beat list december 1995

intellectual stiffness is not something I appreciate. (Neither would the

authors you study, I'm afraid.) For what it's worth, political humor,

combined with the study of the Beat Generation/authors, is a perfect

combination. When we talk of rebellion and angst, we're not just talking

about adolescent males screaming at America and railing against Time

magazine. We're talking about humor, and the freedom to mock our leaders.

What makes the Beat authors so great is the fact that they can combine this

angst I speak of with a their keen senses of humor. I'm sorry you don't

agree."

>This is a list devoted to discussion of Beat authors. Please refrain from post

>ing messages outside this topic.

Laurie

*****Email me if you need my address in London. I'm leaving on the 20th of

January.******

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:51:57 GMT

Reply-To: Dan_Barth@RedwoodFN.org

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From: Dan Barth <Dan_Barth@REDWOODFN.ORG>

Organization: Redwood Free-Net

Subject: muddled thinking

In the thread "Lineage, Gen X" someone posted the following:

"I really think that a discussion of GenX is germane to any discussion

of the Beats. The intellectual history of the Postmodern is

inextricably tied up in the value system of the revolution of the

sixties. The MTV mentality is the absurd reduction of the anti-intellectual,

anti-university impetus of beats like Snyder, who while he remains

one of my heroes, was hard on formal education even though he is

extremely learned. Some hypocrisy here, I think.

Autodidacticism easily gives way to adidacticism. And I am reminded of the

Beatle's anti-capitalist songs written while their CEO hauled their

money to bank in trucks. I am a hippie-turned-professor. My

Snyder-reading, reefer-smoking days, delayed my education by ten

years. I teach thedrug-torpid, addled know-nothings which the children of

generation have become. I'm sure this is not what Gary and Jack and

Allen had in mind, but they helped make it his way. Jack said as

much before he died."

I agree with the first two sentences. After that I take issue. Can you be

specific on Snyder's "anti-intellectual, anti-university impetus?" He has

always seemed pretty scholarly to me. He studied at Reed Colege, Indiana

University and U.C. Berkeley, and now teaches at U.C Davis. But I think what

the Beats were and are against is academic speak such as "autodidacticism

easily gives way to adidacticism." Whom are you speaking to and for when you

say things like that?

You say Snyder remains one of your heroes but your "Snyder-reading,

reefer-smoking days" delayed your education. Isn't it all a continuum? Don't

you think insights gained from Snyder, and reefer, could have led to your

later studies? And then who are these "drug-torpid, addled know-nothings?" Do

you really see your students that way? I think you have more to say by way

of explanation. What you have said so far seems muddled to me.

Best,

Dan B.

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:13:56 -0500

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From: Katerie Prior <kadaca@UMICH.EDU>

Subject: Re: Lost Generation

In-Reply-To: Your message <951215.143752.EST.PRM95003@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> of

Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:24:24 EST

On Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:24:24 EST, Peter McGahey

<PRM95003@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> wrote;

Please excuse my late response as I am in the end of semester upheaval.

A few days (weeks?) back someone mentioned the Beats and any connection

the Lost Generation. I just so happened to be reading the book reviews

Dorothy Parker (Lost generation wit and poet) wrote for _Esquire_

in the late 1950's. In her review of JK's _Subterraneans_ she says:

"the 'how' of the Beat Boys and Girls is of an appalling monotony.

Nights

and days flow into one. They go swoon to that music, they get

themselves

stoned on beer (which I believe is a possibility in one's tender

yeras),

they fight and forget it, they are forever piling into rickety cars and

driving

furiously to the far-away house of some unexpecting friend, where they

establish themselves for days. These practices, I admit, were not

unknown

on occasion to membersof that Lost Generation you may have heard about,

but

such was not their entire way of life; there are among the Lost

Generation

those who made fairly important contributions to their times. The Beat

Ones never have to be anywhere , never want to go anywhere except just

some other place"

Now, some can claim that Scott Fitzgerald has a better claim to be the

voice of the Lost Generation, but Dorothy was as alcoholic and srewed

up as the best of them (except she lived a lot longer). So I guess her

claim

here is that since the Beats made this a way of life and the Lost

Generation

didn't , they aren't the same.

What do you think?

In the film "Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle," the last monologue in

the film is DP talking about Jack and the Beats. She tells a couple of

reporters pretty much the same thing. Granted I've never read anything

by Mrs. Parker except for her poetry, but I think she distincted the

Lost Generation from the Beat Generation as level of values. The Beats

were predominately working class people whereas, DP and gang hung out in

New York hotels, tossing back martinis at speakeasys, and having dinner

at the Round Table in the Algonquin room with tuxedoed waiters. The

closest Beat I think that could muster this much ambiance is Burroughs.

The rest seem to be rebelling againist this system of just sitting and

talking. Her final criticism, that "The Beat Ones never have to be

anywhere , never want to go anywhere except just to some other place,"

is one againist life. As everyone's discussed before, the Beats were

merely out to LIVE. Parker just grew into an old and bitter lady.

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 16:38:29 -0500

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Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From: "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@AOL.COM>

Subject: Speaking of viruses . . .

Slightly off-topic, but compelling, nonetheless.

--------------------forwarded message-------------------

Subj: experiment (fwd)

Date: Fri, Dec 15, 1995 7:19 PM EST

From: atkinson@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu

X-From: atkinson@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu (Chuck Atkinson)

To: spedtalk@virginia.edu

As spedtalkers I thought you would be enthusiastic about helping this budding

scientist with his experiment.

