the old days, with a happening now feel

as well. It was wonderful. Then I looked to my side and about five feet

from me was this straight looking gentleman, with shortish hair (like

mine) and conventional shirt and jacket. For some reason I visualized

James to be a straight looking person, and his the jacket was dark like

he described, I turned to him "James", "yes", "James Stauffer?" "Leon?"

We both seemed to feel not very surprised, there was a comfortable

friendly feeling. It was really nice to have such good vibes going on.

James was standing in place bobbing his head to the music, somewhat, and

I got drawn in by the enthusiastic dancers more on the move. I have

dance waway with my daughters' friends at raves, but didn't have as much

fun dancing away for a very long time. Strangers were hugging gleefully

, openly without proprietary attachments, it was absolutely wonderful.

The thing was going to end at eleven but went on till after midnight.

James left early, because he had to got to work early the next morning

(did I hear it it right, could it be as a salesman in a clothing store

in a shopping mall?). I hooked up again with John and his entourage,

reminisced some more and if I had to sum up the feeling at the time I

would call it inspired, with tongue hesitating in cheek a bit. The

nicest things were to see a lot of younger people mingling in a visit

with the old timers. There seemed to be a settled down, glad all this is

happening, that we are here, the acid high type feelings connecting

everybody, but in a down to earth kind of way. There was this very

excited, awed exclamation "my god are these cracker jacks?" The young

lady who was shaking some cracker jacks from a box into her friend's

palm, pulled up the box "want some?" Bliss. Absolute surprise and

delight. Went for a walk in the alley and found paradise lit up. Aaah.

Those contagious blisses from long ago.Some of the dancing was angelic.

and I don't know how to describe it. Now that I think about it, I

realize that a lot of people would have ravaged the plentiful and

elegant refreshments placed everywhere, rather than leave so much on the

trays. So I guess the folks were comfortable because only the

comfortable ones were there. When I had the Barn I never turned anyone

away because they didn't have money for a ticket. I had a dozen

flashlights that I would give out to make them do something, help park

cars for half an hour to earn admission.

I wasn't ready for sleep or the long drive home, so I went back to my

Mission friends at the king of all shabiness, the Pratt hotel. As usual

we stayed up all night and I wittnessed again the ins and outs of the

scrounging for pleasures, keeping the sickness at bay, of the addicted.

Life in the now without horizons to beyond the moment. Sheila is locked

up again, for parole violation. Didn't meet her appoinments, maybe found

no other way to get out of the predicament.

In the morning I connected with Anne Marie. Looking more closely I see

signs of strains and stresses. After initial uneasiness about the

misunderstandings of yesterday, whatever they were about I am not that

sure, although I have a feeling that Anne Marie might have also felt

disappointed that she hadn't been invited to the party by Kesey. I

really don't know any of that to be true. Mostly it seems to me that she

needs a more comfortable place to live. Her room is very tiny and the

street outside the window is a hangout for drinking and homeless

people.I do know that we enjoyed visiting for the rest of the day. When

I left she was sleeping peacefully.

This turned out longer than I expected. Off to work now.

Hope you continue to enjoy drawing etc.. Looking forward to hear from

you

Much love

leon

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