do we
call first?
I'm in
the middle of several projects right now, but this really does
appeal
to me....I just don't know personally any of the talking heads who
would
need to be brought on board.....again, hmmmmmmm....
gc
Gregory
J. Conroy
University
News Services
Southern
Illinois University at Edwardsville
"The
doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
--
Dizzy Dean explaining how he felt after being hit
on the
head by a ball in the 1934 World Series
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From: "Gregory J. Conroy"
<gconroy@SIUE.EDU>
Subject: Dylan
At
12:11 AM 2/27/96, DOUGLAS W. WACKER wrote:
>but
never realized the extent of his (Dylan's)
>stream
of conciousness poetry writing and its similarity to beat poetry
>until
I started reading it. What does
everybody think? If you haven't read
>it,
pick it up, its really turning out to be one of my fav books of poems. I
>think
it really conveys this weird rural/street bum mood - hard to put into
>words. Also check out some of Dylan's liner notes
(i.e. Highway 61).
>Opinions?
Just
listen to the words of his songs....it's on the road set to
music....I've
always believed the early Dylan put music to the Beat, so to
speak....of
course, there was the improv of jazz, too, but Dylan's music
and the
words just sang that highway song, with a bit of influence of Woody
Guthrie,
the original roadie......
gc
Gregory
J. Conroy
University
News Services
Southern
Illinois University at Edwardsville
"The
doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
--
Dizzy Dean explaining how he felt after being hit
on the
head by a ball in the 1934 World Series
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From: Alexander Macgillivray
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Subject: Re: Tarantula
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Agree with you on Tarantula, it does make
for very beat-like reading that
reminds me of soem Ginsberg stuff in the way
it abandons themes and
returns to them almost musically.
Alex the lurker
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From: Paul McDonald - Bon Air Branch
<PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>
Subject: PALIMPSEST
Yesterday
I read parts of Gore Vidal's "Palimpsest" and was a little surprised
to find
a chapter devoted to the Beats, in particular his tryst with Kerouac,
which
he "lovingly"(smile) describes.
He excerpts a few passages from "The
Subterraeans"
and, as is his forte, is quite pleased with himself and the
character
based on him in that novel.
Vidal
always comes across as being conceited in a humourous kind of way, but I
found
that particular chapter entertaining.
Paul
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Subject: JIM CARROLL
This is
a mail message I received that I thought the list might enjoy. Jim
Carroll
is still carrying on the oral tradition.
Paul
********************************************************************************
Subj: Jim Carroll Web Site
Date:
Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:15:03 -0500 (EST)
From:
Cassie Carter <ccarter@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject:
Jim Carroll Web Site
To:
ccarter@bgnet.bgsu.edu
bcc:
Message-ID:
<Pine.3.89.9602270147.A5424-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
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I've
just added four items to the primary bibliography (*Out of This
World*
anthology, "Curtis's Charm" in *Paris Review* and on the film
soundtrack,
and JC's review of *Kids* in *George*), and one item to the
secondary
bibliography (*Current Biography* article).
Enjoy.
Cassie
Carter |----------------------------------------|
English
Department | Visit THE JIM CARROLL HOME PAGE |
Bowling
Green State University
|http://www.bgsu.edu/~ccarter/carroll.htm|
Bowling
Green, OH 43403 |*Everything you
want to know about JC!* |
ccarter@bgnet.bgsu.edu
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From: Ben Storz
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Subject: Re: Tarantula
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On Tue,
27 Feb 1996, DOUGLAS W. WACKER wrote:
>
>To: Beat-L@cunyvm
>
>From: dwacker@in.net (DOUGLAS W. WACKER)
>
>Subject: Tarantula
>
>
>
>Just wondered if anyone has read Bob Dylan's 'Tarantula'? I had read about
>
Dylan's relationship (for lack of a better word) with beat culture and
>
noticed 'beatitude' in his persona, but never realized the extent of his
>
stream of conciousness poetry writing and its similarity to beat poetry
>
until I started reading it. What does
everybody think? If you haven't read
>
it, pick it up, its really turing out to be one of my fav books of poems. I
>
think it really conveys this weird rural/street bum mood - hard to put into
>
words. Also check out some of Dylan's
liner notes (i.e. Highway 61). Opinion
s?