>X-POP3-Rcpt: atkinson@woodnet

>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:32:56 -0800

>X-Sender: pogreba@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu

>Mime-Version: 1.0

>To: lblack@cc.wwu.edu, atkinson@cc.wwu.edu, bkeiper@cc.wwu.edu,

> henniger@cc.wwu.edu

>From: Susan Pogreba-Lee <pogreba@woodnet.wce.wwu.edu>

>Subject: experiment (fwd)

>I don't know but as educators you may find this experiment interesting.

>Ignore most of the stuff and scroll down to the last part of the e-mail.

>This is really quite amazing!!!

>spl

>>X-POP3-Rcpt: pogreba@woodnet

>>Return-Path: kenn@wce.wwu.edu

>>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 15:43:52 -0800 (PST)

>>From: Kenn Herman <kenn@wce.wwu.edu>

>>To: Bill Clinton <president@whitehouse.gov>,

>> Al Gore <vice-president@whitehouse.gov>,

>> Newt Gingrich <georgia6@hr.house.gov>

>>Subject: experiment (fwd)

>>i thought that the three most 'powerful' men in america should have

>>'contact' with this high school student's experiment. it brings tangible

>>concepts a little closer to home.

>>read on to find out...

>>kenn

>>---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>Date: 15 Dec 1995 10:15:26 -0800

>>From: Herman, Heidi <hermhx1@macgwx.ghc.org>

>>To: ATSUI@vax.clarku.edu, Barbara Eickhoff <eickhoff@u.washington.edu>,

>> "Blackwell, Justin" <blackwell.j@ghc.org>, boombooom@aol.com,

>> Brenda Bourns <bbourns@fred.fhcrc.org>,

>> Brian Black <a-brianb@microsoft.com>, cait <kmacinne@is.dal.ca>,

>> ceejay <ceejay@netcom.com>, cera <cera@helen.bush.edu>,

>> "Chapman, Janice" <chapman@mpe11.ghc.org>, CHECKERS@u.washington.edu,

>> Chris Park <box@cnw.com>, dao-liang chou <v-acdch@microsoft.com>,

>> eloise <DARTNSHC.NSHP.EIGRAVES@GOV.NS.CA>,

>> "heidi b." <hbroders@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>,

>> "Heileson, Thomas" <heilts1@mpe11.ghc.org>,

>> jesaka <kisses@u.washington.edu>,

>> "Jordan, Erlande" <jordan@mpe11.ghc.org>,

>> ken of the ONE 'n' <kwombacher@banyan.inacom.com>,

>> "kenn (personal)" <kenn@wce.wwu.edu>, "linda w." <howked@iea.com>,

>> loredana <madamex@teleport.com>,

>> "Moontree, Elizabeth" <moontree@mpe11.ghc.org>, MuddlyMud@aol.com,

>> paul <ptindale@essa.com>, Rae & Teri <kaupe@netcom.com>,

>> "Salazar, Anthony" <salazar@mpe11.ghc.org>, stacey

<SShul90936@aol.com>,

>> terri <tereska@aol.com>, cloyfx1@macgwx.ghc.org,

greerl2@macgwx.ghc.org,

>> knutkx2@macgwx.ghc.org, needhx1@macgwx.ghc.org,

>> orozco#m#_dan@macgwx.ghc.org, purdmr1@macgwx.ghc.org,

>> ruffgs1@macgwx.ghc.org, sullsx2@macgwx.ghc.org

>>Subject: experiment (fwd)

>>bear with all the b.s. at the beginning....just scroll through and read

ppl's

>>comments if you wish, but get to the msg. that's at the bottom to

understand

>>what 'all this' is about...

>>__________________________________________________________________________

>>_____

>>From: tinsky on Fri, Dec 15, 1995 09:56

>>Subject: (Fwd) FW: Forward (fwd)...experiment (fwd)

>>To: Herman, Heidi; JaniceH570@aol.com; Mark Ezovski (ART); Nevin Mercede

>>(ART); James Tinsky; Andrew Maz; singingd@ix.netcom.com; ChileJack@aol.com;

>>Greg Madison (ART)

>>a brilliant experiment...get to the end to read the experiment

>>---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:32:14 -0500 (EST)

>>From: HHIERONYMUS@WELLESLEY.EDU

>>To: DYKENET-L

>>Subject: (Fwd) FW: Forward (fwd)...experiment

>>From: Catherine Wende <cwende@post.cis.smu.edu>

>>Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) FW: Forward (fwd)

>>To: POLITIDYKES

>>Precedence: bulk

>>Read through this...it took me a while to hit the impact...be sure to

>>read to the end even though it gets long there is a point!

>>Catherine

>>---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:52:27 CST

>>From: Carol Luedders <CLUEDDERS@SCS.ADMIN.IASTATE.EDU>

>>To: Multiple recipients of list LGBPSYCH <LGBPSYCH@VM1.MCGILL.CA>

>>Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) FW: Forward

>>Please go through to the end. This is a High School student's very

>>interesting and sobering way of proving a point.

>>(Now if only those "you too could make $100,000 in three months

>> if you sent two dollars to each person on this mailing list" things worked

>>this

>> well).

>>Carol

>>------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

>>From: "Jeanne Burkhart"

>>Organization: ISU Student Counseling Service

>>To: #SCS/COUNSELORS

>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:30:31 CST

>>Subject: (Fwd) FW: Forward

>>Please go through to the end.

>>------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

>>From: "Cychosz, Chuck" <ccychos@iastate.edu>

>>To: "Safaeinili, Lisa" <lisasaf@dops.adp.iastate.edu>,

>> "Dr. Dalen Duitsman" <dalen@iastate.edu>,

>> "'Frank Schabel'" <fschabel@iastate.edu>,

>> "'Jeanne Burkhart'" <jburkhart@scs.admin.iastate.edu>,

>> Martha Norton <MNORTON@scs.admin.iastate.edu>,

>> Susan Young <syoung@iastate.edu>

>>Subject: FW: Forward

>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:25:00 CST

>> ----------

>>From: Robinson, Patricia

>>To: Cychosz, Chuck

>>Subject: FW: Forward

>>Date: Tuesday, December 12, 1995 10:00AM

>>Read all the way to the bottom--an interesting way of proving a point!