>
>
>
Yes , I
agree. In the Paris Review that has the
story about Ginsberg's
class
at Columbia, Ginsberg credits Bob Dylan (As well as Billie
Holliday),
as influences of speech/poetry rythum and style.
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From: Duncan Gray
<duncang@ENTO.CSIRO.AU>
Subject: Hammer Flippin', Speed Trippin'
>'visions
of kerouac - the life of jack kerouac by charles jarvis' then
>states
that he reckons neal fulfilled his death wish!
explaining that
>anyone
who lives 'on the edge' for so long will eventually fall over
>it.
>
>from
what i've read of neal, nowhere does it mention 'a death wish' as
>a
way of life, even in the (abstract) context of mr. jarvis' explanation of
>'living
on the edge, eventually falling over it'.
i realise this is only one
>person's
point of view but it made me think (a little).
>
>i'd
like to know more please...
>
"Neal
said he'd tried to kill himself several times when he was young but
when he
came to believe in reincarnation, he feared the penalty too much.
Now he
dared God to do it instead by reckless defiance of all danger. So
both
Neal and I wanted to die and we'd blame each other, in our worst
moments,
for the loss of our loved ones: his family or former loves and my
son
Grant. Although he promised never to
leave me, he did, for good.."
Anne
Murphy, Spit in the Ocean No 6
"He
increased his use of 'speed' and marijuana, and took anything else
available. In despair I'd watch him swallow pills he'd
'found'-not knowing
what
they were-and in the next four short years I saw him pursue death with
every
breath of life." Carolyn Cassady,
Off the Road
"Maybe
it took a relative outsider like Robert Stone to see, as early as the
summer
of 1966 in Mexico, that Neal was in bad shape, that his emotions were
increasingly
unreal, increasingly a function of the amphetamine he was
shooting
up." William Plummer
While I
collected these quotes I put on a Funkdoobiest rap which has the
lyrics
"When you hear my tomahawk go bang, do your thing, what ever it is."
I can
picture Neal waking up in sixties, realising it's a good decade to
die,
saying "When I throw my hammer in the air, do your thing, what ever it
is."
and speeding away...
"Come
back and remember and go away and come back." Kesey
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Duncan
Gray
Stored
Grain Research Laboratory
CSIRO
Division of Entomology, GPO Box 1700, Canberra ACT 2601
Ph.
(06) 246 4178 Fax (06) 246 4202
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Subject: Re: Tarantula
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from <dwacker@IN.NET>
Read
Tarantula years ago. Think I still have
a copy somewhere. But
Dylan's
interest in Kerouac and Ginsberg is longstanding. Dylan has even
collaborated
with Ginsberg on some Blues albums.
Allen was part of
Rolling
Thunder and has a couple of scenes in Don't Look Back.
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From: "Gary M. Gillman"
<garyg@INFORAMP.NET>
Subject: Re: Tarantula
At
05:15 PM 2/27/96 EST, you wrote:
>Read
Tarantula years ago. Think I still have
a copy somewhere. But
>Dylan's
interest in Kerouac and Ginsberg is longstanding. Dylan has even
>collaborated
with Ginsberg on some Blues albums.
Allen was part of
>Rolling
Thunder and has a couple of scenes in Don't Look Back.
>
In
fact, Ann Charters in her superb Viking Portable Beat Reader - let`s have
a
volume 2, Ann - indicates that Dylan had submitted poems for publication
to
Ferlinghetti in the early 60`s, and of course Dylan is on record as
saying
that he was influenced to write by Mexico City Blues.
Gary M.
Gillman
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From: Andra <asg5@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU>
Subject: Don't Look Back
In
which scenes of Don't Look Back does Ginsberg appear?
>Read
Tarantula years ago. Think I still have
a copy somewhere. But
>Dylan's
interest in Kerouac and Ginsberg is longstanding. Dylan has even
>collaborated
with Ginsberg on some Blues albums.
Allen was part of
>Rolling
Thunder and has a couple of scenes in Don't Look Back.
* *
* * * * *
* * * * *
* *
An it's
yer life
Do it -
don talk it - Andra
Greenberg
Forget
about the talkers - Duke
University
They'll
always be around
asg5@acpub.duke.edu
You
won't ......