>> ----------

>>From: Uhlenhake, Bev

>>To: Bessette, Jeanine; Rice, Dan; Whalen, Don; Kasi, Balsy; Andrew, Joelle;

>>Simpson, Jackie; Spahn, Joan; Bolluyt, Kat; JohnsonWilloughby, Kay-lynne;

>>Korte, Mary; Ellis-Besancon, Kerry; Tandia, Mary; Englin, Pete; Robinson,

>>Patricia; Johnson, Ruth; Deters, Sally; Akey, Torin; Smith, Victor; Arthur,

>>Virginia; Gruenewald, Doug; 'phil maggard'; udasenate

>>Subject: FW: Forward

>>Date: Tuesday, December 12, 1995 9:33AM

>>sorry the computer gibberish is so long... please read.

>> ----------

>>From: Marva K Ruther

>>To: afenton; mtgallet; x1rankin; dlburri; lsusie; joce; carwes; bevu;

>>aryder; tcolen; kearnest; georjean; mapurdy; sschweit; msutton; tamscheu

>>Subject: Forward

>>Date: Tuesday, December 12, 1995 9:10AM

>>The following was forwarded to me with a request to forward it on. Please

>>read through the computer stuff and read the end message.

>> ------- Forwarded Message

>>To: joppedal@iastate.edu, aschultz@iastate.edu, sweety@iastate.edu,

>> coolman@iastate.edu, mruther@iastate.edu,

>>SCHULTES@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU, SKAARJ@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU, ljass@iastate.edu

>>Subject: aids

>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:05:15 CST

>>From: Heidi L Weiland <hweiland@iastate.edu>

>> ------- Forwarded Message

>>To: BARNETT@AC.GRIN.EDU, hweiland@iastate.edu, OLIVES2924@uni.edu,

>> jacobson@mmc.mtmercy.edu, bsuck@iastate.edu, tmace@iastate.edu,

>> drumisu@iastate.edu, cgates@iastate.edu, dlynne@iastate.edu,

>> cadypack@IMAP2.ASU.EDU, VANPATTEB@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU,

>> jjl11@cornell.edu, kermitj@iastate.edu, sbodeen@iastate.edu

>>Subject: n

>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:19:09 CST

>>From: Jamie D Redman <jredman@iastate.edu>

>> ------- Forwarded Message

>>Resent-from: "Holtan, Jason O" <HOLTANJ@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU>

>>Resent-to: PFanous@iastate.edu, HoltanA@MSOE.EDU,

>> Holtan@sendit.sendit.NODAK.edu, Kirkpatr@email.cc.purdue.edu,

>> TMenzel@iastate.edu, KMiller@iastate.edu,

>>Barrett_Randall@Baylor.edu,

>> JRedman@iastate.edu, ahreis@students.wisc.edu (Anne Reis),

>> DSqui279@aol.com, BaileyJ@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU,

>> "SAL311/DURRS"@insosf1.netins.net,

>>"THOR/EICKHOFFA"@insosf1.netins.net,

>> ellisj@thor.waldorf.edu

>>Resent-date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:33:54 -0600

>>Sender: rleighb@pop

>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:18:48 -0500

>>To: harri_ma@students.uwlax.edu, bad@maclaw.law.cuny.edu, jolly@stolaf.edu,

>> rebecca-chacko@uiowa.edu, CDark@comp.UArk.edu,

>>df0012@acad.drake.edu,

>> schafer@stolaf.edu, bennettj@central.edu,

>>holtanj@SAL311.WALDORF.EDU,

>> scraig@iastate.edu, cgelina@iastate.edu, skaurs@iastate.edu,

>> jlathrop@iastate.edu, harri_ma@students.uwlax.edu,

jolly@stolaf.edu,

>> kplace@iastate.edu, rebecca-chacko@uiowa.edu

>>From: rleighb@iastate.edu

>>Subject: not that i want all of you to have this, but have fun infecting

>>people ;)

>>hey, hope all who have finals are studying like the wind, and all those yet

>>to suffer start building pain resistance now. please follow this forward,

>>it proves a very scary, but true point in a nonfatal way. maybe we can all

>>learn from it. so please pass it on and don't delete!

>>love ya lots, robyn

>>>Sender: tkoopman@pop-3.iastate.edu

>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:51:19 -0600

>>>To: jdt@iastate.edu, mfalk@iastate.edu, rgonsior@iastate.edu,

>>bhogendo@iastate.edu, dkiefer@iastate.edu, mmoss@iastate.edu,

>>htakade@iastate.edu, debbie@iastate.edu, ebilotta@iastate.edu,

>>cbatey@iastate.edu, miranda@iastate.edu, jacobmcc@iastate.edu, k

>>>From: tkoopman@iastate.edu

>>>Subject: not that i want all of you to have this, but have fun infecting

>>people ;)

>>>

>>>>From: JS0103@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU

>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:55:06 -0500 (CDT)

>>>>Subject: not that i want all of you to have this, but have fun infecting

>>people ;)

>>>>To: pb0027@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, tkoopman@iastate.edu, dvampire@iastate.edu,

>>richlieu@iastate.edu, javelin@iastate.edu

>>>>Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:03:53 CDT

>>>>From: "N.I. Johnson" <NIJ001%ACAD@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

>>>>Subject: this was sent to me...

>>>>

>>>>From: IN%"JLT009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU" 9-DEC-1995 21:38:58.91

>>>>To: IN%"tab002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU", IN%"bab028@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",

>>IN%"efh002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU", IN%"jrb006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",

>>IN%"blf001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU", IN%"btk003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",

>>IN%"cdb005@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU", IN%"klb026@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU",

>>IN%"cjw008@ACAD.DRAKE.

>>>>CC:

>>>>Subj: AIDS project

>>>>

>>>>Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 21:38:31 -0500 (CDT)

>>>>From: JLT009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU

>>>>Subject: AIDS project

>>>>To: tab002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, bab028@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, efh002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> jrb006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, blf001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, btk003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> cdb005@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, klb026@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, cjw008@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> mjh030@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, kmb012@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, def003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> mma004@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, cmj005@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, ams026@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> arw003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, fam003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, mrd002@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> nij001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, jlt009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, jms047@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> nrj001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, alc011@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, dd0028@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> jg0044@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, ca0009@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, gsw001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> jmh037@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, jlh039@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, kes007@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU,

>>>> kce003@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, gh0010@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU

>>>>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:16:30 CDT

>>>>From: JWS006%ACAD@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU

>>>>Subject: aids forwarded

>>>>To: TLB013@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU

>>>>

>>>>From: IN%"lferris@indiana.edu" "laura elizabeth ferris" 7-DEC-1995

>>17:51:04.38

>>>>To: IN%"gollan@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu",

IN%"mgranado@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu",

>>IN%"JWS006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU", IN%"mariegeo@aol.com", IN%"jbpettit@indiana",

>>IN%"jmessmer@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu", IN%"jaimee@falcon.cc.ukans.edu",

>>IN%"n-kuhn@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu", IN

>>>>CC:

>>>>Subj: aids (fwd)

>>>>

>>>>Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 18:50:56 -0500 (EST)

>>>>From: laura elizabeth ferris <lferris@indiana.edu>

>>>>Subject: aids (fwd)

>>>>X-Sender: lferris@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu

>>>>To: gollan@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu, mgranado@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu,

>>>> JWS006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, mariegeo@aol.com, jbpettit@indiana,

>>>> jmessmer@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu, jaimee@falcon.cc.ukans.edu,

>>>> n-kuhn@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu, ann elizabeth mellish <u27541@uicvm.uic.edu>

>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:43:02 -0500 (EST)

>>>>From: jenna catherine murphy <jcmurphy@indiana.edu>

>>>>Cc: lferris@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu

>>>>Subject: aids (fwd)

>>>>

>>>>This is from one of my HS friends in Connecticut, so pass it to everyone

>>>>you know!

>>>>

>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 16:45:24 EWT

>>>>From: KEESLER <bekessle@mailbox.syr.edu>

>>>>To: jcmurphy@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu

>>>>Subject: aids

>>>>

>>>>For a class project, I was wondering if this could be passed on to prove

>>>>a point. In my human sex class, we learned that if someone has received

>>>>the HIV disease, and they don't know about it, they could pass it on to

>>>>people who they don't even know.

>>>> Could you all pretend that I have HIV, and I gave it to you.

>>>>Then could you pass it on to your friends? Let's see if the entire

>>>>e-mail population could get infected by me alone.

>>>> Please remember that this is a lab experiment. I have to say

>>>>that I am not intending to offend any one in any way.

>>>> By the way, don't erase this or the forwards from your computer.

>>>>

>>>> Thankyou

>>>>Young bradley

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:31:39 -0500

Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From: Bill Lawlor <wlawlor@UWSPMAIL.UWSP.EDU>

Subject: beat jokes beaten down

This is just to say

that I have read the jokes

that you posted on BEAT-L

and I have laughed at them

They were so cool

so sweet

yes

they were beat

too bad someone said

they didn't fit

in this ice box

on the internet

Bill (William) not WCW

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:07:29 +0800

Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From: Frank Stevenson <t22001@CC.NTNU.EDU.TW>

Subject: Forwarded mail....

Comments: To: derrida <derrida@cfrvm.cfr.usf.edu>

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:03:54 +0800 (CST)

From: Frank Stevenson <t22001@cc.ntnu.edu.tw>

To: phil-lit <phil-lit@tamvm1.tamu.edu>

Cc: fict-of-phil <fiction-of-philosophy@jefferson.village.virginia.edu>

politically correct xmas

saint klaus, nicklaus = niko-leos ("conqueror of the people") in greek

st. close (inner sanctum, instant sanka) = st. claws

plastered against sky on insect-antennaed rooftops across Am-ri-ka

pussy-footed fat honky in rubber boots descends smokeless chimneys

while tiny pink cocks poke forth timid heads from stocking tops

and high-voltage-pulsing green tree opens budding cones to infinity

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:31:20 -0500

Reply-To: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Sender: "BEAT-L: Beat Generation List" <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From: Scott Weintraub <scottw@WAM.UMD.EDU>

Subject: What to do in Lowell?

In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951219120715.10246F-100000@sun3>

My friends and I are going on a little road-trip over Christmas break.

Our main stop is going to be Lowell where we all wanted to check out

Kerouac's grave. I know a few of you have been to Lowell (The Kerouac

Convention, etc.) so could you tell me, exactly, where Jack's grave is

and are there any other Kerouac-related sites that we should see while

we're there?