--Bob Dylan--
* *
* * * * *
* * * * *
* *
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From: Blaine Allan
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Subject: Re: Don't Look Back
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On Tue,
27 Feb 1996 18:32:17 -0500 Andra said:
>In
which scenes of Don't Look Back does Ginsberg appear?
Most
evidently, he lingers in the background of the famous "Subterranean
Homesick
Blues" sequence. During it, the
tune runs on the soundtrack
as
Dylan displays a series of "cue cards," on which selected lyrics of
his
song (mostly) have been scrawled, and he drops them one by one to
the
ground.
Blaine
Allan
ALLANB@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Film
Studies
Queen's
University
Kingston,
Ontario
Canada K7L 3N6
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From: Holly Ross
<hollyr@OCF.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: On the Road again...
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On Thu,
22 Feb 1996, Mark Fisher wrote:
>
>I am going out to San Francisco in about a month. I am interested in
>
>suggestions of beat-related places (besides City Lights) to visit. Also
>
good
>
>used bookstores and jazz clubs. I suggest you e-mail me directly to avoid
>
>cluttering up mailboxes of non-interested list members.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ben
>
>
Actually I plan on doing this myself one day and I wouldn't mind a copy
>
myself. You can post it here since it really does sound like an interesting
>
conversation, or just double-mail it to Ben and I.
>
> ..Critter
(Critter@mail.serve.com)
>
>
Origins of the Beat Generation has a map of SF with Beat landmarks.
>
For
both of you - I'm a California Bay Area native and a big Beat Gen.
fan. I can shoe the THE "Supermarket in
California," Ginsberg's Berkeley
cottage,
all the SF downtown joints (around Market St.), as well as other
cool
stuff in The City (as we call it). Need
maps? More info? You can
e-mail
me personally at hollr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Holly
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From: Mitchell Smith
<Kerolist@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Six Gallery Reading
Seems
like it would be more appropriate to launch such a project on the West
coast
and not in a university setting. That aside, I think it's an excellent
idea. I
have longed wished for a book on the event--something historical but
without
the usual academic theoretical posturing. Something with interviews,
photos,
narrative, etc. But your idea of a theatrical performance however
sounds
even better.
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From: Luis_Saenz_de_Viguera_Erquiaga
<lsaenz@RIGEL.DEUSTO.ES>
Subject: Beat list
Please,
send me some info to the Basque Country.
Gora
Kerouac!
Gora
Herria!
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From: MS TERESA M GIORDANO
<KWHA07A@PRODIGY.COM>
Subject: RESEARCH
I'm
doing some research re: Kerouac life
and times and would like to
be in
touch with Ann Charters - last I read she was teaching at the
University
of Connecticut. Can anyone confirm
this?
Thanks,
Teresa
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From: "Gregory J. Conroy"
<gconroy@SIUE.EDU>
Subject: Ann Charters
At 6:28
PM 2/27/96, Gary M. Gillman wrote:
>In
fact, Ann Charters in her superb Viking Portable Beat Reader - let`s have
>a
volume 2, Ann--
Gary--
She has
come out recently with either Jack's letters or his poems, I'm not
sure
which....
Anyone
out there know which?
gc
Gregory
J. Conroy
University
News Services
Southern
Illinois University at Edwardsville
"The
doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
--
Dizzy Dean explaining how he felt after being hit
on the
head by a ball in the 1934 World Series
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On Wed,
28 Feb 1996 08:23:23 EST MS TERESA M GIORDANO said:
>I'm
doing some research re: Kerouac life
and times and would like to
>be
in touch with Ann Charters - last I read she was teaching at the
>University
of Connecticut. Can anyone confirm
this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Teresa
Yes, she is.
Confirmed.
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From: Levi Asher
<brooklyn@NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Six Gallery Reading
In-Reply-To:
<960228002453_233090275@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Mitchell
Smith" at Feb 28, 96
00:24:54 am
I also
think the idea of a Six Gallery commemoration event sounds cool.
In fact
I tried to drum up support for a small version of this idea
last
October among some comrades (for the 40th anniversary) but the
time
wasn't right.
Maybe
with the combined forces of the BEAT-L, the Kerouac Connection,
Literary
Kicks, Dharma Beat and the Jack Kerouac Subterranean Information
Society,
and others we could get this thing going.
Any ideas how to
get the
ball rolling?