*****************************************************************************

* Scott Weintraub - scottw@wam.umd.edu - College Park, Maryland *

*****************************************************************************

* "The bounties of space, of infinite outwardness, were three: empty *

* heroics, low comedy, and pointless death." -Kurt Vonnegut *

*****************************************************************************

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:53:52 +0800

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From: Frank Stevenson <t22001@CC.NTNU.EDU.TW>

Subject: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg spotted

Comments: cc: jesse fleming <fleming@mail.tku.edu.tw>

The "ONE WAY" to experience NYC, MAN: late (2-4 am) wandering around Times

Square--Greyound Bus Station area, taking in the mildly violent vibes and

talking to whichever black prostitutes want to talk (I did this during my

1 golden month back in the "land of the free" in august, by the way)

about how things have "gotten much more tense and violent" in this area

of nyc, late at night.....(but only talking, of course), and only THEN

hitting one of those amazing pulsating-with-energy late-nite bars where

men/women and black/white/jewish/whatever talk and laugh with wondrous

freedom and openness and the vibes are (after all) very good indeed.....

(as only then has one, in a sense, earned this pavlovian reward)....

fws

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:14:58 +0800

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From: Frank Stevenson <t22001@CC.NTNU.EDU.TW>

Subject: Re: Generational Cycles

In-Reply-To: <951126222753_34875820@emout05.mail.aol.com>

ok, thanks--esp. for clarification of the "x which marks the spot." fws

On Sun, 26 Nov 1995, Rita T. Friedman wrote:

> >>ok, i see...if the front end of boomers was (being born in) '45 or so,

> when was the back end? (also, what does the "x" in "generation x" mean?)

> fws, taipei

> >>

> the end of the "boomers" generation, as I understand it, is just like any of

> the parameters of "generation x." That is to say, no-one bothered to define

> it well. Boomers had hippies, so figure therefore anyone who had a child

> after the hippy-era isn't a boomer.

> Generation X is becoming an extinict term. I recently went to a debate

> entitled "generation X's Apathy Is Ruining America" where everyone there felt

> against that statement and it was cancelled. The X is supposed to signify

> the lack of identity, the non-committed to a cause, the un-whatevered-ness of

> it all.

> I thought that at one point there was an actual defining age of generation X,

> but it seems that people either adjust the borders to BE A PART OF It or to

> be TOTALLY EXCLUDED FROM IT.

> Anyway, the Coupland book was wonderful.

> ;-/

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:07:59 EST

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From: Bill Gargan <WXGBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Subject: sf chronical--thanks

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for help on the San Francisco Ch

ronicle articles on the Beats. Mission accomplished!

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:43:40 -0500

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From: Howard Park <Hpark4@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg spotted

One landmark of (rapidly changing) Times Square from the late fourties is the

Howard Johnsons (a disappearing breed) (around Broadway and 44th) where Edie

Parker met Jack and ate six hot dogs. Times Square still has a seedy,

slightly scarey, some might say "beat" feel but I find the East Villege and

Alphabet city a lot more interesting these days. I'd say that the ghosts

have migrated to, say, St. Marks Place at Ave. B. For the record, St. Marks

Place has also been kinda cleaned up from a few years ago, as has Tompkins

Square Park.

Howard Park

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:41:39 -0500

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From: Whatuv@AOL.COM

Subject: Re: Fwd: Virus ALERT !!!!!!!!!!!!...

Comments: To: Elder#m#_Bo@msgate.apple.com, bastein@imap2.asu.edu,

BoomShenka@aol.com, creeps@pipeline.com, jgold@instinet.com,

Ganyard#m#_Joye@msgate.apple.com

Comments: cc: cooling@students.BITNET, ZMDJ65A@prodigy.com

Ha!

an obvious attempt to bait me, well it won't work!

or, perhaps it already has....

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:21:36 -0500

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From: Perry Lindstrom <LindLitGrp@AOL.COM>

Subject: Christmas with Kerouac

Although I'm well into my reading of _On the Road_ I don't think it's the

right time for a long-winded serious analysis of the

postmodern/revolutionary/existentialist implications of this and other Beat

texts. Rather, I offer another approach -- partically in response to the

recent (and I guess absent) poster who bemoaned the self-seriousness of the

list. I offer it with no apologies to JK nor to anyone else but to say that

imitation is the highest form of flattery and that satire is the highest --

perhaps lowest -- form of imitation.

Christmas with Kerouac: On The Road to Bankruptcy

We rolled outa the Volvo all raggedy like and itchy from the

leather seats -- it was a real gone and sad Volvo, one of the

front heater seats was barely working and the speakers had a real

ethereal, far-away quality about them like two mad, gone monks

humming some wild surreal tune to one another on some mountain

road in some other time zone where people don't floss their teeth

or might not even brush. We ambled all melancholy and flatulent

from the Volvo to the entrance of the mall -- I swear it was the

wildest mall entrance I'd ever seen in all my days -- it had

automatic doors that opened and closed, opened and closed, opened

and closed and we jumped on and off the little rubber mat causing

the doors to open and close, open and close, open and close -- it

was wild, and incredible and somehow sad. When we finally got

into the mall and into the flow of all the crazed shoppers with

visions and decisions, higgilly-biggilly here, there, and

everywhere in some lunatic rush and binge like the pioneers in

their conasomethingorother wagons bursting forth upon the

continent, flowing out and about around and down, bouncing

banging, head-clanging, belly-wangling, caterwauling and

cavetching in some Holy arbitrary labyrinth of confusion,

congestion and general mayhem. Then I saw the wildest dudes I

have ever seen in my life -- in their large, EXTREMELY large

pants. I mean these pants were BIG. A family of Mexican grape

pickers could live in these pants -- and did. I said to myself

these big, wild pants are so American, so wild and free -- they

were big freedom pants billowing with mad free souls, sailing

pants filled with the wind of broken dreams or dreams that broke

wind in the wild, incredibly big-panted life. We followed the

dudes into the crowds of touristas clutching their pocket books

and children like great, fat, sweaty, bloated, bourgeois

shoppers, which of course they were. We were moving among them

like manic, abstract ghost crabs weaving wild and intricate

patterns across the faux marble floors. When suddenly we came

upon the most gone and wild and sad Santa I swear I had ever seen

before or since. His laugh was the most soulful and lugubrious

instrument of pain to have ever sprung itself on this mad vortex

of stars and circumstance I like to call life. I sat on his lap

-- tears streaming down my cheeks and he looked into my eyes and

said something so deep and real like -- son you're cutting off

the circulation to my legs -- that I cried even more. And then

suddenly we were off again caught up in the great flow of

humanity, the great ebb tide of human consumption and

constipation. We found ourselves inside a great store. A great,

wonderful American store that held all my futures -- all my

dreams in one great and good merchandizing extravaganza. I felt

like a homeward-looking angel: furtive and drunk with possibility

in this materialistic Mecca. Quite suddenly I looked up and saw

her -- she was dressed as an elf with curling little shoes and

belled toes and all -- I followed her like the mad-sad puppy-soul

that I am -- followed to her place of work -- a body piercing

parlor. She was half Mexican/ half Irish with one green eye, one

brown. She was a wild walking advertisement for body piercing:

pierced ears, pierced nose, pierced tongue, pierced navel,

pierced nipples, pierced pancreas, pierced cerebellum, pierced

soul -- I loved her immediate and deep. After three hours of

wild conversation over cappucino we had ourselves surgically

connected with one great body ring the size of a hula-hoop. We

moved like we were in a perpetual sack race -- life's great

perpetual sack race, hopping and sweating and stumbling and

giggling all over the place in a mad rush for the finish line of

love. And I loved her with all my soul -- ol' what's-her-name.

When we went our own ways I was hurt deeply -- I mean REALLY hurt

-- I awoke in an alien hospital bed several days later not

knowing who I was, or even what species I was -- that's how

alienated and beat I felt -- not knowing what species I was I

tried wearing the bed pan as a hat -- the used bed pan -- then I

could have kicked myself I was so wet and ridiculous lying in

that hospital bed like a crazy, gone, mad paramecium in somebody's

petri dish. Then I looked up in the moment of my greatest despair

and who should be there but that same gone Santa from before --

the same bearded Buddha soul that was my salvation and I called

out to him -- Hey bearded Buddha man! Hey great red mantra-man!

and he turned and I swear this is true -- he blew the greatest

sad and mournful riffs I have ever heard then or since from a sax

he had in his big red sack -- it was a sad sack sax and he blew

it to the max, and I heard him exclaim as he blew out o' sight --

Merry X-Mas to all and to all a gone night!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL

Perry M. Lindstrom

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:46:34 -0800

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Christmas with Kerouac

>We rolled outa the Volvo all raggedy like and itchy from the

>leather seats -- it was a real gone and sad Volvo, one of the

>front heater seats was barely working and the speakers had a real

>ethereal, far-away quality about them like two mad, gone monks

>humming some wild surreal tune to one another on some mountain

>road in some other time zone where people don't floss their teeth

>or might not even brush. We ambled all melancholy and flatulent

>from the Volvo to the entrance of the mall -- I swear it was the

>wildest mall entrance I'd ever seen in all my days -- it had

>automatic doors that opened and closed, opened and closed, opened

>and closed and we jumped on and off the little rubber mat causing

>the doors to open and close, open and close, open and close -- it

>was wild, and incredible and somehow sad. When we finally got

>into the mall and into the flow of all the crazed shoppers with

>visions and decisions, higgilly-biggilly here, there, and

>everywhere in some lunatic rush and binge like the pioneers in

>their conasomethingorother wagons bursting forth upon the

>continent, flowing out and about around and down, bouncing

>banging, head-clanging, belly-wangling, caterwauling and

>cavetching in some Holy arbitrary labyrinth of confusion,

>congestion and general mayhem. Then I saw the wildest dudes I

>have ever seen in my life -- in their large, EXTREMELY large

>pants. I mean these pants were BIG. A family of Mexican grape

>pickers could live in these pants -- and did. I said to myself

>these big, wild pants are so American, so wild and free -- they

>were big freedom pants billowing with mad free souls, sailing

>pants filled with the wind of broken dreams or dreams that broke

>wind in the wild, incredibly big-panted life. We followed the

>dudes into the crowds of touristas clutching their pocket books

>and children like great, fat, sweaty, bloated, bourgeois

>shoppers, which of course they were. We were moving among them

>like manic, abstract ghost crabs weaving wild and intricate

>patterns across the faux marble floors. When suddenly we came

>upon the most gone and wild and sad Santa I swear I had ever seen

>before or since. His laugh was the most soulful and lugubrious

>instrument of pain to have ever sprung itself on this mad vortex

>of stars and circumstance I like to call life. I sat on his lap

>-- tears streaming down my cheeks and he looked into my eyes and

>said something so deep and real like -- son you're cutting off

>the circulation to my legs -- that I cried even more. And then

>suddenly we were off again caught up in the great flow of

>humanity, the great ebb tide of human consumption and

>constipation. We found ourselves inside a great store. A great,

>wonderful American store that held all my futures -- all my

>dreams in one great and good merchandizing extravaganza. I felt

>like a homeward-looking angel: furtive and drunk with possibility

>in this materialistic Mecca. Quite suddenly I looked up and saw

>her -- she was dressed as an elf with curling little shoes and

>belled toes and all -- I followed her like the mad-sad puppy-soul

>that I am -- followed to her place of work -- a body piercing

>parlor. She was half Mexican/ half Irish with one green eye, one

>brown. She was a wild walking advertisement for body piercing:

>pierced ears, pierced nose, pierced tongue, pierced navel,

>pierced nipples, pierced pancreas, pierced cerebellum, pierced

>soul -- I loved her immediate and deep. After three hours of

>wild conversation over cappucino we had ourselves surgically

>connected with one great body ring the size of a hula-hoop. We

>moved like we were in a perpetual sack race -- life's great

>perpetual sack race, hopping and sweating and stumbling and

>giggling all over the place in a mad rush for the finish line of

>love. And I loved her with all my soul -- ol' what's-her-name.