I also
would suggest a bi-coastal event -- one in New York, one in
San
Francisco. I'd try to attend both.
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Levi Asher =
brooklyn@netcom.com
Literary Kicks:
http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/
(the beat literature web
site)
Queensboro Ballads:
http://www.levity.com/brooklyn/
(my fantasy folk-rock
album)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * *
"Where
the vulture glides descending, there's an asphalt highway bending
Through libraries and museums,
galaxies and stars
Down the windy halls of friendship, to the
rose clipped by the bullwhip
The motel of lost companions waits with
heated pool and bar"
-- Neil Young
("Thrasher")
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From: "Gregory J. Conroy"
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Subject: Re: Six Gallery Reading Documentary
At 7:00
AM 2/28/96, Levi Asher wrote:
>Maybe
with the combined forces of the BEAT-L, the Kerouac Connection,
>Literary
Kicks, Dharma Beat and the Jack Kerouac Subterranean Information
>Society,
and others we could get this thing going.
Any ideas how to
>get
the ball rolling?
I have
some experience in writing theatrical scripts....I would be
interested
in helping write this....do research, background, etc.....can't
take
much time away from my day job, but certainly would be happy to
help...
gc
Gregory
J. Conroy
University
News Services
Southern
Illinois University at Edwardsville
"The
doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
--
Dizzy Dean explaining how he felt after being hit
on the
head by a ball in the 1934 World Series
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From: "HI,IM VINNIE AND I'M A
VENTILATING SYSTEM" <VOSHEA@DIT.IE>
Subject: jack kerouac subterrannaen information
society
what is
the jack kerouac subterrannean information society?
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Subject: RESEARCH (fwd)
----------------------------Original
message----------------------------
From: MS TERESA M GIORDANO
<KWHA07A@PRODIGY.COM>
I'm
doing some research re: Kerouac life
and times and would like to
be in
touch with Ann Charters - last I read she was teaching at the
University
of Connecticut. Can anyone confirm
this?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just
saw her on the stairs about five minutes ago - she's my advisor
up
here. Send me a private note about what
you need to know (addresses etc):
Peter
McGahey - PRM95003@UConnVM.UConn.EDU
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From: Paul McDonald - Bon Air Branch
<PAUL@LOUISVILLE.LIB.KY.US>
Subject: Re: Dylan and Tarantula
Check
out Sam Shepherd's "Rolling Thunder Logbook." There is a section where
Dylan,
Ginsberg and Shepherd visit Kerouac's grave.
Larry Sloman has written
a book
(out of print, I think) called "On The Road with Bob Dylan" with a lot
of
references to Kerouac and the Sampas family.
Paul
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From: "Gilbert, Len"
<lgilbert@INTEGRALSYS.COM>
Subject: Re: On the Road again...
>:For both of you - I'm a California Bay
Area native and a big Beat Gen.
>:fan.
I can shoe the THE "Supermarket in California," Ginsberg's
Berkeley
>:cottage, all the SF downtown joints
(around Market St.), as well as
other
>:cool stuff in The City (as we call
it). Need maps? More info?
You can
>:e-mail me personally at hollr@ocf.berkeley.edu
>:
>:Holly
My
email to your email address got bounced back. Can you send info to me at:
home
71532.316@compuserve.com
work
lgilbert@integralsys.com
Also
regarding the Six Gallery reading/aniversary idea: I'd be interested.
Maybe
the SF/Bay Area people could get together to discuss...
-L
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fowarding this for a friend (and BEAT-L subscriber) who is having
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mail to grasp@pstrategies.com
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RE>>Six Gallery
Reading Documentary 2/28/96
I think
the idea of commemorating the Six Gallery reading is terrific! After
all, in many ways it launched the 2nd SF Poetry
Renaissance & brought
together
the "original" East Coast Beats with the both the Black Mtn.
poets
& the West Coast group of Duncan, Rexroth, McClure, Snyder,
Lamentia,
et al.
Ten
years ago I wrote a play called "Kerouac: Mad to be Saved" that was
produced
in Austin, Texas. It was an incredible
experience -- the auditions,
the
rehearsals, performances -- everything.
I'd love to be involved in
writing/editing
this project.
g.rasp
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Greetings
and salutations.
Does
anyone know of the current status of the lawsuit Jan Kerouac filed
against
the will? The last thing I heard was
that she was giving her
deposition,
but I
have heard nothing new since then.
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On Wed,
28 Feb 1996, Gregory J. Conroy wrote:
> At
6:28 PM 2/27/96, Gary M. Gillman wrote:
>
>
>In fact, Ann Charters in her superb Viking Portable Beat Reader - let`s
have
>
>a volume 2, Ann--
>
>
Gary--
>
>
She has come out recently with either Jack's letters or his poems, I'm not
>
sure which....
>
Anyone out there know which?
>
> gc
>
I think
it was the selected letters.
tg
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Levi
Asher wrote:
>
Any ideas how to get the ball rolling?
I came
up with one........the filmmaker Ken Burns (Civil War, Baseball) lives
in a
small town about 40 miles south of me. So I gathered up several of the
recent
postings on this topic, wrote a cover letter telling him why he should
consider
doing this project (including the weath of research resources
available
that Levi mentioned), and will send it off to him ( I didn't have
an
e-mail address for Mr. Burns).
Goes
out in 2/29 smail mail.........
Ben
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Levi,
Consider
the Kerouac Connection in full support of this idea.
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Dylan's
Tangled Up in Blue - 'Me I'm still On the Road heading for another
joint......'
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>At
6:28 PM 2/27/96, Gary M. Gillman wrote:
>
>>In
fact, Ann Charters in her superb Viking Portable Beat Reader - let`s have
>>a
volume 2, Ann--
>
>Gary--
>
>She
has come out recently with either Jack's letters or his poems, I'm not
>sure
which....
>Anyone
out there know which?
>
...
don't know about the poems - uk is always behind on these things - but
the
first volume of Kerouac's letters, edited by Ann Charters has been
published:
Jack
Kerouac: Selected Letters, 1940-1956, edited with an introduction and
commentary
by Ann Charters, Viking (Penguin Group), N.Y.: Penguin Books USA
Inc.,
(London: Penguin Books Ltd.,) 1995.
rod
warner University of Aberystwyth, uk. raw3@aber.ac.uk
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At
11:19 PM 2/28/96, Ben Moore wrote:
>Levi
Asher wrote:
>
>I
came up with one........the filmmaker Ken Burns (Civil War, Baseball) lives
>in
a small town about 40 miles south of me. So I gathered up several of the
>recent
postings on this topic, wrote a cover letter telling him why he should
>consider
doing this project
>
>Ben
Great
idea....his Baseball was fascinating....
There's
a woman at 20th Ca. Fox who is involved with documentaries.....I'll
contact
her for some advice....
gc
Gregory
J. Conroy
University
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Illinois University at Edwardsville
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doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
--
Dizzy Dean explaining how he felt after being hit
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Subject: Re: Ann Charters
>the
first volume of Kerouac's letters, edited by Ann Charters has been
>published:
>
>Jack
Kerouac: Selected Letters, 1940-1956, edited with an introduction and
>commentary
by Ann Charters, Viking (Penguin Group), N.Y.: Penguin Books USA
>Inc.,
(London: Penguin Books Ltd.,) 1995.
>
"Jack Kerouac's Selected
Letters," edited by Ann Charters, is in
fact
now out in paperback. I was reading them recently and discovered the
following
Beat Fun Facts.
In a letter to Neal Cassady, complete
with chapter headings, dated
in
Denver, Thursday, July 28, 1949, Jack writes (at the beginning of the
letter's
fifth chapter), "But you must also stop feeling like the student,
the
novice-he who is taught by the Justins & Allens. This your own form of
Oedipus
complex, to take on the role of he who's being helped, to 'flirt'."
(Quotes
by Jack.) Jack's use of the term "flirt" in quotes must be a
reference
to Neal's letter dated July 3, 1949 (included in "The Beat
Reader"
and "The First Third") where Cassady writes, "I was flirting
with
Justin
that fall of 41 and living at his Aunt & Uncle's."
Justin Brierly was a high school
counselor, and while the notion of
him being
the recipient of 15-year-old Neal Cassady's flirtations is
intriguing,
moreso is to consider the significance of Brierly's suggestion
that
Neal go to Columbia University in New York where he would subsequently
meet
Jack and Allen Ginsberg. Had Brierly not suggested this, 20th century
American
lit may well have turned out quite differently.