>When we went our own ways I was hurt deeply -- I mean REALLY hurt

>-- I awoke in an alien hospital bed several days later not

>knowing who I was, or even what species I was -- that's how

>alienated and beat I felt -- not knowing what species I was I

>tried wearing the bed pan as a hat -- the used bed pan -- then I

>could have kicked myself I was so wet and ridiculous lying in

>that hospital bed like a crazy, gone, mad paramecium in somebody's

>petri dish. Then I looked up in the moment of my greatest despair

>and who should be there but that same gone Santa from before --

>the same bearded Buddha soul that was my salvation and I called

>out to him -- Hey bearded Buddha man! Hey great red mantra-man!

>and he turned and I swear this is true -- he blew the greatest

>sad and mournful riffs I have ever heard then or since from a sax

>he had in his big red sack -- it was a sad sack sax and he blew

>it to the max, and I heard him exclaim as he blew out o' sight --

>Merry X-Mas to all and to all a gone night!

>HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL

>Perry M. Lindstrom

That's so funny because the same thing happened to me yesterday.

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:00:25 -0500

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Re: Christmas with Kerouac

Comments: To: "BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET" <BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu>

>HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL

>Perry M. Lindstrom

Sorry not to be ABLE to ask this personally, but I have a journal

that I keep on my internet coffeehouse that amuses people with

good conversation once in a while. Would it be acceptable to

use this? It's small and only read by a few hundred every day,

so the traffic isn't quite the internet-ted capacity of, oh, say Yahoo.

Mail me personally so that I don't get marked for off-posting.

Thanks, Critter

[Chris.Ritter@DaytonOH.ATTGIS.COM]

ps.

Corduroy's Coffeehouse <http://metro.turnpike.net/C/Critter/index.html>

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:59:50 -0500

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From: "Christopher C. Hayes" <risny@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject: Beats&Xers

Recently Frank Stevenson wrote:

"The X is supposed to signify the lack of identity, the non-commited to a

cause, the un-whatevered-ness of it all."

The intersection of the Beats with generation X is an interesting one.

Both sub-generations were demographically challenged -- I was born in 73,

which I believe had one of the lowest birth rates in this century. Each

group has of course experienced it's own type of socialization, thus one

must be careful with the creation of analogizes. With that warning said

and heeded, I feel comfortable in saying that each groups lack of influence

-- during their own time most of the beats were ridiculed by the power

elite -- steams from there lack of size.

The Beats used the boomer generation as a sounding board to vent there

frustration over their society. The Hippies took some of the beats ideas,

mostly the bacchanal, and put them into a mass culture. When the Hippies'

generation did make news, wether it be though demonstrations or getting

jobs in the media, they carried their own audience, in fact the

constituted their own audience. Thus the idea of the beats, presented by

the powerless beats, got little attention; but, when the larger

sub-generation that followed the beats, expressed beat ideas, they got

attention.

I feel as though the beats realized that their influence on society, in

there own time, was going to be small. Woody Allen and others comics, as

well as other media, of the time did poke fun at them in forums like the

SId Ceaser show. It was is ridicule, for lack of a better word, that

reinforced the feelings of alienation which was an engine for their work.

Generation X, which is also wedged in between two large generations, one

of which happens to be the Hippies again, also has these feelings of

powerlessness. Will us Xers be able to use those feelings of alienation to

create, as the beats did, or will we buy the apathetic label? The worst

possible out come would be Xers recreating, as the Hippies did, the Beat

generation. That is not to say that I can't enjoy what the beats have

given us, I just would like to get beyond them.

Damien Zillas

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:43:41 -0500

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From: Tsaelinah <serajani@UNIXG.UBC.CA>

Subject: Re: Christmas with Kerouac

In-Reply-To: <951219202135_94841096@emout04.mail.aol.com>

On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Perry Lindstrom wrote:

Might i just say one word....

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Argh, that was great. Happy xmas to you too. =)

Tsaelinah

(in a jar)

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:33:41 +0800

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From: Frank Stevenson <t22001@CC.NTNU.EDU.TW>

Subject: Re: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg spotted

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list BEAT-L <BEAT-L@CUNYVM.cc.ntnu.edu.tw>

In-Reply-To: <951219154339_94607954@emout06.mail.aol.com>

Of course, any of us would more likely associate Greenwich or East

Village or generally lower Manhattan with the beats--though K and G were

also at Columbia, and G talks about his Blake "vision" in a Harlem apt.

in 1949 or so--rather than Times Square, that haven of seediness, cheap

commercialization, prostitutes and TOURISTOS. I just was thinking that for

this very reason it also catches something of G's "Molloch" and his self-

parodic mode in "Howl." fws

On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Howard Park wrote:

> One landmark of (rapidly changing) Times Square from the late fourties is the

> Howard Johnsons (a disappearing breed) (around Broadway and 44th) where Edie

> Parker met Jack and ate six hot dogs. Times Square still has a seedy,

> slightly scarey, some might say "beat" feel but I find the East Villege and

> Alphabet city a lot more interesting these days. I'd say that the ghosts

> have migrated to, say, St. Marks Place at Ave. B. For the record, St. Marks

> Place has also been kinda cleaned up from a few years ago, as has Tompkins

> Square Park.