Even more compelling, however, is to
consider that Jack must have
received
this letter within hours or perhaps even minutes of his departure
time.
(It was actually several letters sent together, each dated
separately,
which the common reader, not enjoying access to archival
material,
must reconstruct from several volumes of biography, memior,
letters,
and "On the Road" itself.) In Jack's letter to Allen written on or
around
July 26 he wrote, "I am hitchhiking to Detroit tomorrow [...] See
you in
N.Y. in 2 weeks. [...] I've written twice to Pommy (Cassady), no
answer.
What's the matter?" Jack had been packed for days: "This is all the
paper I
have in the empty house a-moving...." (letter to AG, 7/[26]/49);
"Just
now as I was looking for some writing paper in my suitcase (all I've
got
with me)...." (letter to NC, 7/28/49).
Had Jack missed this letter he would
have gone to Detroit to see
Edie,
his first wife, instead of San Francisco to see Neal. Carolyn Cassady
wouldn't
have thrown Neal out of the house after being appalled with his
behavior
upon Jack's late night arrival around August 1. There would've
been no
subsequent limo ride from Sacramento to Chicago in 17 hours. Part
three
of "On the Road" would have been entirely different, thematically and
stylistically.
All this because Jack stuck around an extra couple hours and
got his
mail.
More Beat Fun Facts to come.
John W.
Hasbrouck
e-mail:
jhasbro@tezcat.com
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Subject: Viking Portable
So much
praise for a book (the Viking Portable Beat) that in many
important
ways completely misrepresents and mis-glorifies the Beats.
This
book especially nearly destroys the work of Burroughs and of
Baraka.
This destruction is created by the fine critical eye of dear
sweet
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from "Doug Rice" at Feb 29,
96 08:08:59 am
>
> So
much praise for a book (the Viking Portable Beat) that in many
>
important ways completely misrepresents and mis-glorifies the Beats.
>
This book especially nearly destroys the work of Burroughs and of
>
Baraka. This destruction is created by the fine critical eye of dear
>
sweet anne.
i
thought i was the only one....i liked the concept of a portable beat...but
to
compress...compile...cut and paste....man...it's
like....anti-climactic...worked
in theory...not practice....
aside...
left in
a daze at the end of big sur.....have a friend, who, although is
quite
compassionate and sensitive to others, feels angst at the mention
of
kerouac....says, "he drank himself to death....have no respect for the
man."
never tried to change her....but felt she was relentless in her
persecution
of his tortured battle with booze.....when i showed her a
passage
that i picked up one night in another dimension.....it was where he
questioned
his purpose as a writer... for if he did not express himself in
this
way, the only way he knew how to give, than god would have place him
on this
earth for nothing.......
to feel
the desire....to have the gift...and to not express it, is the true
sin...against
life.....against this very existence.
it is others who
create
illusions...demigods.....reluctant messiahs....those who
envy....those
who criticize.....those who cannot understand the desire,
for
they have none.....
>
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Is
Molly Eckert still on the list? We
haven't heard from you lately.
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From: Andra <asg5@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU>
Subject: Viking Portable
Doug
Rice <RICE@SALEM.KENT.EDU> wrote:
>So
much praise for a book (the Viking Portable Beat) that in many
>important
ways completely misrepresents and mis-glorifies the Beats.
>This
book especially nearly destroys the work of Burroughs and of
>Baraka.
This destruction is created by the fine critical eye of dear
>sweet
anne.
Why do
you say this? I have the Viking
Portable Beat Reader, and I never
felt
that it destroys the work of Burroughs and Baraka. I think it is a
wonderful
book because it contains a broad sampling of beat literature and
thus
enables the reader to become familiar with many different beat writers
and
their critics. Using the Beat Reader as
a guide, one can identify his
interests
and then branch out into other works by the authors contained in
the
Beat Reader.
* *
* * * * *
* * * * *
* *
An it's
yer life
Do it -
don talk it - Andra
Greenberg
Forget
about the talkers - Duke University
They'll
always be around
asg5@acpub.duke.edu
You
won't ......
--Bob Dylan--
* *
* * * * *
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From: "Gregory J. Conroy"
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Subject: Jack might-have-been.....
At 9:27
AM 2/29/96, John W. Hasbrouck wrote:
>Had
Jack missed this letter he would have gone to Detroit to see
>Edie,
his first wife, instead of San Francisco to see Neal. Carolyn Cassady
>wouldn't
have thrown Neal out of the house after being appalled with his
>behavior
upon Jack's late night arrival around August 1. There would've
>been
no subsequent limo ride from Sacramento to Chicago in 17 hours. Part
>three
of "On the Road" would have been entirely different, thematically and
>stylistically.
All this because Jack stuck around an extra couple hours and
>got
his mail.
Qute
fascinating, John....would J have written OTR at all had he missed
that
letter?
Would
it have been about a cross-country trip through half the country
rather
than coast to coast? Would the Beats have become the Detroit School?
hmmmmmmm....
gc
Gregory
J. Conroy
University
News Services
Southern
Illinois University at Edwardsville
"The
doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
--
Dizzy Dean explaining how he felt after being hit
on the
head by a ball in the 1934 World Series
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Subject: Re: Viking Portable
>i
thought i was the only one....i liked the concept of a portable beat...but
>to
compress...compile...cut and paste....man...it's
>like....anti-climactic...worked
in theory...not practice....
Yes,
Kristen, but I went back and read several in their entirety after
reading
the Charters...some good came out of it, methinks....
gc
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From: "John W. Hasbrouck"
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Subject: Re: Jack might-have-been.....
>At
9:27 AM 2/29/96, John W. Hasbrouck wrote:
>
>
>>Had
Jack missed this letter he would have gone to Detroit to see
>>Edie,
his first wife, instead of San Francisco to see Neal. Carolyn Cassady
>>wouldn't
have thrown Neal out of the house after being appalled with his
>>behavior
upon Jack's late night arrival around August 1. There would've
>>been
no subsequent limo ride from Sacramento to Chicago in 17 hours. Part
>>three
of "On the Road" would have been entirely different, thematically and
>>stylistically.
All this because Jack stuck around an extra couple hours and
>>got
his mail.
>
>Qute
fascinating, John....would J have written OTR at all had he missed
>that
letter?
>Would
it have been about a cross-country trip through half the country
>rather
than coast to coast? Would the Beats have become the Detroit School?
>hmmmmmmm....
>
Jack
had begun sketches for "On the Road" after his first road
coast-to-coast
trip in '47. This was before "The Town and the City" was
completed.
I think it's important to consider how Jack and Neal's
friendship
changed (developed? matured!?!) during the August '49 road trip
east.
Nicosia's comments about the 17-hour limo ride from Scaramento to
Chicago
(see "Memory Babe" p. 290) suggest that Jack's observations of
Neal's
wild behavior at this point in our saga, (first week of August '49),
now
that NC had burned a major bridge to Carolyn, were crucial to Jack's
later
development of "spontaneous bop prosody." We all know that. I just
think
it's interesting to see Nicosia pinpoint a point of Jack's
development
as a writer to a particular ride. A ride that could only have
taken
place because Jack picked up his mail on July 27th.
John W.
Hasbrouck
jhasbro@tezcat.com
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>:---------------------------------------------------------------------
>:>i thought i was the only one....i
liked the concept of a portable
beat...but
>:>to compress...compile...cut and
paste....man...it's
>:>like....anti-climactic...worked in
theory...not practice....
>:
>:Yes, Kristen, but I went back and read
several in their entirety after
>:reading the Charters...some good came
out of it, methinks....
>:
>:gc
I
agree! I can read a little, see what I like, then get more. Any anthology
is
going to be distorting and show some biases, especially in the
introduction
to each work, artist, or theme--as well as in the works
selected
and even which excerpts get used. If you really want the whole
picture,
read the works not the excerpts.
-L
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How
does Charters destroy the work of Burroughs and Baraka? I'll admit it's ha
rder to
anthologize a novel or a play than it is a poem, short story, or essay.
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From: "Gary M. Gillman"
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Subject: Viking Portable Beat Reader
I`ve
been surprised at the two or three negative posts sent in on the above
subject,
one of which even sounded angry. First, with due respect for
contrary
views, I don`t think anger is, or
should be, a beat emotion.