> Howard Park

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:15:56 -0500

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From: "Ritter, Chris D" <rittec@UH2297P01.DAYTONOH.ATTGIS.COM>

Subject: Re: ghosts of kerouac and ginsberg spotted

Comments: To: "BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET" <BEAT-L%CUNYVM.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu>

>The "ONE WAY" to experience NYC, MAN: late (2-4 am) wandering around Times

>Square--Greyound Bus Station area, taking in the mildly violent vibes and

>talking to whichever black prostitutes want to talk (I did this during my

>1 golden month back in the "land of the free" in august, by the way)

>about how things have "gotten much more tense and violent" in this area

>of nyc, late at night.....(but only talking, of course), and only THEN

>hitting one of those amazing pulsating-with-energy late-nite bars where

>men/women and black/white/jewish/whatever talk and laugh with wondrous

>freedom and openness and the vibes are (after all) very good indeed.....

>(as only then has one, in a sense, earned this pavlovian reward)....

> fws

Was it simply me or did this seem amazingly poetic? With a little reworking

on the format I'd say you've got a hard poem here..

..Critter

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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 18:43:56 -0500

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From: ccook <ccook@TIAC.NET>

Subject: Hello?

I've not recieved anything from this list in weeks and am wondering if I

somehow got unsubscribed......Sorry if this is unnecesary clutter in

anyone's mailbox.

Chuck C

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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 16:22:02 -0800

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From: "Timothy K. Gallaher" <gallaher@HSC.USC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Hello?

>I've not recieved anything from this list in weeks and am wondering if I

>somehow got unsubscribed......Sorry if this is unnecesary clutter in

>anyone's mailbox.

>Chuck C

It has been low volume. The same thought crossed my mind.

If you get this, you are not unsubscribed.

I appreciate the low volume in a way.

Here is a note. I put up two new sounds of kerouac reading a while ago. I

don't think i announced this here. The new sounds are Kerouac singing and

kerouac reading from Neal and the Three Stooges. They are .au files

http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~gallaher/k_speaks/kerouacspeaks.html

And

Anyone see the Jack Kerouac CD Romnibus in stores???? I haven't.

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:44:59 -0500

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From: Mitchell Smith <Kerolist@AOL.COM>

Subject: ???

Anybody there? Has the list died? Email me directly.

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 07:58:57 -0500

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From: Arno Selhorst <uzs405@IBM.RHRZ.UNI-BONN.DE>

Subject: Re: ???

At 00:44 29.12.1995 -0500, you wrote:

>Anybody there? Has the list died? Email me directly.

Hi,

I don=B4t think the list died, it=B4s just that everyone is either on=

vacation

over the year or visiting friends and family.

BTW, Timothy, I downloaded some of your Kerouac files. Thx a lot for putting

up the URL for us here on the list!=20

A happy new year to all of you...

Arno Selhorst, Germany, Bonn

KaeseKaeseundnochmalKaese!!! =3D)

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 08:11:37 -0500

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From: Gene Simakowicz <Genebard@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: ???

Actually...

we're alive and well and spending time in reading and contemplation..

I'ts Xmas break; who feels like getting into a discourse? I'd rather drink

beer and rent a good flick for now.

Peace,love, and Bobby Sherman,

Gene

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:30:20 -0500

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From: Dixie Parsons <Pugsinc@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: ???

I've just subscribed to this list, but I've gotten all of this mail, so it

must be active... be talking to you all later.

Mic

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From: "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: ???

Only mail I'm getting are the queries about the list; did get some pieces

about a week ago. Assumed everyone was doing holiday things as the traffic

dropped off abruptly right around Xmas.

I think the heavy volume in the past month, very spirited discussions, etc.

may make the current hiatus seem more bizarre than might otherwise be the

case.

Luther Jett

P.S. Happy New Year to all!

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Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 07:59:47 -0500

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From: Debra Keith <SEDHIRA@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Hello?

Kerouac Romnibus is available from Water Row Books for $49.95.

E-mail Waterrow@AOL.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 12:51:10 -0500

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From: Bill Lawlor <wlawlor@UWSPMAIL.UWSP.EDU>

Subject: beat jokes beaten down

I have heard about and read a little about the current exhibit at the

Whitney Museum in New York. Has this exhibit been discussed by fellows

on the net? What is of particular interest? What special performances

have been included, who has seen them, and what reports can be given?

I've ordered the catalog from the museum and have a standing order for

the CD-ROM. I hope that I have made the right choice in getting these

items. I would like to fly into New York and see the actual exhibit, but

time and $ weigh on my mind and wallet, making me choose the lest costly,

more ordinary alternatives.

So let me know. Who has seen the show? Whither goest thou, Whitney, in thy

shiny black car in the night?

Bill of the North Woods

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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:16:56 -0500

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From: "W. Luther Jett" <MagenDror@AOL.COM>

Subject: Birth of the Beat Generation

Today's Washington Post carries a very favourable review of a new book, "The

Birth of the Beat Generation: Visionaries, Rebels, and Hipsters 1844-1960",

by Steven Watson (Pantheon). I quote, in part, from the review:

"An elegant coffee-table book, 'The Birth of the Beat Generation' juxtaposes

arresting, seldom-seen photographs with a lively, engaging, bare-bones

narrative. It also juxtaposes maps both geographic and interrelational with

assorted marginalia: quips, booklists and beat argot. . . . Not since

Lawrence Lipson's 'Holy Barbarians' of 1959 has there been a book of the Beat

experience whole, even though various biographies have in varying degree

mined the details. . . . Oddly, what is wanting, a true assessment, does not

diminish this book's achievement . . . ."

So, has anyone seen the book? How accurate is the reviewer's assessment?

Luther Jett