Second,
as an ardent, but non-specialist, reader of the Beats and allied
writers,
I found a lot of difficulty finding material by, say, Lew Welch, or
Frank
O`Hara, or Amiri Baraka, and accurate bio on them, until I came across
Ann
Charters` work. And who better than Ann (whom I don`t know, BTW) to do
this
service to a non-specialist readership, considering she is a pioneer of
Beat
scholarship, especially Kerouac, of course. Ironically, one of my
favourite
parts of the anthology is Baraka`s brilliant essay on (for once!)
Kerouac`s
innovations with spontaneous prose, published originally in Yugen,
I
believe. I`d never have discovered that, and a hundred other pieces of
great
writing, but for said anthology.
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Subject: Re: Viking Portable Beat Reader
I use
my Viking Portable Beat Reader to collect autographs. So far, my copy
has
been signed by Anne Charters, Ed Sanders, Lawrence Ferlinghetti,
Gregory
Corso, Michael McClure, Ken Kesey, Allen Ginsberg, Gary Snyder and
Anne
Waldman. I can't remember who else just now.
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From: Liz Prato <Lapislove@AOL.COM>
Subject: The Movie/Ken Burns
Wow!
Did you EVER grab my attention when you
said you'd snailed information
about
the potential movie to Ken Burns. Here's what I'd like to offer for the
project:
a film like this would require funding. I used to be a grant writer
for PBS
and obtained local funding for both "Baseball" and "The Civil
war,"
(and
yes, have met Ken because I planned a party for him once). I don't know
if it
would be necessary, but I'd be more than happy to contribute to the
potential
project by trying to secure funding for the film.
Just my
two-cents worth.
Liz
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Subject: Keep them cards and letters coming...
I
posted a message on 2/28/96 stating that one idea I decided to try to get
things
going on something to commemorate the "Six Poets at the Six Gallery"
reading
was to gather up several recent postings from the list (especially
regarding
some of the resources that would be available for the project),
with a
cover letter about the reading, and "snail mail" it to the filmmaker
Ken
Burns.
That
task was completed this morning.
When I
read a followup posting by Liz Prato about her grant writing, I
started
wondering if others out there might have something else to post
regarding
a "compelling reason" to do the project, or a special skill,
talent,
or resource (such as what Liz Prato offered) that would be of benefit
to Mr
Burns should he consider such a project.
If
additional postings come in over the next few days I will again "snail
mail"
them to Mr Burns to encourage his possible interest in this project.
I
should make clear that, unlike Liz Prato, I have never met Mr Burns, and
just
thought of his name because he does live just "down the road heah' in
New
Hampsha'..." (in a small town
about 40 miles south of me) and wondered
if he
would consider such a project.
I can
contribute my ability to still find and use a US Postal Service
mailbox........
Ben
Moore
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From: Brynjar Agnarsson <brynjar@EASYNET.CO.UK>
Subject: Gallery Six
I'll
help out if needed witthat project.
I've
completed workshops on most aspects of 16mm film production incl.
scriptwriting,
directing,DOP, sound etc., and as a film student also have a
background
in theories+history of film along with more on scripts. I write
more
than scripts and have had some poems published in journals and am
completing
my first attempt at a novel. I'm also a member of some ind. film
co-operatives,
IFW,London filmmakers co-op and Panico in England.
So I'd
me more than glad to help out in any way if you need someone to stir
the
sugar in the coffee.
Brynjar
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You
raise a very valid point - i.e. the dominance that Ann Charters along
with
the Sampras family has exerted in rewriting Beat history into their own
warped
vision!!
>So
much praise for a book (the Viking Portable Beat) that in many
>important
ways completely misrepresents and mis-glorifies the Beats.
>This
book especially nearly destroys the work of Burroughs and of
>Baraka.
This destruction is created by the fine critical eye of dear
>sweet
anne.
>
>
>
Douglas
M Dusseau
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From: Perry Lindstrom <LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>
Subject: Six Gallery
Maybe
the Six Gallery piece should be something that the list takes on -- at
least
the basic outline and research. One of
the more interesting aspects of
this
medium is the speed by which information can travel and an idea can gel.
We should develop an outline online (or an
online outline) and then break up
the
research among various list inhabitants.
We could then turn the writing
over to
one person who could post various ideas for comments. My proposal
for a
title would be: "From Bridge to
Bridge." After the reading Rexroth
said
Ginsberg would be famous from bridge to bridge -- any other titles
floating
around out there?
Perry